Triple X
Senior Don Juan
OK guys, listen up. Here is a problem I seem to be having - and I need some advice.
Like so many of us on here - I used to be a 'nice guy'. In fact it makes me cringe when I think back to my days of being a full-on chump. I was always 'too nice' and this used to be my downfall.
So nowadays I am a RAFC.. and day by day I am gradually increasing in confidence and strength, and most importantly of all - NOT TAKING SH*T. From anyone.
We have all heard the cliches. 'Treat em mean, keep 'em keen', 'Women like bad boys', 'Women love to be treated like sh*t' etc. So I thought I'd try and put this into practice (not too much, obviously. But just subtly, to see the effect it has)
So here's the problem - I'm really not very good at treating women like sh*t. I have no experience in this field (!) and I don't seem to be able to do it very well at all. I'm still generally a nice person and I'm not good at 'being bad'.
In a lot of my recent interactions with women I have tried to include a bit of 'talking down to them' into my game, ie with the purpose of establishing myself as superior, and most importantly the PRIZE. Not being rude... but things like calling them on their sh*t, laughing at them when they f*** up... things like that.
But... all I seem to be managing to do is p***ing them off. Don't get me wrong I'm being subtle and only doing it when necessary.. but it seems to be anything but beneficial when it comes to gaming them.
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For example I am talking to this girl (OK its via email but whatever, it still counts! lol) and the conversation is going fine, pretty damn flirty. But when she asks me what I thought of something she did, I responded with something ****y along the lines of 'yeah you were good, but not quite good enough yet for my standards'.. something like that.
What happens? The tone of the conversation COMPLETELY drops. She is offended and basically tells me to go f*** myself (in a more polite way). She then proceeds to cut off the conversation pretty instantly.
(Hardly onto a winner there..)
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Another example: A girl at work tries to TELL me I have to answer the phone, often (when it could be anyone). So when she says 'its yours, mate' I say back 'Don't think so, MATE' blatantly taking the p*** and refusing to do what she says. What happens? An argument (even though I was joking and not too bothered, she gets enraged and starts getting at me even more).
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OK so these aren't the best examples, but they're the best I can think of right now. The point I'm making is everytime I try and treat a women 'bad', like they supposedly want, all they seem to do is take offence and then not speak to me so much (or even at all). It certainly seems to be detrimental when gaming them.
Yet we've all seen these pricks who beat their women regularly, constantly put them down... and they LOVE IT!! So what I am doing wrong?? Do the women not respect (or even fear) me enough?? Or do I need to be 'nice' and respectful after all?
What's going on? Can anyone enlighten me?!?

Like so many of us on here - I used to be a 'nice guy'. In fact it makes me cringe when I think back to my days of being a full-on chump. I was always 'too nice' and this used to be my downfall.
So nowadays I am a RAFC.. and day by day I am gradually increasing in confidence and strength, and most importantly of all - NOT TAKING SH*T. From anyone.
We have all heard the cliches. 'Treat em mean, keep 'em keen', 'Women like bad boys', 'Women love to be treated like sh*t' etc. So I thought I'd try and put this into practice (not too much, obviously. But just subtly, to see the effect it has)
So here's the problem - I'm really not very good at treating women like sh*t. I have no experience in this field (!) and I don't seem to be able to do it very well at all. I'm still generally a nice person and I'm not good at 'being bad'.
In a lot of my recent interactions with women I have tried to include a bit of 'talking down to them' into my game, ie with the purpose of establishing myself as superior, and most importantly the PRIZE. Not being rude... but things like calling them on their sh*t, laughing at them when they f*** up... things like that.
But... all I seem to be managing to do is p***ing them off. Don't get me wrong I'm being subtle and only doing it when necessary.. but it seems to be anything but beneficial when it comes to gaming them.
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For example I am talking to this girl (OK its via email but whatever, it still counts! lol) and the conversation is going fine, pretty damn flirty. But when she asks me what I thought of something she did, I responded with something ****y along the lines of 'yeah you were good, but not quite good enough yet for my standards'.. something like that.
What happens? The tone of the conversation COMPLETELY drops. She is offended and basically tells me to go f*** myself (in a more polite way). She then proceeds to cut off the conversation pretty instantly.
(Hardly onto a winner there..)
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Another example: A girl at work tries to TELL me I have to answer the phone, often (when it could be anyone). So when she says 'its yours, mate' I say back 'Don't think so, MATE' blatantly taking the p*** and refusing to do what she says. What happens? An argument (even though I was joking and not too bothered, she gets enraged and starts getting at me even more).
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OK so these aren't the best examples, but they're the best I can think of right now. The point I'm making is everytime I try and treat a women 'bad', like they supposedly want, all they seem to do is take offence and then not speak to me so much (or even at all). It certainly seems to be detrimental when gaming them.
Yet we've all seen these pricks who beat their women regularly, constantly put them down... and they LOVE IT!! So what I am doing wrong?? Do the women not respect (or even fear) me enough?? Or do I need to be 'nice' and respectful after all?
What's going on? Can anyone enlighten me?!?