Now that we know women are feelings creatures...

[sosilky]

lol, i hear u too. man, tell me something, in a LTR, would u able to maintain all this techniques and tricks like eye contact, kino adn so on, push/pull to keep her interested, no, never! as a buddy, i want u to understand onething (maybe i stand here differently from some other buddies over here) that its ur value as a MAN that keeps her interest in you. no technique, nothing. why do u think some ex's still find their bf's so very charming even than brad pitt himself? because brad pitt stands for attraction and her ex-bf stands for attraction, trust adn comfort and more as a real person. am i getting off the point here? im not talking about pickups here, its about a relationship. and u still need to make her feel GOOD adn keep ur value as a MAN, and u can get away with whatever u want. make her change something of hers or get her to accept something of urs. Where u stand with this girl? are u into a relationship with this gal or are u not sure where u stand with this gal?

We're on the outs right now, we've been through it before, only time will tell if we hook up again, i'm ok with it, heres a great thread i found concerning keeping LTRs alive seeing as how we are on the subject....yet not trying to stray from the OP http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=134995

 

[sosilky]

Sounds like you've answered your question then. She sounds someone who likes to learn the hard way, in which case as hard as it to watch you just gotta let her make her own mistakes and move on.

One last thing i will add though, is the approach to setting someone straight. Maybe you would have had more success if you came at her from a different angle.

yup sometimes I think i've tried everything but in the end things probably are where they are now because of my what some may call overreacting. its a long story maybe when things have cooled off just focusing on myself now. Anyways, what were we talking about? lol

 

[DonGorgon]

haha I can't believe this post is coming from you. I would have never expected it. I do agree with you though.

It may not seem like it but I have been looking for love since my 8 year relationship ended 4 years ago.

whats messed up is when i meet a girl i really like i dont even get to F her cause i fall too quick and hard (AFC) then they run away... but when i meet a "F-only" prospect its easy to F them:nervous: ...

 

[DonGorgon]

Seems to be a Sticky thread in the Anything else forum concerning a LTR forum. maybe that would help us. There are girls out there that are good for relationships. A sad truth may be that alot of the women we come here seeking advice for just aren't relationship material...just maby

I swear i cant meet women who want an LTR... hold on , I do meet women in LTRs who are cheating on their boyfriends and husbands..

 

[sosilky]

I swear i cant meet women who want an LTR... hold on , I do meet women in LTRs who are cheating on their boyfriends and husbands..

Yikes! wrong crowd bro. there's good people out there. dare i say that mmaybe your not finding these chicks because deep down you find them boring? lol

 

[schttrj]

when u r really out with someone at the moment, its hard to expect that she will accept any of ur advice since u already left her world and thats why, its sometimes needed to let a girl know what u want from her because u need a important place in her world, so u need to reinforce ur existence at times. while i also agree and relate why u let her go and see other men as well, but u need to show when she is not meeting ur expectations. this keeps ur place of power, gives her space and still retains her interest. too much theory here, i m tired here. the trick is that u show her that u r not disturbed on her actions or whatever but that she is not meetin ur standards or she need to meet that.

anyways, straight to the point, get her into you and comfortable with you once again and then u can think of giving her any advice. how many times have we seen that when parents force their advice on their teenager son or daughter, it backfires while a understanding parent is a kind of friend of his child....

man, am i wrong here? and just to let u know, i think u r very intellectual indeed or simply smart adn i hav seen smart ppl tend to really go deeper in any subject they like, it is not because u are not going out into the field enough but because u think about this dating game more than us and that u have a bigger desire to be a topclass DJ more than us... i like it, dude!

 

[Desdinova]

ask urself and answer it honestly, arent we emotional creatures?

If I call myself an "emotional creature", I swear my d1ck will fall off.

But when it comes to realy getting to her root and influencing her in a better way, say to stop drinking, hanging out with deuch bag loser friends or convince her your not like other guys that have hurt her while at the same time keeping her attracted to you thats hard.

First things first, you need to attract her and establish some kind of a relationship with her. At the beginning of the relationship, that's when you let her know what you will not tolerate. Whether it's hanging out with ex-bfs or lying to you, you must let her know you won't tolerate it.

You can influence a woman's decisions, but you cannot change her habits. If she KNOWS that you'll cut her off if she crosses the wrong line, then she will do her best to avoid pissing you off. Also, if she already has problems (like being an alcoholic or druggie) then you should not be with her.

A woman who is attracted to you will want to keep you around. Causing her emotions to fluctuate will keep her around because feeling the same thing all the time is BORING. Being late once in a while will cause her to worry. But then you come over and tell her you couldn't find your keys which is why you're late. Walking by without kissing her will cause her to wonder if you're not feeling attracted to her. Then when she mentions it, you drag her into the bedroom and fvck her. That's how you cause her emotions to fluctuate. Basically, you're causing drama in her life. Even the smallest things can be incredibly dramatic, and women need it to avoid becoming bored in the relationship.

She would always say ...

That's the problem. Women will talk logical, but they cannot act logical.

Men will try to understand a woman's logic. Women will try to understand a man's emotions. They will fail to understand each other.

Once you quit trying to understand a woman's logic and instead focus on understanding her emotion, then it will make perfect sense.

 

[schttrj]

If I call myself an "emotional creature", I swear my d1ck will fall off.

oops i just feel mine has fell off but still feel good that yes, im not a robot and have emotions,not a some meat or something

First things first, you need to attract her and establish some kind of a relationship with her. At the beginning of the relationship, that's when you let her know what you will not tolerate. Whether it's hanging out with ex-bfs or lying to you, you must let her know you won't tolerate it.

You can influence a woman's decisions, but you cannot change her habits. If she KNOWS that you'll cut her off if she crosses the wrong line, then she will do her best to avoid pissing you off. Also, if she already has problems (like being an alcoholic or druggie) then you should not be with her.

A woman who is attracted to you will want to keep you around. Causing her emotions to fluctuate will keep her around because feeling the same thing all the time is BORING. Being late once in a while will cause her to worry. But then you come over and tell her you couldn't find your keys which is why you're late. Walking by without kissing her will cause her to wonder if you're not feeling attracted to her. Then when she mentions it, you drag her into the bedroom and fvck her. That's how you cause her emotions to fluctuate. Basically, you're causing drama in her life. Even the smallest things can be incredibly dramatic, and women need it to avoid becoming bored in the relationship.

very right here, agree with u

That's the problem. Women will talk logical, but they cannot act logical.

Men will try to understand a woman's logic. Women will try to understand a man's emotions. They will fail to understand each other.

Once you quit trying to understand a woman's logic and instead focus on understanding her emotion, then it will make perfect sense.

ok, some modification here: in psychology, they say, women have logic and a man has emotions but its only that emotions defeat the logic more often in women and logic defeats the emotions more often in men, so better if u just affect her logic with in tune with her emotions. thats it.

 

[sosilky]

If I call myself an "emotional creature", I swear my d1ck will fall off.



First things first, you need to attract her and establish some kind of a relationship with her. At the beginning of the relationship, that's when you let her know what you will not tolerate. Whether it's hanging out with ex-bfs or lying to you, you must let her know you won't tolerate it.

You can influence a woman's decisions, but you cannot change her habits. If she KNOWS that you'll cut her off if she crosses the wrong line, then she will do her best to avoid pissing you off. Also, if she already has problems (like being an alcoholic or druggie) then you should not be with her.

A.

Thanx desdinova, always flattered when a moderator drops knowledge in my thread. i did establish a relationship with her . I think my methods for getting threw to her should have been more suttle though

 

[sosilky]

when u r really out with someone at the moment, its hard to expect that she will accept any of ur advice since u already left her world and thats why, its sometimes needed to let a girl know what u want from her because u need a important place in her world, so u need to reinforce ur existence at times. while i also agree and relate why u let her go and see other men as well, but u need to show when she is not meeting ur expectations. this keeps ur place of power, gives her space and still retains her interest. too much theory here, i m tired here. the trick is that u show her that u r not disturbed on her actions or whatever but that she is not meetin ur standards or she need to meet that.

anyways, straight to the point, get her into you and comfortable with you once again and then u can think of giving her any advice. how many times have we seen that when parents force their advice on their teenager son or daughter, it backfires while a understanding parent is a kind of friend of his child....

man, am i wrong here? and just to let u know, i think u r very intellectual indeed or simply smart adn i hav seen smart ppl tend to really go deeper in any subject they like, it is not because u are not going out into the field enough but because u think about this dating game more than us and that u have a bigger desire to be a topclass DJ more than us... i like it, dude!

right on.

 

[sosilky]

so better if u just affect her logic with in tune with her emotions. thats it.

I got confused there

 

[DonGorgon]

Yikes! wrong crowd bro. there's good people out there. dare i say that mmaybe your not finding these chicks because deep down you find them boring? lol

Nah the women i meet have so many men in rotation that they can never focus on one long enough to build anything...

 

[schttrj]

ok, i was being bit of a smartass i think, i suck i know lol

what i actually meant is that her emotions is something what u should always have control over and then when u have control over her emotions, then u can try to affect her logic or thinking about something.

 

[Desdinova]

in psychology, they say, women have logic and a man has emotions but its only that emotions defeat the logic more often in women and logic defeats the emotions more

Yes. But what I'm talking about here is how women and men generally try to understand each other. A man will try to figure out how a woman's logic works. But her logic will NOT work when emotion overrides it. Example: A woman says she loves her boyfriend, but then she fvcks another guy. There's absolutely no logic there - she says she lover her man, but she isn't true to her word. The answer: She became attracted to another man, so attracted that her boyfriend didn't matter at that point in time. Her emotions override her logic.

Now on the other side of things, a woman goes out on a date with a man. He buys her flowers and she doesn't call him back. Woman immediately thinks "he just wants to get me into bed". She automatically thinks that the man is functioning on his emotion. In most cases, the man is trying to impress the woman with a romantic gift so she'll stick around. It's logical and it should work, but obviously it doesn't. However, since it's logical, the man will continue to do it over and over again, because the formula SHOULD work. When it continues to fail, the man will think he's ugly.

And that's another problem. Men automatically think women go for looks first, and women automatically think men go for personality first.

Of course, men can have their emotions override logic, and women can have logic override emotion. The same goes for the looks vs personality debate. But that's not how it works most of the time.

 

[sosilky]

Men automatically think women go for looks first, and women automatically think men go for personality first.

r u sure about this?

 

[Desdinova]

r u sure about this?

From what I've seen. I know too many goddam AFCs who think "what if she thinks I'm ugly" and women who encourage their ugly girlfriends by telling them that they have a great personality and any man would want them.

How many men do you know say "Wow, she's got such a great personality that it makes my d1ck hard"?

 

[sosilky]

From what I've seen. I know too many goddam AFCs who think "what if she thinks I'm ugly" and women who encourage their ugly girlfriends by telling them that they have a great personality and any man would want them.

How many men do you know say "Wow, she's got such a great personality that it makes my d1ck hard"?

well personality is important to me. but the book does have to have a good cover as well.

 

[schttrj]

Yes. But what I'm talking about here is how women and men generally try to understand each other. A man will try to figure out how a woman's logic works. But her logic will NOT work when emotion overrides it. Example: A woman says she loves her boyfriend, but then she fvcks another guy. There's absolutely no logic there - she says she lover her man, but she isn't true to her word. The answer: She became attracted to another man, so attracted that her boyfriend didn't matter at that point in time. Her emotions override her logic.

there is a logic here and we are fool that we do not understand it. It is that she has found a better person that can satisfy her needs or wishes better than this man.

Now on the other side of things, a woman goes out on a date with a man. He buys her flowers and she doesn't call him back. Woman immediately thinks "he just wants to get me into bed". She automatically thinks that the man is functioning on his emotion. In most cases, the man is trying to impress the woman with a romantic gift so she'll stick around. It's logical and it should work, but obviously it doesn't. However, since it's logical, the man will continue to do it over and over again, because the formula SHOULD work. When it continues to fail, the man will think he's ugly.

im sorry if i am really the biggest dumb in this site, but i just cant see the fact why a man should try to impress the girl with flowers first of all? because he wants sex from her, thats it. when we go out to meet our male or female buddies, do we carry a box of chocolate and flower bouquet with us? no. unless its some special occasion of course. so why would u actually go on a first date with a girl with flowers or whtever because u r seeing her as a potential mate, she knows that and thats why she was thinking all that crap but we all know what she was thinking is correct. man, i am myself a man and my logic made me understand.

And that's another problem. Men automatically think women go for looks first, and women automatically think men go for personality first.

Of course, men can have their emotions override logic, and women can have logic override emotion. The same goes for the looks vs personality debate. But that's not how it works most of the time.

i really dont understand why do we make matters so complicated when it comes to women? see, we can always understand quality sane women but who we cant understand are what we call the female players or AWs or such. they act in such a way that we cant get any logic work in that. but what do we need to do in such situation, play the game in their way, thats it. give them a taste of their own medicine. simple. if u cant or dont want to, then just move on.

i think the most of us guys suffer when it comes to just meet and open women. thats it. we simply struggle at this part. and even if we do, we do it in a 'it sucks' way...

and another thing, i dont know why but i feel i would never compromise on someones personality even if she is a HB 10, i may be instantly attracted but that would not be for long.

 

[Desdinova]

well personality is important to me. but the book does have to have a good cover as well.

I'm not saying that the personality doesn't matter, but the first thing to catch your attention about a woman is how good she looks.

i think the most of us guys suffer when it comes to just meet and open women. thats it. we simply struggle at this part. and even if we do, we do it in a 'it sucks' way...

It's kinda funny when I think back to when I was intimidated by women. I've almost forgotten what it's like to be afraid to approach a woman and even say "hi". Now I can just go up and start a random conversation with anybody. Shows how long I've been here. But I'm getting off track...

we can always understand quality sane women but who we cant understand are what we call the female players or AWs or such. they act in such a way that we cant get any logic work in that.

Again, once you quit trying to find the logic in her behavior and find the logic in her emotion, that's when it all makes sense. There is little emotion when it comes to AWs, except maybe wanting attention. You CAN get the AW attracted to you if you get her emotions working. But AWs are bottom-of-the-barrel women as they're usually high maintenance and loaded with baggage.

Also, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what a "female player" is. The only thing I can think of is a "Rules Girl", but who the hell would want to date one of those? She's only out to find a marriage partner because she can hear her biological clock ticking.

 

[sosilky]

as they're usually high maintenance and loaded with baggage.

Also, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what a "female player" is. The only thing I can think of is a "Rules Girl", but who the hell would want to date one of those? She's only out to find a marriage partner because she can hear her biological clock ticking.

Maybe a female player is just another name for an AW