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this is a thread about old phone numbers and their time limit.

if you talk to a chick for a short period of time and nothing evolves,

do NOT wait months and then call her at midnite, her new boyfriend will not like it and if the chick had anything nice to say about you before, well now she doesn't.

this should be a "given" but i thought i would voice my concern.
 

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Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

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i thought most people did....
my rule is to get rid of the numbers when you decide not to talk to them anymore , that way you arent tempted to call them later.


honestly at midnite, what was the dude thinking?
 

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I don't think I keep any old phone numbers lying around -- once I am done with them, I'm done with them. Even if I came across an old number at some point, I seriously doubt I would call it... too much can change over time and I think phone numbers have expiration dates like milk.

And to call at midnight... that's just stupid.
 

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The evolution of the best time to call

On a related note... it used to be that the best time to call was about 7-9 pm for most people who work during the day.

But now, with unlimited cell phone minutes kicking in at about 9pm, it appears 9-10 pm is the best time to call a lot of people.

But midnight? Yow. I leave the ringer in my bedroom off, and turn off the cell phone at the end of the evening, so it doesn't matter. That's a good strategy to deal with late night phone calls.

I avoid calling old numbers unless I got to know someone well enough to justify it. Then it can be welcome and fun.
 

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Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by Bonhomme


I avoid calling old numbers unless I got to know someone well enough to justify it. Then it can be welcome and fun.
me either...
come to think of it, i didnt like him enough to care if he stopped calling in the first place...
i just dont want my bf to get mad at me when some dumba$$ that you havent talked to in a billion years calls for nothing at a strange hour.
 

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Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by penkitten
i just dont want my bf to get mad at me when some dumba$$ that you havent talked to in a billion years calls for nothing at a strange hour.
It depends on the circumstances. If it's just some idiot who went cleaning out his little black book, found your number, and called at midnight, that's a time to be pissed off at HIM.

Sometimes if a girl is cheating, Guy #2 will call in the middle of the night, especially if he doesn't know that there's a Guy #1. But usually it's fairly easy to tell if that's the case or not (girl gets all suspicious, quiet voice, leaves the room with the phone, acts very strange). If it's a wrong number or just some moron, it's pretty easy to figure that out.
 

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Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
It depends on the circumstances. If it's just some idiot who went cleaning out his little black book, found your number, and called at midnight, that's a time to be pissed off at HIM.

glad to know you arent mad at me :D
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by penkitten
glad to know you arent mad at me :D
Haha. Nope.
 

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Originally posted by penkitten
this is a thread about old phone numbers and their time limit.

if you talk to a chick for a short period of time and nothing evolves,

do NOT wait months and then call her at midnite, her new boyfriend will not like it and if the chick had anything nice to say about you before, well now she doesn't.

this should be a "given" but i thought i would voice my concern.
This actually happened to you? LOL. Wow.
 

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Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
Haha. Nope.
Hmmmm suppose penkitten is PRETENDING to be pissed off at this "dumbass" and making it a big deal so GC doesn't suspect anything....
:D :p

jk guys
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by duke007
Hmmmm suppose penkitten is PRETENDING to be pissed off at this "dumbass" and making it a big deal so GC doesn't suspect anything....
:D :p

jk guys
no way
 

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Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
It depends on the circumstances. If it's just some idiot who went cleaning out his little black book, found your number, and called at midnight, that's a time to be pissed off at HIM.

Sometimes if a girl is cheating, Guy #2 will call in the middle of the night, especially if he doesn't know that there's a Guy #1. But usually it's fairly easy to tell if that's the case or not (girl gets all suspicious, quiet voice, leaves the room with the phone, acts very strange). If it's a wrong number or just some moron, it's pretty easy to figure that out.
Not that easy to figure out Gio. I've got a couple little playerette friends, and they can play some shyt off reeeeal good. Women are better at this than us, thats why not giving a fvck is the best policy.

Mr. Mystery
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by Mr. Mystery
Not that easy to figure out Gio. I've got a couple little playerette friends, and they can play some shyt off reeeeal good. Women are better at this than us, thats why not giving a fvck is the best policy.
I've been with some damn manipulative girls, excellent liars, but they have never been that great at covering the late night call from the guys they are cheating with.

In any event, I tend to trust unless I have a reason not to. Has that gotten me burned a few times? Sure, but it's better than the alternative.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
Sure, but it's better than the alternative.
which is?
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by penkitten
which is?
Not trusting at all, being constantly suspicious. Not giving the benefit of the doubt, always assuming the other person is cheating.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
Not trusting at all, being constantly suspicious. Not giving the benefit of the doubt, always assuming the other person is cheating.
o sheesh!
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by penkitten
o sheesh!
I don't do that, but I'm saying that you have a choice in a relationship. You can either trust a person unless they give you a reason not to, or you don't trust them at all. I choose to trust unless I've been given a reason to not do that. And I got screwed around on before, but I'm not going to spend my life hiring private investigators and hiding in the bushes.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of the best time to call

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
I don't do that, but I'm saying that you have a choice in a relationship. You can either trust a person unless they give you a reason not to, or you don't trust them at all. I choose to trust unless I've been given a reason to not do that. And I got screwed around on before, but I'm not going to spend my life hiring private investigators and hiding in the bushes.
good cause i would hate to cut all the bushes down hahaha
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

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