Nutrition poll for ppl looking to LOSE WEIGHT

[madgame]

Please dont assume its a trick question and then choose the other option.

Answer the poll the way you would answer, if I was not asking you this (This is totally CRUCIAL!)


Ill explain the purpose of it later.

 

[blinkwatt]

What kind of peanuts? Unsalted peanuts are actually healthy and help you lose weight.

 

[EFFORT]

A lot of my friends ask me questions like this....is xyz bad for you? Is it ok to have X food? If i eat Y will i lose weight? What is better for losing/gaining weight X or Y?

Questions like this show your missing the big picture. I always respond by saying what matters is your daily/weekly/monthly calories and there break down in grams of protein, carbs, fats and ask them if they have that information, which they don't...so i point them to fitday.com to record down a weeks worth of eating and from there we can work.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Why the F*%! am I the only one that voted for peanuts? :cuss:

 

[John_Galt]

What time of day are you eating these treats? Where are these meals in comparison to your workout? These two questions will determine the answer. Two people could eat the samethings each day(assuming they have identical bodies structures and metabolisms) and one could put on weight and the other take it off depending on when they eat it and the time of their workout.

 

[madgame]

@Effort:

Im not missing the big picture I was just asking this question to get some confirmation what I wanted to post after that poll.

@John:

Thats funny as usually Im the one who ppl tell hes overanalyzing lol..but anyways maybe I should have just asked which one has more calories/fat..but I wanted to put it in a more general way.

@everybody who voted for spaghetti:

There are 2 common mistakes people make when choosing their food (who want to diet/stay in shape).

1) They assume that if a meal is big it must have tons of calories. If its little it cant have many calories. They associate the amount of calories with size of the food.

2) They assume hot meals(expression?!)..as in cooked meals have more calories than cold meals(exp?).

Now look at a package of spaghetti to see how many grams of spaghetti it contains..those that I buy over here always have 500gram. Say I want to eat a fairly big plate, 150gram of spaghetti (weigh them before you cook them) would be more than enough for me actually (I usually eat a bit less than that).

My spaghetti have 385kcal per 100g = 577.5 kcal

The tomatoe sauce (Im too lazy to make my own but there are some good tasting ones at the supermarket, too ;-)) has 90kcal per 100g/110ml or so. 200g/220ml is definitely enough and that is 180 more kcal.

All in all 757.5kcal for a big plate of spaghetti with tomatoe sauce...if you try to not eat a too big meal you can eat a plate of spaghetti with tomatoe sauce that has 500kcal or so...plus spaghetti and the tomatoe sauce have little fat...

peanuts 146g:

854kcal + 72.5 grams of fat!

http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/16390.html



The bottom line is a plate of spaghetti has less calories than a cup of peanuts and WAY less fat.

The other day I saw a girl eating peanuts who said she did that so she wouldnt feel tempted to eat chocolate....

I also heard somebody who wanted to lose weight say: From now on Ill only eat one hot meal (exp?) per day

They have no idea whether the foods they eat are high/low in calories or fat, but just make vague assumptions based on intuition, which often fail when it comes to nutrition..

Another example: You can eat a plate with rice, turkey breast (dont use too much oil though, control it, too!) and ketchup + drink a glass of coke, which tastes pretty good and youll consume less calories/fat than if you were to eat a plate with a couple of slices of bread, with butter (pure calories and fat just like oil..) and salami (or other similar stuff u put on your bread every day) and a glass of orange juice (yeah orange juice is more healthy, but it doesnt have any less calories than coke has!People always assume coke must be reeeeal bad for your weight, whereas orange juice, BECAUSE its healthy will not make u gain weight..when its the same calorie-wise).

If any of you guys trying to lose weight need some nutrition tips just feel free to ask here and Ill try to help you...this might sound cheesy but I really hate knowing so many people would love to lose weight and its actually possible if you KNOW the basics of nutrition and have discipline...but 90% of those people who want to lose weight end up trying to starve themself or eat a diet that puts incredible stress on their minds..when its really not necessary (I used to be a bit like that, too when I did my first cutting cycle).

So if you got any questions about nutrition/foods ask here and Ill try to answer them (as well as other guys who know something about the topic, I guess).

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

The bottom line is a plate of spaghetti has less calories than a cup of peanuts and WAY less fat.

:cheer: Oh yeah, that's right, I knew it:cheer:

:cheer: Oh yeah, that's right, you blew it! :cheer:

 

[Throttle]

you ARE missing the big picture. this thread will do nothing but mislead a number of guys who stumble upon it. you're missing the forest for the trees here, and it's despicable. high-gi carbs (such as regular pasta) are bad, bad news for guys trying to lose significant bodyfat, whereas fat & calories are much less relevant than most guys are led to believe.

body composition is NOT all about calories and it's DEFINITELY not about fat content. to take one of your other examples: YES o.j. is just as bad as coke (insert drug/ex-NFL player joke here) but not because of the calories per se, but because of the amount of pure sugar in both. and o.j. at least has the benefit of being natural fructose rather than high fructose corn syrup. are both bad for losing bodyfat? you betcha.

the basics of nutrition that most guys need to understand are foods that are very useful (lean sources of protein, fibrous veggies & whole grains), foods that are highly counterproductive (anything loaded with sugar or other simple carbs) and foods that need to be balanced in moderation (most everything else). eat a larger number of smaller meals throughout the day & stop looking for a magic bullet, particularly in the form of a supplement.

also, you consistently talk about losing weight, when everyone's real goal is or should be losing bodyfat. it is entirely possible, appropriate, and desireable to maintain weight while recomposing the body through a commitment to the right combination of diet and exercise, rest and very limited supplementation.

putting the emphasis on losing weight rather than bodyfat only encourages a mistaken obsession with counting calories and cycles of starvation, deprivation, and over-compensation, rather than creating an efficient blast furnace that pushes every calorie consumed towards building lean muscle mass.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

For most people who are doing weight management along with exercise eating a standard plate of spaghetti with tomato sauce will do them a world of good, much more than a serving of nuts. The carbs and antioxidants are imperative to help combat free radicals and lactic acid build up while replenishing fatigued muscle fibers.

Now if the person is trying to loose weight by just eating less without exercising, perhaps there may be merit in some instances, however most nutritionist suggest limiting the intake of nuts to just a quarter of a cup once or twice a day max because of its high calorie content.

Unless a person is into bodybuilding where they are constantly tearing down muscle fibers so that they may be built upon, the need to focus on a primarily protein diet isn't necessary. For a healthy diet typically 40-65% carbs, 20-35% fat and only 10-35% protein is necessary.

Of course if you are transforming your body you would adjust the percentages to the types of exercises that you are doing. For weight loss you would limit fats and increase your complex carbs and focus on aerobic exercise and supplemental weight training. For weight gain (muscle building) you would increase your protein intake and focus on weight training with supplemental aerobic activity. I can't think or a reason to increase your fat intake though.

 

[simon]

40-65% carbs is necessary?

What is all this anti-fat rubbish? You can't think of a reason to increase fat intake? I'd suggest you do some reading of cholesterol studies, saturated fat studies, high carbs vs. low carb studies, and realise what a load of bull**** the low-fat, high-carb diet really is. Or alternatively just read the works of Anthony Colpo.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

40-65% carbs is necessary?

What is all this anti-fat rubbish? You can't think of a reason to increase fat intake? I'd suggest you do some reading of cholesterol studies, saturated fat studies, high carbs vs. low carb studies, and realise what a load of bull**** the low-fat, high-carb diet really is. Or alternatively just read the works of Anthony Colpo.

So you're saying that eating fats is better than eating vegitables, pastas, legumes and fruits... Yeahhhhh.... Riiiggghhhttt....

You run with that one, I'm sticking with my carbs and proteins.

 

[simon]

On a low-carb diet, you still eat plenty of vegetables and fruits, though mainly low-carb ones i.e. fibrous, green vegetables, some more starchy vegetables like carrots and sweet potato, berries, citrus fruits.

But I'd much rather increase my fat intake while decreasing my intake of ****ty carbs like pasta. Fat is not evil.

Interesting article at http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=4231 about low-fat diets.

 

[Throttle]

So you're saying that eating fats is better than eating vegitables, pastas, legumes and fruits...

you're lumping together all sorts of foods that have very different nutritional profiles. for a guy trying to lose weight (bodyfat!) vegetables and legumes have almost uniformly excellent nutritional profiles, while most pastas (whole wheat to a lesser extent) and fruits (especially juices) are heavy in the sort of carbs that produce an insulin response that packs on the bodyfat.

all of these foods have their useful purposes (nearly all foods do) but most guys trying to lose any significant amount of weight need to worry about more than just balancing calories in / calories out. that's the fallacy I'm attacking.

the benefit of fibrous foods is that they are highly satiating, as are foods with a balance of fat & protein. starchy and sugar foods produce an insulin crash that leaves you hungry again soon afterwards, sometimes even while your stomach is still full of food!

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

you're lumping together all sorts of foods that have very different nutritional profiles. for a guy trying to lose weight (bodyfat!) vegetables and legumes have almost uniformly excellent nutritional profiles, while most pastas (whole wheat to a lesser extent) and fruits (especially juices) are heavy in the sort of carbs that produce an insulin response that packs on the bodyfat.

That only happens if you live a sedimentary life. Those are the people who are desperate to cut out carbs from their lives. Anyone who is active eats complex carbohydrates for energy, not fat. When exercising carbs will be used sooner than any fat that you take in. Actually fats will inhibit the body's ability to burn carbs, that is how its converted to fat and stored.

If fruits were so bad why do the majority of doctors agree that people should eat several servings of fruits and vegetables per day? How many doctors tell you that you should have several servings of something that is primarily fat? Even the good monounsaturated fats are to be eaten in moderation.

Natural fruits have little effect on insulin compared to simple sugars and their substitutes including sucrose and fructose. This is another reason why whole, natural foods are great for nutrition. Have you ever seen a overweight person who had been using a vegetarian lifestyle?

 

[Skilla_Staz]

I think this whole poll thing was retarded.

Who honestly sits down and has an entire CUP of peanuts? A handful? Maybe. But a cup? thats a lot of f*cking peanuts.

Pastas: Simple carbs, whether you're active or not, will catch up to you. Unless you're constantly running around BURNING those simple carbs, you'll gain BF. I know I am...slowly.

It's friggin 5am..what the f*ck am i doing online....

 

[simon]

Anyone who is active eats complex carbohydrates for energy, not fat.

Bull****. There are plenty of people who are very active on a low-carb diet. Sure, low-carbing may not be the way to go if you do long distance running or any other endurance sport, but you certainly do not need carbohydrates for energy if you keep your activity within normal bounds.

If fruits were so bad why do the majority of doctors agree that people should eat several servings of fruits and vegetables per day?

Because eating like that is so many times better than how most of the world's population eat. Doctors should much rather have you eat more vegetables and less fruit.

How many doctors tell you that you should have several servings of something that is primarily fat? Even the good monounsaturated fats are to be eaten in moderation.

Why should they tell you that? Most doctors don't have the time to research for themselves. With their hectic lifestyles, it is much easier to just assimilate the information provided to you in summary form by the government. However, if you read the studies which label saturated fat 'bad fat', then you'd know that what the information that doctors are reading is wrong.

Did you even bother to read the article in the link I provided? The whole 'good fat' vs 'bad fat' thing is horse****. Rather than listening to me, you should be researching this stuff on your own, reading the works of Uffe Ravnskov and Anthony Colpo, (probably the better choice) or better yet, reading the studies for yourself.

Have you ever seen a overweight person who had been using a vegetarian lifestyle?

Yes. But you have to define 'vegetarian lifestyle'. This person eats a ****load of calorie dense foods, simple carbs, mixing carbs and fats, without doing any exercise, and hence is fat.

If you put any person on what I assume is a 'vegetarian lifestyle' diet, (i.e. low calorie, devoid of simple sugars) of course they're going to lose weight. But what's to say that's the best way?

 

[Skilla_Staz]

You got served...

 

[Throttle]

You got served...

you're still awake?

 

[Throttle]

That only happens if you live a sedimentary life. Those are the people who are desperate to cut out carbs from their lives. Anyone who is active eats complex carbohydrates for energy, not fat. When exercising carbs will be used sooner than any fat that you take in. Actually fats will inhibit the body's ability to burn carbs, that is how its converted to fat and stored.

news flash: most people in the world today are moving towards a very sedentary lifestyle (I like the 'sedimentary' freudian slip, that's good stuff). almost all people overestimate the amount of activity in their lives, particularly those of us 'lucky' enough to have desk jobs, even as they underestimate the amount of food on their plates at each & every meal. before we can gauge the amount of carbs necessary to give us energy through the day, we need to unhook ourselves from the high fructose corn syrup and refined wheat flour machines.

eating carbs & fat at the same time inhibits the body's ability to burn those carbs, so the relatively simple solution is to pair protein w/ fat and protein w/ complex carbs, and avoid mixing carbs & fat. that's easy to do with natural foods & much harder to do with most processed foods.

If fruits were so bad why do the majority of doctors agree that people should eat several servings of fruits and vegetables per day? How many doctors tell you that you should have several servings of something that is primarily fat? Even the good monounsaturated fats are to be eaten in moderation.

because most doctors buy the USDA bull driven by American agricultural interests, which treats radically different foods as "groups". IF you mean whole fruits, then there are better and worse options for fruits (the more fiber the better), but most people see this as a license to guzzle o.j. & other forms of sugar water. You're still mixing together fruits and vegetables. People hear "fruits and vegetables" while thinking "i hate all greens & vegetables" and reach immediately for the sweetest options, not the healthiest options. an apple a day? sure! but a whole one, skin and all.

I never argued that anyone should consume anything that is primarily fat. Rather, I am arguing that simple carbs are a bigger problem than any sort of fats, with the possible exception of transfats (which are nearly always found in processed and/or fried foods also loaded with refined sugars & starches).

Have you ever seen a overweight person who had been using a vegetarian lifestyle?

yes. next topic.

 

[Skilla_Staz]

you're still awake?

haha yeah, i was hung over yesterday and slept most of it...so come midnight, when i WOKE UP...i was up til around 7am