"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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no wonder she flaked

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I went on a date with a girl and at the end of it, I actually told her that I wanted to kiss her (I'm a no confidence pu$$y). She said not in front of her house (I'm an awkward little b1tch who let a girl lead) so I pulled up so I wasn't in front of her house. We kissed for a bit and then chilled until she went in. She texted me the day after so I eventually set up a date. She ended up flaking. I think it was because my lack of smoothness that night. Does this make sense?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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How do you not be a timid little fagg0t? I mean, did I come off as shy? I'm not fvcking shy
 
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no. They should have a pathetic young adult forum. I need to learn how to stop being a shy little fagg0t with girls. I can't be. That's not who I am
 
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Giantsfan88 said:
How do you not be a timid little fagg0t? I mean, did I come off as shy? I'm not fvcking shy
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Dude woah don't be so hard on yourself..

Sure your date didn't seem very adult like.. Seemed like a thing middle schoolers/teenagers would do..

But who cares? Don't beat yourself up over it.. There's always room for improvement. 1 girl flaking on you is not the end of the world.
 
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Relax. Use every interaction with a girl as a learning experience Non of this will happen overnight. Go to the gym.

Constantly test yourself. Each time, each approach or kiss or whatever it is, it will get easier and you will learn. Listen to the folks here as well, they will help.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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she flaked on you cause she is not into you, not because you asked her to kiss her.
 
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Feel up her ass. Pull her into you, move your hand up her thigh to her butt and squeeze. She will like that better than a kiss (do that also) and she will think about sex instead of weird crap. Easy. If she doesn't want her butt squeezed too bad, so sad. You just hand raped her. Let her stop it. She won't.

Butt squeeze -> better second date results

KingofPuss is totally right when he said you learned. It makes all the difference to feel it flow right or wrong. Good ****ing job getting out there and trying.
 
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No, I'm not explaining myself well. It doesn't have to do with it being one date. I didn't learn anything. I've been in this situation plenty of times. I'm not some beta fagg0t. I know what I'm doing with girls. This is unlike me. That's why it's frustrating. I'm venting. I don't understand. I didn't give enough details.
 
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grayclif said:
Relax. Use every interaction with a girl as a learning experience Non of this will happen overnight. Go to the gym.

Constantly test yourself. Each time, each approach or kiss or whatever it is, it will get easier and you will learn. Listen to the folks here as well, they will help.
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IM 24 IM FVCKING FINE. I DONT NEED THIS BULLSH1T. I SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN WROTE THIS IN HERE. I SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT IN A FVCKING JOURNAL. NOW I SUBJECTED MYSELF TO A BUNCH OF ASSH0LES TELLING ME TO IMPROVE MYSELF BASED ON SOME OUT OF CONTEXT INFORMATION. I DUNNO IF I FVCKED UP. MAYBE I DID. MAYBE I DIDNT
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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KingofPuss said:
Yah man don't beat yourself up over a woman you went on ONE date with.

For future reference, if the date went well, when you pull up to her place just go straight in for the make out sesh. It has NEVER failed me. But you need to learn if she's into you and wants it. Study up on IOI's and learn to read body language (from literature and real life experience).

So look here, you failed on this one, but you LEARNED what not to do in the future. And that's more important than anything that could have come of this woman. So congratulate yourself on getting better.
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FVCK YOU. WHAT I DID WASNT THAT BAD. MAYBE I WAS EXHAUSTED OUT OF MY MIND CAUSE I DIDNT SLEEP THE WHOLE NIGHT BEFORE. I CAN READ BODY LANGUAGE. FVCK YOU THINK I HAVE ASPERGERS SYNDROME? IVE DONE THIS SOOO MANY TIMESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I knew this was a Troll post. Delete thread
 
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Man this thread got out of control pretty fast.

All you need to know about cancelled dates is that it is a sign of low interest. That is it, the reasons for low interest are not really that important. Don't worry about one date with one woman... There are billions out there all you need to do is find a couple that have enough interest to keep dates.... it's not that hard. Flush this one and move on.

I will say this though... in the future don't ask permission from a woman. She really doesn't like that. She wants you to be in control.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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HOW DID I ASK PERMISSION? OH MY GOD DUDE. PLEASE. I KNOW IT GOT OUT OF CONTROL. BUT I DEFINITELY BEGGED AND LOOKED LIKE A WIMP? LIKE A WUSS? A FAG? JUST SAY IT. I DONT WANNA MOVE ON. I WANNA SEE NOBODY
 
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HOW DID I ASK PERMISSION? OH MY GOD DUDE. PLEASE. I KNOW IT GOT OUT OF CONTROL. BUT I DEFINITELY BEGGED AND LOOKED LIKE A WIMP? LIKE A WUSS? A FAG? JUST SAY IT. I DONT WANNA MOVE ON. I WANNA SEE NOBODY
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You told her you wanted to kiss her and she told you okay, placing conditions on how this was going to happen, and you agreed. If you wanted to kiss her then you should have just gone for it. If she didn't want to kiss you she would have turned her head and you would have gotten her cheek... then you would know she has low interest in you, so you can flush and find another girl.

So you are going MGTOW... okay, no problem no need to stay here anymore.... go buy subscriptions to porn sites, get a jar of Vasoline, and go after things you want and forget women. I'm not saying this isn't an option, I know plenty of guys that have just given up on women and they seem perfectly happy. There are PLENTY of MGTOWs that have done great things, Issac Newton, Michael Angelo, go be one of them.... you'll save a lot of money and your career will just hum right along.

This forum is about men who are trying to figure out modern relationships and how to navigate the world of dating... understand the true hypergamous nature of women and what they really respond too rather than what society and the media says in this feminist created modern nightmare.
 
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