Observations on Phoenix's Scene

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Chandler is a decent place. It's a bit too suburban for my taste.

I barely spent any time in Chandler when I lived there.

I'm with you, bro.

West Phoenix was my spot, and I loved it because I dig the rough and gritty vibe and atmosphere.

But, Chandler has since grew on me.

However, I'm thinking of, at LEAST once a month, renting a car and room..and kicking it on my off days on that side of the valley.

It has much to offer in terms of day game (for what I like)...and a sharp contrast to the East side.

That's a good way of capturing how I felt at the time.

I have an example.

Many years ago in Phoenix, there was a nightclub called Hurricane Bay. It was located at 43rd Avenue and Bell Road.

It had enough of an audience to keep it open for over a decade until it closed in 2013. I recall a time or two in the mid-2000s thinking about whether or not I should check the place out. I never did because I didn't think it was worth my time to check out something in the West Valley scene.

The West valley just doesn't get a good rep lol.

 

[SW15]

The West valley just doesn't get a good rep lol.

It hasn't had one for a long time.

When Maryvale first got constructed in the late 1950s/early 1960s, it was considered nice. It lost that reputation within 20 years. By the early 1980s, it turned into a not-so-nice spot.

Desert Sky Mall would be an option for meeting Latinas out there. I never did it. I could imagine someone very much into Latinas approaching Latinas there.

The Northwest Valley is a hotspot for 55+ retirees with the Sun Cities and other retirement communities. If a man was 55+ and looking for 55+ women, he could seduce out there. There are mainly long time married retirees out there, but there are widowed women and divorcees too. Retirement communities in Florida and Arizona are known for having active sexual scenes. People didn't expect this when it was mainly the GI Generation and Silent Generations who were the main residents but it happened even then. Starting around 2010, Baby Boomers became the majority of 55+ communities and Boomers had more divorces in life. Today, the 55+ community is still majority Boomer and now early Generation X.

There isn't much going on in the northern parts of Glendale (think like Thunderbird Rd and north) and Peoria. It's mainly 1960s-1980s housing stock up until Bell Rd. It gets newer north of that. The best that a man could do in most of those neighborhoods is a single mom. More single moms would be divorced and somewhat more upscale single moms, but still single moms. The only exception up in that area would be the Arizona State's West campus. ASU West has some younger women around there but it has never been close to as exciting as ASU in Tempe.

 

[BPH]

Having spent a full week in Scottsdale, I want to describe my experience while it's still fresh. It's not EXACTLY Phoenix, but it's close enough that people will likely have heard of the spots I'm describing, and the women will likely behave similarly. Hopefully, this will also awaken @SW15 from whatever coma he's been in since September.

First off, quick shoutout to @BeExcellent for the assistance with planning this trip and bar/club suggestions. It was lovely meeting you and your friends, and I wish your husband had stayed out so I could've met him as well.

Also, if you ever visit the area, I have the number for Trena with Golf Cart Taxi Old Town LLC. They're basically a ride-share service that uses golf carts within a 5-mile radius. She was operating solely on tips and was a very sweet lady. She even hooked me up with wristbands to skip the line and get free shots with my drinks at this one bar, and tried to set me up with a cute, younger friend of hers (I'll get into that later). Trena was wonderful.

I think the best way to accurately summarize my experience would be by going down the list of the bars and clubs I visited, and then getting into my overall experience with the women here. I think that will be the most organized way to present this all.

Coach House - The very first place I visited on Tuesday night, and then again briefly on Thursday night. I went out with low expectations, but heard this was a decent dive bar, and it was within walking distance. It had tons of lights set up and really leaned into the Christmas theme. It's located between EVO and The Beverly, which are 2 other bars I'd heard about, but heard they were more dinner spots than bar destinations. This spot had a bit more of a townie vibe to it, and seemed like everybody here knew each other and came with their dates. I did meet some cute girls that Tuesday night who gave me some suggestions. Unfortunately, they both had boyfriends, and the other night I visited, there really weren't any cute girls. A good spot if you wanted to get into the Christmas spirit, or wanted affordable drinks (this was the only place where the cost of a drink was in the single digits), but it definitely isn't a good spot to meet singles.

Boondocks - The girls from Coach House told me this was the spot they'd suggest, because it's on the same strip as The Hot Chick and some other bar (I don't know what the other bar was, and nothing nearby was popping off enough for me to put 2 and 2 together). The Hot Chick was completely dead until Friday and Saturday night, but Boondocks had a decent showing every single night of the week, and it's where I went for my date with the girl I mentioned in my earlier thread. The vibe here is a blend of a sports bar and a date night spot. There are a few pool tables, 3 main bars, and a big open section with a lot of tables pointed at a massive screen showing whatever sports team was playing. Seems like a fun spot to go with a girl, or some of your bros, but also not really a spot to meet singles. Had quite a long line on Friday and Saturday, so I didn't bother. The Hot Chick seemed to be about the same, but on a smaller scale.

Cala - Only spent a little bit of time here on Friday night as something of a pregame, but I think I have a good understanding of who this is for. It's an upscale, scenic restaurant bar that stays open a little late, but not bar-late. Everybody here is well-dressed, and it looks like the kind of place girls would go with their friends to take pictures for Instagram. Met this really gorgeous gymfluencer and her flight attendant friend here, but they were just using this spot as a pregame for The Beverly, and I wouldn't end up seeing either of them again.

El Hefe/Bottled Blonde/Hi-Fi/Maya - I'm going to group these all together because they're all about the same, along with Riot House and Pretty Please Lounge, which I hadn't visited, but assume are about the same experience. These clubs are all in the same area, referred to as "the U". This is Miami lite; every spot sells very expensive drinks ($20+, some with the gratuity baked into the price, while still asking for a tip) and the most attractive women there are the workers. Most spots have tables and sections, so it's also less accessible if you're not balling out. Seemed pretty busy, especially on Saturday, with lots of people lining the streets by closing time, trying to coordinate their rides home.

Wasted Grain - The final destination on this list, and also where I had the most fun, by far. First of all, Trena's wristbands really helped with getting drunk without breaking the bank at this spot, so that alone was awesome. The bar is split into 3 main sections: there's the main bar at the entrance where live bands perform, there's a larger outdoor section behind that bar, and then there's a nightclub section on the 2nd floor up the staircase from the outdoor section. This was the only place that seemed like a good spot for singles, and seemed like the place to be for postgrads. The women weren't outstanding, but they were certainly more attractive than any of the other places I'd been, minus the clubs that only employed dimes as bartenders and bottle girls. Nearby, there's a bar called Goodwood Tavern that I think deserves an honorable mention, because it looked like a pretty fun spot on a Friday or Saturday, and I would've gone there if I didn't have the wristbands for Wasted Grain.

 

[BPH]

Character limit...

Now, as for the women...

I don't think I've ever dealt with such a variety of bullsh** anywhere else. Not in New York. Not in Miami. Not in Philly. Not even in Delaware.

First of all, the dating apps. I got somewhere between 15 and 20 matches during my stay, none of which came from Tinder, oddly enough. Every single match on Bumble had set an Opening Move. For those who don't know, the gimmick with Bumble is that women have to message first. I guess that wasn't very popular over time, so a change was made to allow women to set a prompt - something of an "automatic" message that gets sent to the guy for them to answer, so that the onus is still on the man to initiate. Beyond that, on Hinge, almost every woman was Christian, and specified on their profile that they were looking for either a Long-term relationship or a Life partner. Don't get me wrong, the girls on these apps in Scottsdale/Phoenix are gorgeous, but they're just as responsive as anywhere else; ie, not very.

Most conversations expired when they wouldn't reply after the Opening Move, but I did get a few phone numbers and set up some tentative dates. The first was the girl I made the thread about a date, where I thought it would be a waste of time since she was Christian, looking for something long-term, and couldn't be out past 10PM (spoiler: it didn't go well). There was another I matched with before her, whom I set up plans with for the same night as the previous girl. There had been 1 or 2 days between when I last contacted her, so when I texted her asking if she was still free, she sent me an audio message basically saying that she forgot and would've wanted me to confirm with her prior (mind you, I had sent the last message before that conversation). Then there was another another girl who also moved to Arizona from Wilmington that I was supposed to get drinks with that same night. Apparently, she got electrocuted at work and decided to stay in and take it easy. I texted her the next day, asking if she was feeling better, which she replied to and appreciated - but when I asked her if she was feeling good enough to come out with me that night, she never responded. Then there was another another another girl whom I made plans with first for Thursday night, later for Friday night. She was supposed to hit me up after she finished a late-night workout to see where I was and come join me, but never did. Texted me apologizing the next day, so I invited her again, and again she never texted back that night, so I deleted her number.

In-person interactions weren't much better.

One of @BeExcellent 's friends had a daughter who just graduated, whom I was introduced to. She was very interested and asked for my number, saying she would be out at a certain bar the next night, and that I should come. I wasn't too interested, but I was open to seeing how things would go. Over the next 3 nights, she and her friends would change their minds about going to that bar, stay in as a result of a late dinner, then go to a speakeasy more than 20 miles away, so I stopped texting her and never saw her.

The night I visited El Hefe, I met a really gorgeous girl who turned out to be a bottle girl at Maya who was enjoying her night off. She seemed interested, but told me she doesn't give out her number, and asked for my Instagram. I knew this was probably BS, but she told me that she'd grab drinks if I didn't "look boring" according to my social media. She left soon after that, and unfollowed me the next day, but was so gracious to leave me as a follower on her profile, which I rectified.

The gymfluencer from Cala seemed potentially interested and gave me her number, even going so far as to "love" my message when I texted her that it was nice meeting her. But the next night, when I texted her to come meet me out for drinks, she never responded.

The girl that Trena introduced me to was kinda cute, and also seemed super interested. She got my number from Trena and met me as I was going up to the club section, and we planned to meet downstairs when she got through the line into the bar. After a bunch of texting back and forth to try to find each other, the closest we got was when she and her friend were passing me on their way upstairs, as she was being pulled along. At some point, she leaves the bar and texts me to come to another bar. I decide that's not worth the effort, and by closing time, she's still texting me, so I tell her where I'm staying and invite her to come through. She texts me the next morning that she passed out, so I stopped bothering with her.

There was even a girl at Wasted Grain that tried to co**block on behalf of her friend, who was enjoying my company. I introduced myself, we hit it off, she told me she was single - everything was going pretty well, aside from the fact that she might be a little too drunk. One of her girlfriends comes between us and tells me that the girl has a boyfriend, which leads to a protest from the girl I was interested in. They have a little sidebar arguing about the fact that she's single. This, coupled with the fact that she might be a little too drunk, was enough for me to move on.

Finally, the only positive interaction I had was at Wasted Grain with maybe an hour or so before closing time on my last night there. Met a hot goth girl and her friends in the outdoor section. I came over, introduced myself, and danced with her for a bit. Went for the kiss, she was receptive, and we alternated between making out and dancing. I told her I was staying nearby and that we should leave soon. She starts apologizing, saying that she's not ready to sleep with someone new, since she had just been broken up with a week prior. At this point, I don't feel like doing another lap around the bar looking for someone I'd be interested in with less than an hour left of the night, so we continue dancing, making out, and chatting a little bit here and there. By the very end of the night, I find out she's from Sacramento and visiting her friend, who is upstairs on the balcony of the club section, also making out with a guy. She says she wants to spend more time with me, but wants to see whether her friend is leaving with that guy, or whether they're going to leave together. Unfortunately, things don't work out with that other guy, so her friend comes and collects her from me, and they leave together. I have her phone number, and she's invited me to come visit her in Sacramento if I ever find time, saying she has her own place there.

And that was my Scottsdale experience.

The weather was a nice departure from the snow and ice of Delaware. Everybody I met was very kind, and they had some decent gyms too. However, if you're a single guy, I don't think you're going to have a great time.

Maybe it would've made a difference if I'd visited at a different time of year.

Maybe it would've made a difference if I stayed closer to Mill Ave and the college spots while ASU was still in session.

Who knows? But that's a summary of my week in Old Town Scottsdale, and all the Ls I took with it.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Character limit...

Now, as for the women...

I don't think I've ever dealt with such a variety of bullsh** anywhere else. Not in New York. Not in Miami. Not in Philly. Not even in Delaware.

First of all, the dating apps. I got somewhere between 15 and 20 matches during my stay, none of which came from Tinder, oddly enough. Every single match on Bumble had set an Opening Move. For those who don't know, the gimmick with Bumble is that women have to message first. I guess that wasn't very popular over time, so a change was made to allow women to set a prompt - something of an "automatic" message that gets sent to the guy for them to answer, so that the onus is still on the man to initiate. Beyond that, on Hinge, almost every woman was Christian, and specified on their profile that they were looking for either a Long-term relationship or a Life partner. Don't get me wrong, the girls on these apps in Scottsdale/Phoenix are gorgeous, but they're just as responsive as anywhere else; ie, not very.

Most conversations expired when they wouldn't reply after the Opening Move, but I did get a few phone numbers and set up some tentative dates. The first was the girl I made the thread about a date, where I thought it would be a waste of time since she was Christian, looking for something long-term, and couldn't be out past 10PM (spoiler: it didn't go well). There was another I matched with before her, whom I set up plans with for the same night as the previous girl. There had been 1 or 2 days between when I last contacted her, so when I texted her asking if she was still free, she sent me an audio message basically saying that she forgot and would've wanted me to confirm with her prior (mind you, I had sent the last message before that conversation). Then there was another another girl who also moved to Arizona from Wilmington that I was supposed to get drinks with that same night. Apparently, she got electrocuted at work and decided to stay in and take it easy. I texted her the next day, asking if she was feeling better, which she replied to and appreciated - but when I asked her if she was feeling good enough to come out with me that night, she never responded. Then there was another another another girl whom I made plans with first for Thursday night, later for Friday night. She was supposed to hit me up after she finished a late-night workout to see where I was and come join me, but never did. Texted me apologizing the next day, so I invited her again, and again she never texted back that night, so I deleted her number.

In-person interactions weren't much better.

One of @BeExcellent 's friends had a daughter who just graduated, whom I was introduced to. She was very interested and asked for my number, saying she would be out at a certain bar the next night, and that I should come. I wasn't too interested, but I was open to seeing how things would go. Over the next 3 nights, she and her friends would change their minds about going to that bar, stay in as a result of a late dinner, then go to a speakeasy more than 20 miles away, so I stopped texting her and never saw her.

The night I visited El Hefe, I met a really gorgeous girl who turned out to be a bottle girl at Maya who was enjoying her night off. She seemed interested, but told me she doesn't give out her number, and asked for my Instagram. I knew this was probably BS, but she told me that she'd grab drinks if I didn't "look boring" according to my social media. She left soon after that, and unfollowed me the next day, but was so gracious to leave me as a follower on her profile, which I rectified.

The gymfluencer from Cala seemed potentially interested and gave me her number, even going so far as to "love" my message when I texted her that it was nice meeting her. But the next night, when I texted her to come meet me out for drinks, she never responded.

The girl that Trena introduced me to was kinda cute, and also seemed super interested. She got my number from Trena and met me as I was going up to the club section, and we planned to meet downstairs when she got through the line into the bar. After a bunch of texting back and forth to try to find each other, the closest we got was when she and her friend were passing me on their way upstairs, as she was being pulled along. At some point, she leaves the bar and texts me to come to another bar. I decide that's not worth the effort, and by closing time, she's still texting me, so I tell her where I'm staying and invite her to come through. She texts me the next morning that she passed out, so I stopped bothering with her.

There was even a girl at Wasted Grain that tried to co**block on behalf of her friend, who was enjoying my company. I introduced myself, we hit it off, she told me she was single - everything was going pretty well, aside from the fact that she might be a little too drunk. One of her girlfriends comes between us and tells me that the girl has a boyfriend, which leads to a protest from the girl I was interested in. They have a little sidebar arguing about the fact that she's single. This, coupled with the fact that she might be a little too drunk, was enough for me to move on.

Finally, the only positive interaction I had was at Wasted Grain with maybe an hour or so before closing time on my last night there. Met a hot goth girl and her friends in the outdoor section. I came over, introduced myself, and danced with her for a bit. Went for the kiss, she was receptive, and we alternated between making out and dancing. I told her I was staying nearby and that we should leave soon. She starts apologizing, saying that she's not ready to sleep with someone new, since she had just been broken up with a week prior. At this point, I don't feel like doing another lap around the bar looking for someone I'd be interested in with less than an hour left of the night, so we continue dancing, making out, and chatting a little bit here and there. By the very end of the night, I find out she's from Sacramento and visiting her friend, who is upstairs on the balcony of the club section, also making out with a guy. She says she wants to spend more time with me, but wants to see whether her friend is leaving with that guy, or whether they're going to leave together. Unfortunately, things don't work out with that other guy, so her friend comes and collects her from me, and they leave together. I have her phone number, and she's invited me to come visit her in Sacramento if I ever find time, saying she has her own place there.

And that was my Scottsdale experience.

The weather was a nice departure from the snow and ice of Delaware. Everybody I met was very kind, and they had some decent gyms too. However, if you're a single guy, I don't think you're going to have a great time.

Maybe it would've made a difference if I'd visited at a different time of year.

Maybe it would've made a difference if I stayed closer to Mill Ave and the college spots while ASU was still in session.

Who knows? But that's a summary of my week in Old Town Scottsdale, and all the Ls I took with it.

What would you say your favorite city is to game in out of all the ones you’ve tried?

 

[BPH]

What would you say your favorite city is to game in out of all the ones you’ve tried?

That's a very difficult question to answer because of how different everything is post-COVID.

College was also its own wild experience, so I think I'll give you the short answer, then the longer answer.

Short Answer:

Pre-COVID, probably Atlantic City, NJ.

Post-COVID, probably Ocean City, MD, or Newark, DE.

Long Answer:

Newark, DE - Even though I complain about the bar scene now that I'm over 30 years old, and run into age objections, it's still provided me with a lot of very attractive women - both while in college, and as a graduate. As a native, I thought going to college in Delaware would suck, but when I transferred home from North Carolina, I was pleasantly surprised. I remember going particularly wild in my senior year during syllabus week when I slept with 3 or 4 different women over 3 days. As a post-grad, I've still had several very attractive women that I'd met through the college bars; notably this one blonde a few years back who thought it was hot that I was "pushing 30", and the recent girl from back in April who is now a dancer for the Celtics. Most of these women were pre-COVID and pre-OnlyFans, so things were definitely easier.

Wilmington, DE - Most postgrads end up in Trolley, and I've never been impressed by the local women outside of the college town. They're older, less attractive, have more requirements, and are sprinkled throughout the bar with a ratio of 5-10 guys per girl. I've had some success, but these women were at the less attractive end of my spectrum.

Wilmington, NC - Definitely had some good times here before I transferred back home. The girls are very attractive, and the fact that it's a 10-minute drive from the beach means most people are incentivised to stay in shape. It was much less cliquey than Delaware, because Greek life isn't such a big deal, but that meant that you either went to the bars or had a close friend with a house to host parties. Some really gorgeous girls, but also showed me that purity rings were real, and not a television trope. Very Christian.

Miami, FL - Pay to play. Beautiful women...working at the bars, clubs, or as strippers, trying to get you to pay $200 for a dance. Less attractive, but still beautiful women...in VIP sections guarded by security. I never saw these women walking around or at the beach. I have a friend who lives in Fort Lauderdale who invited me to visit whenever I'm in town, so I might take him up on that to see if I can have a good time somewhere nearby.

New York, NY - Just because there are a lot of beautiful women who live here doesn't mean you'll ever see them - there's also a lot of every other person living here. To me, it's just Philadelphia with more white people. Everything is extremely expensive, and the women I encountered on the dating apps required significant courting and wouldn't be down to meet up over drinks or a coffee. For a while, my brother was depressed by this place because every woman he was interested in had some sort of material motive, rather than seeking an actual connection. I think congested cities like this are extremely ugly to look at once you get close. Definitely not a fan.

Ocean City, MD - I've been going here with family every year for the same week out of the month for as long as I can remember. It was definitely a better spot pre-COVID, but it's still a good enough spot that I look forward to those vacations today. It's not too expensive, there are good places to go every night of the week, it's warm and beachy, and the women are often as promiscuous as the ones I'd run into in Delaware. The general attractiveness of these women has been on the downtrend, but that's everywhere. Dating apps are notably weak. I don't think I'd ever met with a woman from an app here, often because there are so few standouts.

Atlantic City, NJ - Unfortunately, this place is nowhere near as amazing as it was pre-COVID. One particular stay at Harrah's was responsible for probably the best night I've ever had out: I got paid, got a free room, got laid, skipped the line, got drunk with a hot girl and her friends in VIP (for free), and ended up banging one of them that night - and I got to do this all with my brother. I met my 2nd serious girlfriend at the same club on a different night out, and during the first year post-COVID I had a short fling with one really hot chick who lived up in New York in the financial district. But after the shutdowns and riots, it was never nearly the same. Harrah's pool after dark had something like 5 bars set up all around the pool, an outdoor hookah lounge, and would have some B or C-list celebrity manning the DJ tables. Nowadays, only 1 or 2 of those bars are active, as the only people in the club are congregated in a small area around the DJ. It's nowhere near the party destination it once was.

Philadelphia, PA - Need to spend more time here. I've had some really good nights out and met some cute girls. The problem is that unless my friend allows us to stay overnight, it's an hour drive each way, and probably about $50 or so to park at a garage for however long I'm at the bars. It's also definitely not safe once you get outside the main strip of bars in Center City.

West Chester, PA - Very similar to Newark, but I haven't had a great time out here in a while. It's really just the bars - I don't think West Chester as a whole is a really great spot, especially when the college students are away. I did meet one particularly beautiful blonde here, and had been with a handful of other very attractive girls. It's like Philadelphia lite.

I'd also been to Las Vegas and Los Angeles, but I was too young at the time to drink or go off anywhere on my own to see how it really is.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Does anyone know what happened to @SW15 ? He was a major staple here and suddenly he disappeared, hasn't logged in since September 15.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Does anyone know what happened to @SW15 ? He was a major staple here and suddenly he disappeared, hasn't logged in since September 15.

He probably got a girlfriend lol.

 

[nicksaiz65]

That's a very difficult question to answer because of how different everything is post-COVID.

College was also its own wild experience, so I think I'll give you the short answer, then the longer answer.

Short Answer:

Pre-COVID, probably Atlantic City, NJ.

Post-COVID, probably Ocean City, MD, or Newark, DE.

Long Answer:

Newark, DE - Even though I complain about the bar scene now that I'm over 30 years old, and run into age objections, it's still provided me with a lot of very attractive women - both while in college, and as a graduate. As a native, I thought going to college in Delaware would suck, but when I transferred home from North Carolina, I was pleasantly surprised. I remember going particularly wild in my senior year during syllabus week when I slept with 3 or 4 different women over 3 days. As a post-grad, I've still had several very attractive women that I'd met through the college bars; notably this one blonde a few years back who thought it was hot that I was "pushing 30", and the recent girl from back in April who is now a dancer for the Celtics. Most of these women were pre-COVID and pre-OnlyFans, so things were definitely easier.

Wilmington, DE - Most postgrads end up in Trolley, and I've never been impressed by the local women outside of the college town. They're older, less attractive, have more requirements, and are sprinkled throughout the bar with a ratio of 5-10 guys per girl. I've had some success, but these women were at the less attractive end of my spectrum.

Wilmington, NC - Definitely had some good times here before I transferred back home. The girls are very attractive, and the fact that it's a 10-minute drive from the beach means most people are incentivised to stay in shape. It was much less cliquey than Delaware, because Greek life isn't such a big deal, but that meant that you either went to the bars or had a close friend with a house to host parties. Some really gorgeous girls, but also showed me that purity rings were real, and not a television trope. Very Christian.

Miami, FL - Pay to play. Beautiful women...working at the bars, clubs, or as strippers, trying to get you to pay $200 for a dance. Less attractive, but still beautiful women...in VIP sections guarded by security. I never saw these women walking around or at the beach. I have a friend who lives in Fort Lauderdale who invited me to visit whenever I'm in town, so I might take him up on that to see if I can have a good time somewhere nearby.

New York, NY - Just because there are a lot of beautiful women who live here doesn't mean you'll ever see them - there's also a lot of every other person living here. To me, it's just Philadelphia with more white people. Everything is extremely expensive, and the women I encountered on the dating apps required significant courting and wouldn't be down to meet up over drinks or a coffee. For a while, my brother was depressed by this place because every woman he was interested in had some sort of material motive, rather than seeking an actual connection. I think congested cities like this are extremely ugly to look at once you get close. Definitely not a fan.

Ocean City, MD - I've been going here with family every year for the same week out of the month for as long as I can remember. It was definitely a better spot pre-COVID, but it's still a good enough spot that I look forward to those vacations today. It's not too expensive, there are good places to go every night of the week, it's warm and beachy, and the women are often as promiscuous as the ones I'd run into in Delaware. The general attractiveness of these women has been on the downtrend, but that's everywhere. Dating apps are notably weak. I don't think I'd ever met with a woman from an app here, often because there are so few standouts.

Atlantic City, NJ - Unfortunately, this place is nowhere near as amazing as it was pre-COVID. One particular stay at Harrah's was responsible for probably the best night I've ever had out: I got paid, got a free room, got laid, skipped the line, got drunk with a hot girl and her friends in VIP (for free), and ended up banging one of them that night - and I got to do this all with my brother. I met my 2nd serious girlfriend at the same club on a different night out, and during the first year post-COVID I had a short fling with one really hot chick who lived up in New York in the financial district. But after the shutdowns and riots, it was never nearly the same. Harrah's pool after dark had something like 5 bars set up all around the pool, an outdoor hookah lounge, and would have some B or C-list celebrity manning the DJ tables. Nowadays, only 1 or 2 of those bars are active, as the only people in the club are congregated in a small area around the DJ. It's nowhere near the party destination it once was.

Philadelphia, PA - Need to spend more time here. I've had some really good nights out and met some cute girls. The problem is that unless my friend allows us to stay overnight, it's an hour drive each way, and probably about $50 or so to park at a garage for however long I'm at the bars. It's also definitely not safe once you get outside the main strip of bars in Center City.

West Chester, PA - Very similar to Newark, but I haven't had a great time out here in a while. It's really just the bars - I don't think West Chester as a whole is a really great spot, especially when the college students are away. I did meet one particularly beautiful blonde here, and had been with a handful of other very attractive girls. It's like Philadelphia lite.

I'd also been to Las Vegas and Los Angeles, but I was too young at the time to drink or go off anywhere on my own to see how it really is.

Yeah, that’s a good point. COVID did a lot to alter the dating scene.

I’ve never tried to game in any of the above locations except Miami.

I’ve heard good things about New York, but I’ve also heard to be ready for rude rejections lol.

I think you would like Vegas.

I have interest in LA(later.) I think it’s smart to get more stable financially due to the job market before I’m like “let me see what the women in this city are like” here & there.

Iirc, Zoo Culture is in LA?

I’m sure the gym/fitness scene there is awesome.

 

[nicksaiz65]

He probably got a girlfriend lol.

That is pretty likely.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Character limit...

Now, as for the women...

I don't think I've ever dealt with such a variety of bullsh** anywhere else. Not in New York. Not in Miami. Not in Philly. Not even in Delaware.

First of all, the dating apps. I got somewhere between 15 and 20 matches during my stay, none of which came from Tinder, oddly enough. Every single match on Bumble had set an Opening Move. For those who don't know, the gimmick with Bumble is that women have to message first. I guess that wasn't very popular over time, so a change was made to allow women to set a prompt - something of an "automatic" message that gets sent to the guy for them to answer, so that the onus is still on the man to initiate. Beyond that, on Hinge, almost every woman was Christian, and specified on their profile that they were looking for either a Long-term relationship or a Life partner. Don't get me wrong, the girls on these apps in Scottsdale/Phoenix are gorgeous, but they're just as responsive as anywhere else; ie, not very.

Most conversations expired when they wouldn't reply after the Opening Move, but I did get a few phone numbers and set up some tentative dates. The first was the girl I made the thread about a date, where I thought it would be a waste of time since she was Christian, looking for something long-term, and couldn't be out past 10PM (spoiler: it didn't go well). There was another I matched with before her, whom I set up plans with for the same night as the previous girl. There had been 1 or 2 days between when I last contacted her, so when I texted her asking if she was still free, she sent me an audio message basically saying that she forgot and would've wanted me to confirm with her prior (mind you, I had sent the last message before that conversation). Then there was another another girl who also moved to Arizona from Wilmington that I was supposed to get drinks with that same night. Apparently, she got electrocuted at work and decided to stay in and take it easy. I texted her the next day, asking if she was feeling better, which she replied to and appreciated - but when I asked her if she was feeling good enough to come out with me that night, she never responded. Then there was another another another girl whom I made plans with first for Thursday night, later for Friday night. She was supposed to hit me up after she finished a late-night workout to see where I was and come join me, but never did. Texted me apologizing the next day, so I invited her again, and again she never texted back that night, so I deleted her number.

In-person interactions weren't much better.

One of @BeExcellent 's friends had a daughter who just graduated, whom I was introduced to. She was very interested and asked for my number, saying she would be out at a certain bar the next night, and that I should come. I wasn't too interested, but I was open to seeing how things would go. Over the next 3 nights, she and her friends would change their minds about going to that bar, stay in as a result of a late dinner, then go to a speakeasy more than 20 miles away, so I stopped texting her and never saw her.

The night I visited El Hefe, I met a really gorgeous girl who turned out to be a bottle girl at Maya who was enjoying her night off. She seemed interested, but told me she doesn't give out her number, and asked for my Instagram. I knew this was probably BS, but she told me that she'd grab drinks if I didn't "look boring" according to my social media. She left soon after that, and unfollowed me the next day, but was so gracious to leave me as a follower on her profile, which I rectified.

The gymfluencer from Cala seemed potentially interested and gave me her number, even going so far as to "love" my message when I texted her that it was nice meeting her. But the next night, when I texted her to come meet me out for drinks, she never responded.

The girl that Trena introduced me to was kinda cute, and also seemed super interested. She got my number from Trena and met me as I was going up to the club section, and we planned to meet downstairs when she got through the line into the bar. After a bunch of texting back and forth to try to find each other, the closest we got was when she and her friend were passing me on their way upstairs, as she was being pulled along. At some point, she leaves the bar and texts me to come to another bar. I decide that's not worth the effort, and by closing time, she's still texting me, so I tell her where I'm staying and invite her to come through. She texts me the next morning that she passed out, so I stopped bothering with her.

There was even a girl at Wasted Grain that tried to co**block on behalf of her friend, who was enjoying my company. I introduced myself, we hit it off, she told me she was single - everything was going pretty well, aside from the fact that she might be a little too drunk. One of her girlfriends comes between us and tells me that the girl has a boyfriend, which leads to a protest from the girl I was interested in. They have a little sidebar arguing about the fact that she's single. This, coupled with the fact that she might be a little too drunk, was enough for me to move on.

Finally, the only positive interaction I had was at Wasted Grain with maybe an hour or so before closing time on my last night there. Met a hot goth girl and her friends in the outdoor section. I came over, introduced myself, and danced with her for a bit. Went for the kiss, she was receptive, and we alternated between making out and dancing. I told her I was staying nearby and that we should leave soon. She starts apologizing, saying that she's not ready to sleep with someone new, since she had just been broken up with a week prior. At this point, I don't feel like doing another lap around the bar looking for someone I'd be interested in with less than an hour left of the night, so we continue dancing, making out, and chatting a little bit here and there. By the very end of the night, I find out she's from Sacramento and visiting her friend, who is upstairs on the balcony of the club section, also making out with a guy. She says she wants to spend more time with me, but wants to see whether her friend is leaving with that guy, or whether they're going to leave together. Unfortunately, things don't work out with that other guy, so her friend comes and collects her from me, and they leave together. I have her phone number, and she's invited me to come visit her in Sacramento if I ever find time, saying she has her own place there.

And that was my Scottsdale experience.

The weather was a nice departure from the snow and ice of Delaware. Everybody I met was very kind, and they had some decent gyms too. However, if you're a single guy, I don't think you're going to have a great time.

Maybe it would've made a difference if I'd visited at a different time of year.

Maybe it would've made a difference if I stayed closer to Mill Ave and the college spots while ASU was still in session.

Who knows? But that's a summary of my week in Old Town Scottsdale, and all the Ls I took with it.

That sucks that you couldn’t score, but since you’re a seasoned member, I’m sure you know what factors may have caused it. You also painted a picture of what Scottsdale might be like in the dating scene, which is not only a curiosity but helpful. It was also kind of nice that another member there met up with you.

Either way, keep it up. I enjoy reading your FRs — don’t let the haters get to you.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Met a hot goth girl and her friends in the outdoor section. I came over, introduced myself, and danced with her for a bit. Went for the kiss, she was receptive, and we alternated between making out and dancing.

Nice. We love goth chicks around here