On American Women

[Rounder]

The perception of Wealth/Power/Status.

Another thing. An AFC is a LOT less likely to act like a pu$$y when he is in the presence of a feminine woman.

I agree with both of these. I was curious what would be said in regards to these questions, particulary your thoughts STR8UP.

Wealth/power/status was where I was headed with the stereotype being sought by foreign women - and what do foreign women think of American men. I think the reality (now) is quite different than whatever beliefs they hold.

Funny how when a woman acts like a woman that men suddenly feel bad@$$ and how natural it is for a man to fall in to the role he should be in anyway. Which in turn eases tension and makes everything easier.

This is a very interesting thread. I realize more and more how disgusting it is the way American men have been brainwashed with media bullsh!t. Getting rid of that (for me) isn't easy and doesn't happen overnight.

 

[STR8UP]

Just thought of something.

The point that guru brought up and that Aenigma countered about the "first born" thing.

One of my "plates" is actually first born 100% Lebanese. She even speaks Arabic.

On one hand she has a super high ASD, expresses guilt for having sex with me, claims to be able to count the number of sexual partners she had on one hand, etc.

On the other hand, she's not much different that most other American chicks. Actually worse. She's just not feminine enough.

I have a feeling if she was born and raised in the "old country" she would be a completely different chick. Maybe even worth more than a couple of drinks and a fukk whenever she's back in town.....

What RT's post reminded me of is simply the fact that instilling a lot of DJ principles into your relationship will go a long way towards molding a woman into a form that she needs to be in. If you're dating them young enough, it's definitely not too late to formulate some healthy changes in them. In contrast, if you act/behave/make decisions in an AFC way, then you have every reason to expect to be treated harshly in a typical American woman fashion.

For better or for worse, I have a very centric/almost narcissistic mindset where I think of the world as "me", and everything else is something I have considerable power over to manipulate or control. On the surface, that sounds bad, but if you really think about it, if you truly believe you can change and affect most everything - including "American women" - , you might be surprised just how far you can actually take that.

In so many cases, you'll end up being the manipulator, or the manipulated. In a relationship, that power struggle is inevitable - I suspect in most every country. Simply decide that you'll never lose it. If you do or you are losing that struggle in a relationship, send that woman packing, and don't forget to self-analyze and figure out what you did wrong!

I agree with the theme of your post, but the constant manipulation to maintain the upper hand is kind of like polishing a turd- in the end it's still a turd.

Don't get me wrong. I believe 110% that in ANY relationship the man HAS to be the man, and he HAS to lead. That goes for and American woman OR a bush b1tch from Zimbabwe.

And I share a similar narcissistic POV, but I don't have the desire, time, or energy to expend trying to keep that turd a shinin'.

You can definitely maintain the frame in a relationship. My issue is that it isn't 100% ABOUT the frame, it's about the overall demeanor of the woman i choose to spend time with. I want a FEMININE woman. A lady. A chick that I'm proud to introduce to mom. Fewer and few of those exist in America today.

 

[Colossus]

I wholeheartedly agree. Everything that fellow said is true, and I have lamented the poor quality (yes, POOR QUALITY) of our women countless times.

A useful anecdote: My gf is Brazilian. She has lived in the U.S. for a few years, but not long. She is 30. The great thing about having a foreign gf is you can really get the inside scoop on how they view Americans in general. We often discuss how they view American men, and how Brazilian men view American women.

From our discussions and her friends reports (most of them are Brazilian), pretty much all Brazilian men she knows have little respect for our women. They say they are easy, obnoxious, and spoiled; and they really dont pursue them for anything more than a fvck. There are a couple exceptions of Brazilian guys she knows who are dating American girls, but they are far in the minority.

Conversely, most Brazilian women really like American men. Not because of perceived wealth/power however. Brazilian culture is very much a machismo culture. The men there are very, very persistent; and really dont take no for an answer. It's their relentlessness that drive the women towards American men more, because, comparitively, we dont smother them and are far less jealous. This is coming from Brazilian women, not me.

If anyone has ever dated a South American woman, you know they are soooo different from Ameritrash. They are much more affectionate, very sexual, and less concerned about material garbage. They also do not put out easily, in general. You have to burn some calories to lay them. They like the chase; to resist a man and eventually be taken by him. There is a much clearer delineation between masculine and feminine qualities in their culture.

 

[samspade]

If anyone has ever dated a South American woman, you know they are soooo different from Ameritrash. They are much more affectionate, very sexual, and less concerned about material garbage. They also do not put out easily, in general. You have to burn some calories to lay them. They like the chase; to resist a man and eventually be taken by him. There is a much clearer delineation between masculine and feminine qualities in their culture.

I'm willing to bet that your girfriend, in addition to being feminine and deferential, is also educated, capable of holding down a job, and of fending for herself. Read: independent and "equal." The Brazilian I've been spending time with (she's visited me three times now) just completed her Master's and used to own her own business. Yet she doesn't confuse her own gumption with masculinity and obnoxiousness; she acts like a woman and treats me like a man - like THE man, in fact.

That's probably the biggest difference. American women confuse equality and independence with acting masculine and bittchy. They presume that all feminine foreign women are, at best, enslaved, and at worst, lacking in independent thought or ambition.

 

[Duffdog]

loud. ... Whorish. Easy. ... Lacking in modesty. ... Did you notice the overall theme? A complete and utter lack of shame, modesty and humility.


That sounds like all of my exes. And any girl I would date in the future. I don't want the good girl. They are boring. I want the porn star, the stripper, the sex fiend. Shame and modesty are no fun at all. All of the same guys who want shame and modesty in a woman will want her to act the opposite way for them...but never for anyone else before them...which is unrealistic. Unless you never want anything more than occasional missionary-style in the dark under the covers after you have been a good boy all day...a little whorishness is a good thing.

Hey Bible...

I know that you are into fighting and stuff, but trust me on this; you don't want a stripper. Sure they look good on your arm, but females of this type are extremely weak minded and easy to manipulate. And when I say easy, I mean it. In my younger days, I thought it was a fun game to go around sleeping with every stripper I could and then throwing them away the following day. It seems that they actually like abuse, and that is no female I would want.

Plus, you have to put up with the whole "I am everybodies type!" mentality.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Just to take this one step further, I can remember a time in my 20s when I heard countless times "Rollo, you need to respect women" from both women and men as if by saying this to me I would stop wanting to hook up with the strippers, groupies and club girls I was getting with then. At that time I didn't give much thought to it, but I do remember thinking how odd it was that women were entitled to my respect by default, but I never heard anyone ever tell a woman that they "needed to respect men". There was never an onus on women to respect men by default.

Now, of course I think we'd agree that men must earn respect from each other and from women. However, from a very young age boys, at least by and large, are taught never to hit a girl, watch your language, carry her books, respect HER, but there is no opposite dynamic for women. Everything is fair game; kick him in the nuts if he cross the line. Obviously I'm referencing things from a traditional standpoint, but now extrapolate this into modern culture where single mothers and emasculated men cover the cultural landscape. Even in traditional Latin cultures where women tend to prefer masculine men, it's not formally taught to them to respect men.

So this is my point, women don't respect men, or rather, they don't respect the masculine - and most certainly don't have a default respect for it. They're taught to be adversarial, not cooperative. Masculinity is popularly ridiculed in western culture as it is, but to respect a man is to compete with him, to out-masculine him. Cooperation or even recognizing that the genders could be complimentary is viewed at best as antiquated, at worst, submission to the male.

I should also add that I don't think this dynamic is limited to the Daddy-Issues strippers or coed sluts. I've personally known very well standing, church going puritanical women, who'd cringe to be called a feminist, parroting back the very ideologies, practicing the behaviors and subscribing to the mindset (albeit in different ways) of disrespecting the masculine. They were just as loud and just as obnoxious about it as any girl in Panama Beach, Florida on spring break.

 

[Bible_Belt]

So this is my point, women don't respect men, or rather, they don't respect the masculine - and most certainly don't have a default respect for it. They're taught to be adversarial, not cooperative. Masculinity is popularly ridiculed in western culture as it is, but to respect a man is to compete with him, to out-masculine him. Cooperation or even recognizing that the genders could be complimentary is viewed at best as antiquated, at worst, submission to the male.


I agree. It seems academic, though, and contrary to the true female nature. Academia, feminism, and all the modern women of America cannot change the inner female psyche. The girls I went to law school with were all modern American working career womyn. Most of them would self-identify as being Feminist. They are attorneys now, and some of them will become judges. But inside they are not any different. I remember being able to turn many of those girls into giggling schoolgirls, and never by being the feminist's doormat type of guy. They might tell you that was what they wanted, but it is all talk. Women are submissive by nature, and they will always be attracted to a man who brings out that side of them.

And in regard to wh0res, my position is that every woman is a good girl and every woman is a wh0re. It just depends on what moment you catch them in. And I like that about women. I like it a lot

 

[ketostix]

I definitely think the problem with American women is cultural/enviroment and not ethnicity. A lot of foreign women are materialistic, spoiled and bratty. A lot of Asian and Indian women fall into this category. Once these foreign women become Americanized they are often times much worse than domestic American women. If we could somehow take American women and put them through a de-feminazification program they would be better than any foreign women lol.

 

[Colossus]

So this is my point, women don't respect men, or rather, they don't respect the masculine - and most certainly don't have a default respect for it. They're taught to be adversarial, not cooperative. Masculinity is popularly ridiculed in western culture as it is, but to respect a man is to compete with him, to out-masculine him. Cooperation or even recognizing that the genders could be complimentary is viewed at best as antiquated, at worst, submission to the male.

I should also add that I don't think this dynamic is limited to the Daddy-Issues strippers or coed sluts. I've personally known very well standing, church going puritanical women, who'd cringe to be called a feminist, parroting back the very ideologies, practicing the behaviors and subscribing to the mindset (albeit in different ways) of disrespecting the masculine. They were just as loud and just as obnoxious about it as any girl in Panama Beach, Florida on spring break.

The academic question would be WHY, or HOW they became this way. It is obviously cultural. But what factors encourage, admonish, and foster this lack of default respect for men?

The answer to the problem is of course to choose and properly qualify a woman who DOES treat you--and other men--with respect, not try to show a brat the error of her ways. That is a waste of time. A good place to start would be to seek out women of a culture where there is a baseline level of default respect towards men. The foundation is already there.

 

[MatureDJ]

Agreed almost completely. But what makes you think American men are so damn alpha?

How about global military, political, and economic hegemony? (Well, on a per capita basis, the economic hegemony is shared by a number of other states, and is a bit tenuous.)

I think that a lot of former USSR women see their own men somewhat as losers in the totality of the Cold War. Of course, to any woman in the world, any man with a good income is a winner, and everyone is a loser.

 

[MatureDJ]

And any girl I would date in the future. I don't want the good girl. They are boring. I want the porn star, the stripper, the sex fiend. Shame and modesty are no fun at all.

I disagree. I would prefer to be with a woman without much experience. Her offering her intimacy to me is a sign of great respect. With that respect for me, she should be able to please me with fellatio, etc. (although I'd probably have to teach her how to do it.)

 

[STR8UP]

loud. ... Whorish. Easy. ... Lacking in modesty. ... Did you notice the overall theme? A complete and utter lack of shame, modesty and humility.


That sounds like all of my exes. And any girl I would date in the future. I don't want the good girl. They are boring. I want the porn star, the stripper, the sex fiend. Shame and modesty are no fun at all. All of the same guys who want shame and modesty in a woman will want her to act the opposite way for them...but never for anyone else before them...which is unrealistic. Unless you never want anything more than occasional missionary-style in the dark under the covers after you have been a good boy all day...a little whorishness is a good thing.

You know I'm with you on this one BB. To an extent anyway.

I don't have an issue with a woman who is a little more liberal thinking, but she has to be LOYAL TO ME, and she has to act like a lady in public. Unfortunately, most of the ones who will let you tie them to the rafters and violate each and everyone of their holes (in any order) aren't so refined in other respects.

This whole American women thing really had me thinking today.

How much happier would American people be (men and women) if our women acted more like women should?

Half of the problems stem from WOMEN WANTING TO BE MEN. This automatically raises the bar for men, so unless you "got it" you get stuck picking up crumbs off the floor.

I am dead serious about moving to another country within the next 5-7 years. With the extremely low frequency that I meet dateable women here in the states, I think it's the only thing a guy can really do unless he gets LUCKY. Of course, you can increase your chances of landing one of these rare specimens by being the best man you can be, but in the states it seems like an awful lot of high value men chasing a very small handful of desirable women.

 

[ketostix]

The academic question would be WHY, or HOW they became this way. It is obviously cultural. But what factors encourage, admonish, and foster this lack of default respect for men?

The answer to the problem is of course to choose and properly qualify a woman who DOES treat you--and other men--with respect, not try to show a brat the error of her ways. That is a waste of time.

A good place to start would be to seek out women of a culture where there is a baseline level of default respect towards men.

The foundation is already there.

I think that one good way of looking at it. But the problem is if you take a woman from another culture and expose her to this one, she hasn't been tested. She might turn out worse than the average american girl. I think if you are going to live in America then I agree with Azanon, best to get one that already been tested and for various reason tends toward qualities that we are looking for. Problem is they're rare and hard to find. You might have to go looking in a certain type of church and even there you would have to weed through a lot of girls. I just wished I could find one with those qualities that wasn't all into church.

 

[romangod]

With that respect for me, she should be able to please me with fellatio, etc. (although I'd probably have to teach her how to do it.)

You shouldn't teach her how to give fellatio. She might lose respect for you and get jealous because of the guy.


Cheers!

 

[jophil28]

I am dead serious about moving to another country within the next 5-7 years. With the extremely low frequency that I meet dateable women here in the states, I think it's the only thing a guy can really do unless he gets LUCKY.

You might want to visit with us down here for a couple weeks vacation , and then when you get that creepy feeling that Austalia reminds you of home and the women are similar and just as entitled and adversarial you might want to keep moving on.
I hear that Mauritius is nice this time of year. You speak French?

 

[guru1000]

Bottom line- this is like saying that you should play the casino across the street with 1-5 odds as opposed to the one across town with 10-1 odds.

If you are looking for roast beef, then why are you in the dairy aisle?

There are many communities here in New York and FL who share the traditional mentality you speak of. You don't need to leave the supermarket to find them.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

I think the crux of this discussion is looking for love in all the wrong places. Guru has it spot on. Depending on WHERE or how you meet a woman is a big factor on how "feminine" she is and how she'll treat you. In my experience I can't say MOST or ALL women in America are how STR8UP describes.

This is where QUALIFYING comes in. What kinds of friends does she have? What are her goals? What is she like when she doesn't get her way? Is she close to her family? Is she responsible? Is she a heavy drinker? DOES SHE SMOKE? DOES SHE DO DRUGS!?

IS SHE SUBMISSIVE?

I've met all kinds. I rarely deal with women who disrespect me. If they do there is no hesitation kicking them to the curb. I've weighed being disrespected in favor of getting pu$$y and you know what? My integrity wins out everytime. It's a matter of what you're willing to put up with. If you're b!tching about how a HB10 is giving you a stadium sized ball busting CUT HER OFF. Find and qualify a 7 or 8 who'll treat you like a king. Find a HB 10 and MAKE HER earn your respect.

It's easier to cry about how much women suck than talking about how to detect a good one. We rarely talk about that around here. To me it's counterproductive.

 

[PSYCHO]

Obviously I'm referencing things from a traditional standpoint,

The truth is not "traditional" - traditional implying "temporary". The Truth is everlasting, it was, is, and always shall be!!

...but now extrapolate this into modern culture where single mothers and emasculated men cover the cultural landscape. Even in traditional Latin cultures where women tend to prefer masculine men, it's not formally taught to them to respect men.

No such thing as A "SINGLE" mother - our existence is a duality! The Natural Order Of Things!

The "modern' single mother is an euphemism for "a hor with a baby"! Why? Because she put her personal wants./desires/pleasure/ over her child's welfare!! If the child was created by a duality then the upbringing of a child requires a duality! The main function of sex is procreation NOT pleasure!! Because the woman carries the child to birth - she is the gatekeeper of her child's existence! Men are intrinsically designed to pursue women - women are designed to seek what's best for their child/offspring - a hor puts herself first, and her child second, by opening her legs to one who is not her husband - to one who is not committed!! Sex is a creator force, this is why the woman, as a submittor, must be careful with whom she lays.

So this is my point, women don't respect men, or rather, they don't respect the masculine - and most certainly don't have a default respect for it. They're taught to be adversarial, not cooperative. Masculinity is popularly ridiculed in western culture as it is, but to respect a man is to compete with him, to out-masculine him. Cooperation or even recognizing that the genders could be complimentary is viewed at best as antiquated, at worst, submission to the male..

If you replace the word "women" with "Hors", your statement then would be correct!!

Did you say "Complimentary"? Why that sounds like... The Natural Order Of Things!!! http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50480

 

[STR8UP]

This is where QUALIFYING comes in. What kinds of friends does she have? What are her goals? What is she like when she doesn't get her way? Is she close to her family? Is she responsible? Is she a heavy drinker? DOES SHE SMOKE? DOES SHE DO DRUGS!?

IS SHE SUBMISSIVE?

How much "qualifying" do you think your dad, your grandfather, and your great-grandfather had to do to find a decent woman? .

It's easier to cry about how much women suck than talking about how to detect a good one. We rarely talk about that around here. To me it's counterproductive.

To each his own. Call it crying if you like, but the reality is that it's a cultural plague that has a profound effect on us men.

To my knowledge there aren't too many cultures in the world that talk down about American men, but it seems as if the rest of the world is in agreement that American women are, for all intents and purposes, good for only one thing- pump and dump.

When primitive man ran out of food, they packed their sh!t and moved to find greener pastures. Our fields have been plowed and plowed 'till the crops that grow are barely fit for consumption.

Go ahead and squander your youth "qualifying" one dud after another. While you are out spending a bunch of time and money find the wheat through the chaff, I'm making plans to go somewhere where women respect and appreciate men.

Good luck in your journey....

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

While it's a good idea to change fishing locations when the fish have run out, keep in mind that women in other countries behave the way they do because of the externally applied social norms.

I've lived in three countries besides the U.S., so I have a bit of experience with this.

The reason American women have changed is not due to a significant shift in female human nature, but a relaxation in social pressure to stay with one guy.


So if you plan on getting a "feminine" woman in another country, you'd better be prepared to stay in that country, otherwise she'll americanize herself real quick if you bring her back here.

I don't know about you, but leaving the culture of your birth just to hook up with a quality "feminine" women sounds pretty AFC to me.

It would seem easier to just improve your game to the point of being in the top one percent, but many guys aren't willing to do that.

Watch that video on google of those fools that went to russia looking for women, and they all got played.