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Observations on Phoenix's Scene

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Imo the less people moving here, the better.
 

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83 degrees b1tches. Phuck yeah :p
 

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83 degrees b1tches. Phuck yeah :p
The high temperature today is still going to be over 100 degrees.

When I lived in Phoenix, I didn't think Phoenix got pleasant until high temperatures were below 90. In general, this happens around mid-October.
 

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The weather seems like it is starting to cool down in Phoenix. The summers at this point are too unbearable. The 31 consecutive days of 110+ this past summer doesn't seem viable for having a good time.
 

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The weather seems like it is starting to cool down in Phoenix. The summers at this point are too unbearable. The 31 consecutive days of 110+ this past summer doesn't seem viable for having a good time.
Not for cold approach, but it's good for the apps. Nothing to do but phuck. That being said, if you're courting a three-date-Kate you can save money this time of year with an outdoor date if she is structured and has a "process". But usually the "process" is a little more flexible under extreme weather conditions. The super hard cases will tend to stick to their guns and want an event date or dinner date, etc before sex if it's not feasible to do anything outdoors.
 
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Not for cold approach, but it's good for the apps. Nothing to do but phuck.
There is some indoor approaching that can be done during the warmer months.

The grocery stores are all air conditioned. If you're looking for a more upscale, likely fit woman, AJ's or Whole Foods are options. Fry's and Safeway would have broader appeal.

The malls are all air conditioned. Scottsdale Fashion Square is a good option for mall approaching.

That being said, if you're courting a three-date-Kate you can save money this time of year with an outdoor date if she is structured and has a "process". But usually the "process" is a little more flexible under extreme weather conditions. The super hard cases will tend to stick to their guns and want an event date or dinner date, etc before sex if it's not feasible to do anything outdoors.
Three Date Kate's are quite common in most major USA metros.

When I was in Phoenix, I found that Piestewa and Camelback were better for dates than for random approaches. At that point in time, I was less well versed on non-bar approaching. Do you think I have an accurate impression?

No dinner dates in restaurants prior to sex. That's a vital Manosphere rule.
 

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One place where men live beyond their means to try to impress women is in Scottsdale, Arizona (suburb of Phoenix). Scottsdale men of multiple ages (typically ranging from 20s-50s) use this tactic with the commonly found shallow, materialistic women who spend time in Scottsdale (typically at night in the Old Town Scottsdale bars). In general, the Phoenix area doesn't have a lot of good corporate jobs so a lot of white collar men go into debt to look the part to impress women. When something happens, like a recession hits, these men are exposed as phonies quickly. Repo trucks were everywhere in Scottsdale in 2007-2009 when the Great Recession hit.
The quote above comes from the Rolex thread.


Scottsdale is extremely image oriented. Scottsdale has always tried to position itself as an affluent suburb. At one time, that was more true. That time was more of the 1970s-1990s. Even in the 1970s-1990s, Scottsdale wasn't the most affluent part of Metro Phoenix. Back then, Paradise Valley was the #1 spot for affluence and it still is today. Since the late 1990s, Scottsdale has been invaded by debt ridden phonies trying to project an image of affluence.

The more affluent people in Metro Phoenix live in Paradise Valley and in the Biltmore and Arcadia neighborhoods in Phoenix.

Scottsdale attracts younger singles (typically 22-35) in the southern parts of the city, closest to the Old Town Scottsdale district. The northern parts of Scottsdale (often considered north of Shea) are more suburban and more of debt ridden couples trying to look affluent. There are definitely divorcees up in North Scottsdale, and these are 35+ women.
 

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The NFL playoffs start today.

The last NFL playoff game was in February 2023. It was Super Bowl LVII (57) between the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles and the game was played in Glendale, AZ (suburb of Phoenix).

The Phoenix area has hosted the Super Bowl 4 times: 1996, 2008, 2015, and 2023. The 2008, 2015, and 2023 games were at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, which opened in 2006. The 1996 was at Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe, closer to one of the more active nightlife areas in Metro Phoenix. Sun Devil Stadium is on the campus of Arizona State University. The NFL's Arizona Cardinals and the Arizona State Sun Devils NCAA program shared a stadium from 1988-2005.

For those in Phoenix now, how would you describe the energy around Super Bowl week in Phoenix? Do you think the bar scene changes that week? Easier tourist pussie? I wonder if there was still a pandemic hangover in the air around Phoenix's scene last year as compared to the 2008 and 2015 Super Bowls.
 

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Lol these NPC's can't think of anything better to do than get embarrassingly drunk at a PGA event when it's 45 degrees and raining.


Lol gotta be seen at the Waste Management Open in godawful (for AZ) miserable weather. Status!!!!

Maybe this is God's way of trying to flush the toilet.
 
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Lol these NPC's can't think of anything better to do than get embarrassingly drunk at a PGA event when it's 45 degrees and raining.


Lol gotta be seen at the Waste Management Open in godawful (for AZ) miserable weather. Status!!!!
The Phoenix/Waste Management Open is a big deal in Metro Phoenix. It's held the same weekend as the Super Bowl every year.

The 16th hole is known for being the party spot. How would someone get laid from going to the 16th hole area? I also have a difficult time imagining that a lot of first dates result from a meeting at the golf tournament. Seems like more of a waste of time with friends or an established couples type thing.

I agree that these attendees are NPC's, especially this year. There are far better things to do than watch golf outdoors and get drunk in 45-50 degree weather with intermittent rain.
 

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Lol. Its not even TPC itself. Its the night scene after. Friends of mine were headed out and invited us. Hubby didn't want to go & busy gaming. He was fine with me going. Great time tonight. Places packed. Got to introduce a gal pal to a guy friend & they seemed to hit it off. Lots of out of town idiots too, lol.

Par for the course (pun intended).
 

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Its not even TPC itself. Its the night scene after.....Places packed..... Lots of out of town idiots too, lol.
Golf tournament attendees would likely go to night scene spots in Old Town and North Scottsdale. I imagine some Phoenix proper venues would be affected. The few night spots up at Desert Ridge would probably be more crowded.

Throughout the entirety of the winter months, plenty of out of town idiots go to nightlife venues. The Phoenix Open is probably peak idiot weekend, with the exception of the years when Phoenix hosts a Super Bowl.

I doubt many single women travel to Phoenix/Scottsdale to watch a golf tournament. That doesn't sound like the kind of thing that a group of 2-4 single women would do for a Girls Trip. I can imagine some out of town girlfriends/wives might accompany out of town boyfriends/husbands for it.

Plenty of venues across Phoenix wouldn't be affected by the Open. I can't imagine most of the venues west of Interstate 17 in West Phoenix, Glendale, or Peoria would have felt any impact. Those areas don't have much of a singles scene. Hipster and dive bars in Phoenix proper likely weren't affected either.
 

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From this thread...


Dallas and Phoenix seem like heavy commuter cities with nothing to do aside from concerts, sports, and drink at Hard Rock Cafe. Most of your women are going to be tied to social circles or crazy dog women. I am sorry, but I just don’t picture a single woman moving to Dallas or Phoenix on her own unless it is for employment or marriage purposes.
In Phoenix, there are people who fall into the pattern of being commuters who go to national chain bars/restaurants, spectator sports, and concerts.

A lot of those people I described don't live near Downtown Phoenix, Tempe, or in the southern parts of Scottsdale. Those are the areas that tend to have the singles dense neighborhoods. There are NPC's like that in the aforementioned singles dense neighborhoods though.

Phoenix doesn't have as good of corporate employment opportunities as Dallas, so far fewer people would move to Phoenix for employment purposes. Phoenix has a strong medical industry because of all of the old people who retire to the area, so a lot of women with medical-related jobs would move to Phoenix. General business corporate employment is weaker. It's more common to move to Phoenix for lifestyle reasons due to the nicer winter weather. Phoenix winters tend to be a bit overrated though. While the daytime highs are nice, it will often be in the 30s Fahrenheit in the early morning hours. It's not fun to be getting out of a nightlife venue at 2 AM with temperatures around 35-40 F.

Social circles in Phoenix are also weaker due to the area being very transplant heavy. Some social circles of mainly transplants do form in Phoenix but they are weaker than social circles of mainly local area natives. There aren't that many local area natives because Metro Phoenix has more than doubled in population since 1990. Transplant heavy cities tend be very much app dating cities because few people have a good enough social circle for introductions. There are plenty of dog owners on the apps in Phoenix.
 
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