Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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Oh the murky world of OLD

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So I picked up a woman off bumble, just for a hook-up last weekend...

She's just sent me the following message..

Hey mr grey, hows it hanging. So there is this guy I like and we "work well together" anywho I think he is up for a 3 way or potentially a 4 way...3 guys plus me...

Just wondering if youd be interested. X


To add... Initially this woman said she was looking for a relationship....
 
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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ABORT ABORT ABORT
Ha ha ha...

This has actually made me decide to come off OLD for the moment..

The term "low hanging fruit" that I first read on here from keeps springing to mind..

But then again I am the one picking at them.. Interesting.
 

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So I picked up a woman off bumble, just for a hook-up last weekend...

She's just sent me the following message..

Hey mr grey, hows it hanging. So there is this guy I like and we "work well together" anywho I think he is up for a 3 way or potentially a 4 way...3 guys plus me...

Just wondering if youd be interested. X


To add... Initially this woman said she was looking for a relationship....
Did she have the 10,000 c@ck stare?

-Augustus-
 

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So I picked up a woman off bumble, just for a hook-up last weekend...

She's just sent me the following message..

Hey mr grey, hows it hanging. So there is this guy I like and we "work well together" anywho I think he is up for a 3 way or potentially a 4 way...3 guys plus me...

Just wondering if youd be interested. X


To add... Initially this woman said she was looking for a relationship....
Aiming high I see...
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Aiming high I see...
Ha ha...

I was just looking for a hook up in all fairness but initially she said she only wanted a relationship..

We are all on journey and it's another lesson learnt.. Its about putting the pieces together...

It's all written on these pages but we have to go through these things and experiences for ourselves to grow.

It's taken me over 40 years to seek out a place like this and it's like being a child again, in many respects..
 

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It transpired, during further research analysis, that a guy she "really likes" suggested a gang bang and she thought of me first.... Ha ha ha..
I don't find this much of laughting matter, the disrespect is palpable
 

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I don't find this much of laughting matter, the disrespect is palpable
I find it amusing that someone wants to go exclusive and then they are suggesting they would like to have an orgy of sorts.

I have politely declined the offer and people's choice of sexual recreational endeavours are theirs to make
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Ha ha...

I was just looking for a hook up in all fairness but initially she said she only wanted a relationship..

We are all on journey and it's another lesson learnt.. Its about putting the pieces together...

It's all written on these pages but we have to go through these things and experiences for ourselves to grow.

It's taken me over 40 years to seek out a place like this and it's like being a child again, in many respects..
You guys do not have to be on the same page intially, just the same chapter. Just remember for her to come into your frame, you do not go into hers.
 

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You guys do not have to be on the same page intially, just the same chapter. Just remember for her to come into your frame, you do not go into hers.
Your point on frame is a really good one and is often mentioned here; I had never heard of it before I joined…

Firstly I am working towards discovering more about my own frame; is it simply just being myself, I have always been happy with the person that I am. But that being said, I acknowledge that I need to add and tweak things…

I am now working out my life’s purpose, it appears to be a spiritual one.

In addition, I am now slowly removing the women that are orbiting my life; I have come off all dating apps… This recent online exchange brought me to that realisation…

A good friend of mine said imagine your life as a blank piece of paper, now for everything you have going on (in your life) draw a straight line across your page. For each and every line you draw the spaces between those lines gets closer and closer; to where you will have no space between them.

I now want to remove as many lines as possible, to reset myself, and then add value to my life, my kids, clarity on my purpose, regular gym sessions and get to a 9hcp.

Secondly I can say that I have 100% allowed the frame of my EX GFs to come to the fore in my past relationships, especially the last one.

One thing is that I need to stop repeating that what has gone before…

Sifting through the posts on here, some folk are so advanced on their journeys; it makes for interesting and enlightening reading and it allows me to accept we are all at different stages.

The key, for me, is to take on board that what I feel will be of benefit and therein I guess it’s trial and error..

Change your mind, change your world.

But to start with Frame is such an important aspect; thanks Rick
 

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Your point on frame is a really good one and is often mentioned here; I had never heard of it before I joined…

Firstly I am working towards discovering more about my own frame; is it simply just being myself, I have always been happy with the person that I am. But that being said, I acknowledge that I need to add and tweak things…

I am now working out my life’s purpose, it appears to be a spiritual one.

In addition, I am now slowly removing the women that are orbiting my life; I have come off all dating apps… This recent online exchange brought me to that realisation…

A good friend of mine said imagine your life as a blank piece of paper, now for everything you have going on (in your life) draw a straight line across your page. For each and every line you draw the spaces between those lines gets closer and closer; to where you will have no space between them.

I now want to remove as many lines as possible, to reset myself, and then add value to my life, my kids, clarity on my purpose, regular gym sessions and get to a 9hcp.

Secondly I can say that I have 100% allowed the frame of my EX GFs to come to the fore in my past relationships, especially the last one.

One thing is that I need to stop repeating that what has gone before…

Sifting through the posts on here, some folk are so advanced on their journeys; it makes for interesting and enlightening reading and it allows me to accept we are all at different stages.

The key, for me, is to take on board that what I feel will be of benefit and therein I guess it’s trial and error..

Change your mind, change your world.

But to start with Frame is such an important aspect; thanks Rick
Dating apps are the devil. However, they do have their place. I'm a little concerned about STDs, so I tend to stay off them (since March). So say I am a bit too concerned, but to each their own. I did best on Jswipe (not Jewish, but they love non-followers I guess) and Bumble. As @Amante Silvestre said multiple times before, use their boost feature, delete account after a week or two and repeat. It works each and every time. Just becareful.

Always best to meet IRL. Focus on you and the rest will fall into place. Good health. Good food. Some exercise and working on your purpose; then you will be golden.
 

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Why are you people still doing OLD?

Is it really hard for a man to move about and create his own social network?

A man must learn how to socially mix around on his own, he can't be an island forever.
 

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Why are you people still doing OLD?

Is it really hard for a man to move about and create his own social network?

A man must learn how to socially mix around on his own, he can't be an island forever.
Some take the path to least resistance. IRL is much better and you, as a dude, are looked upon much better by your prospectives then online IMO. Shows you have a backbone to approach.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Why are you people still doing OLD?

Is it really hard for a man to move about and create his own social network?

A man must learn how to socially mix around on his own, he can't be an island forever.
It's an insightful post and true...

I have heavily relied on OLD, for a long time now.... I am instigating change.

In my previous life, everything revolved around my kids and ex wife.... Like a fool I gave everything up along the way in the thought I was being a better husband etc...

My social network is redundant, but I am putting things in place again...

I have joined my local golf course, regular gym classes and I am looking to connect with old friends... It does take time...

My days here are few indeed but in that short time you do appear to be an exception rather than the rule... And kudos to you for creating your own place in this life and the world around you..

That should be a goal for us all, but that ties into frame and inner belief... Strength in a world where we (men) are being cajoled and herded into the feminist trap...

This whole subject, not just OLD, is truly fascinating...
 
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