NoFap August 2018.

[TheMonkeyKing]

Who's in?

 

[Gan]

Lesgo. Day 5.

 

[corrector]

Lets all create a little jackpot and each contribute like $ 20.00 per participant and the winner takes all the spoils at the end (i.e. or it's divided up whoever wins). If you fap then you would forfeit claims to the jackpot. What program would do that?

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

For the habituated, this will be one of the most difficult things you have tried in your life. Reason lies as a thin veneer over a lava-laden core, and it will seek to break out at regular intervals in all its fury. It will take a long process to pacify it. The reality is you will trip up, but just carry on. You'll trip up again, but you'll notice you got further down the road. Rinse and repeat.

And then a resiliency will start to build within yourself, an impulse control, which will lead eventually to a 'rebalancing of power' within yourself. It's all relative - your will power will seem to strengthen relative to the urge; the urge is weakening relative to your rational desire. You are now on the road to freedom.

See it as a process, and do not get discouraged if/ when you fail at times. It is this qualitative change within yourself that you are looking for, not just a number of days.

 

[Spaz]

I'm intrigued.

After u get ur superpowers, let me know the before and after % of lays u had.

Or its just the placebo effect that works on kids and the terminally ill.

 

[zekko]

Or its just the placebo effect that works on kids and the terminally ill.

An interesting thought. I wonder how much of this is a placebo effect? I've always thought a lot of PUA methods worked like that. Someone says "Here's the secret to getting girls, you now know a secret that 97% of guys don't know. Be careful when you use it, because it is very powerful". So guys believe that they know the secret, and that gives them confidence to get out there and try, and expect positive results. If you believe abstaining from masturbation will give you certain benefits, you're probably more likely to receive them.

 

[wifehunter]

Sorry.

I would, however, qualify for NoBang.

 

[skinnyguy]

I'm in.

Day 1

 

[Spaz]

An interesting thought. I wonder how much of this is a placebo effect? I've always thought a lot of PUA methods worked like that. Someone says "Here's the secret to getting girls, you now know a secret that 97% of guys don't know. Be careful when you use it, because it is very powerful". So guys believe that they know the secret, and that gives them confidence to get out there and try, and expect positive results. If you believe abstaining from masturbation will give you certain benefits, you're probably more likely to receive them.

Yeah, but since it's fake, it's not sustainable long term.

And then they've back to the same place where they started off.

Confidence with women is achieved by having knowledge (principles - game/others) + how you do things.

It is Frame.

 

[zekko]

Confidence with women is achieved by having knowledge (principles - game/others) + how you do things.

I think real confidence with women comes from getting positive reactions from them. That's when you know you can be successful and attractive. A lot of guys who struggle have had bad experiences early on, which makes them question themselves. Similarly, they say naturals are guys who had positive experiences with girls early on, so they knew they were attractive, and their confidence snowballed from there.

As for NoFapping, my opinion has always been, from reading numerous threads on the subject, that it affects everybody differently. Some people benefit from abstaining, some guys it doesn't affect one way or the other. And everything else in between. For whatever reason. My own experience is that at a certain point, I get some benefits, but then they quickly fall back off to normal.

Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread here.

 

[Spaz]

I think real confidence with women comes from getting positive reactions from them. That's when you know you can be successful and attractive.

Common world view. It's flawed.

And that's why plenty of men end up confused when it tapers off.

Lots of guys change their life narratives that puts power at the woman, meaning they do things in the hope of getting women or getting laid. Yes it works once in a while but it's always not sustainable. It put you in a loop.

These r methods/techniques of a defeatist.

And that's why any ideology such as nofap, hypergamy, mgtow, cratered smv will ultimately fail because it is borne out of a defeatist mindset.

You should observe men who constantly win, at women, in their professional life, social life, and/or in any possible setting thrown at them.

Men who is used to winning knows that power comes and emanates from themselves.

I repeat once more; power/principles/confidence/success/etc = how u think + how u do things.

And how u think defines how u do things.

Everyone here is so preoccupied with "how they do things" not knowing it's their mindset that needs to be strengthen.

 

[zekko]

Men who is used to winning knows that power comes and emanates from themselves

That's true, but it only works if the men are "used to winning". Just talking strictly about women here. Guys build real confidence because they win, or because they have positive results. Then they can say that the power came from themselves and they made it happen.
A guy who consistently gets bad reactions from women is not going to have the same confidence that a guy who has been successful does.

 

[Spaz]

Zekko I believe u know deep down that confidence just doesn't work with only women, it must be an all rounder trait.

And that's why men continously fail.

Feeling a moment of braveness by using nofap is a poor subsitute don't u agree?

It will taper off and then another new ideology?

 

[zekko]

Zekko I believe u know deep down that confidence just doesn't work with only women, it must be an all rounder trait.

I was speaking specifically of confidence with women. But IMO just because you are confident about one thing doesn't mean you will be confident at something else. A guy might be good (and confident) at playing the piano, but put him in a ****pit of a plane and tell him to fly it and he may not be so confident, for example. So yeah, like you said before, knowledge is a part of that. Knowledge and experience.

As for nofap, like I said, I think it comes down to the individual. If some guys reap a benefit from abstaining, I have no problem with that. I'm sure many guys need to cut down, some take it too far, it can be a waste of time and energy. But I know guys who bang a lot of girls, but their sex drive is crazy, so they fap multiple times a day. Doesn't seem to be hurting them socially any. That's an extreme case, but I don't see any harm in using it as an occasional release. I do think porn has a high potential for being harmful, because it desensitizes the brain.

 

[Spaz]

We do agree that porn watching is harmful.

Harmful if it's excessive.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Day 4. Hungover to fck. The urge is strong today.

 

[resilient]

I'm around day 12 right now. I'm not going to count days this time though and just stick to the plan. I'll chime in here if I slip up or struggle.

 

[Murk]

I'm in.

Day 1

Same. LEGO