no physical reciprocation after second date? being used for money vs moving slow?

[qallus]

Sixth sense is telling me you're getting used .

sexual contact aside from getting you some pleasure is about calibrating the relationship, and if she isn’t reciprocating you simply stop seeing her, what’s the point? Move on

Always be escalating

date one should be first intimating (verbally, kino or both) that you’re going for the kiss or physical contact and then you attempt to follow through, and then the you calibrate accordingly, meaning you either cut it or you move on if there is a crystal clear valid reason, but 9/10 times I’m out if something doesn’t happen

date two is earned as a result of date one, you should be sliding hands onto and ideally into pants, again you’re also using sexual verbal language and tones of voice

date three, again earned, should be sex


Remember sex starts in the mind. You have to give her a little taste then pull back, push pull as they say, but this can be done all on date one if handled properly, meaning there is an opportunity for sex on all these dates but definitely by date 3, (it’s a game they play sometimes)

don’t take any advice from @ValiantMale he’s a recycled poster who admitted being a trailer park incel , I had Grok analyze his posts

well she agreed to a third date, just quick coffee, so she’s not getting anything monetary out of it. what should protocol here be? continue escalation as before? go for a kiss if she’s showing signs or should i keep it more casual?

 

[Bingo-Player]

At 21 I don't see much point in trying to do dating majority of your interactions should be coming from casual social things

Women of this age are highly sexually active anyway they don't need or really expect fancy formal dates too jump into bed with you , they will fvck on a whim

I wouldn't be wasting my money on expensive planned dates at this age that likely aren't going to go anywhere

If anything by making it so formal its giving the wrong signals to her remember most chicks in this age range are not looking to settle down they are in their prime and are happily riding the c0ck carousel

Its when they get passed 26 the expectations generally start to rise

At this age i would just focus on being " that guy" who knows where all the parties are and has access to cool people and maybe one or two drug dealers

You'll get laid

Its literally as easy as that

 

[qallus]

At 21 I don't see much point in trying to do dating majority of your interactions should be coming from casual social things

Women of this age are highly sexually active anyway they don't need or really expect fancy formal dates too jump into bed with you , they will fvck on a whim

I wouldn't be wasting my money on expensive planned dates at this age that likely aren't going to go anywhere

If anything by making it so formal its giving the wrong signals to her remember most chicks in this age range are not looking to settle down they are in their prime and are happily riding the c0ck carousel

Its when they get passed 26 the expectations generally start to rise

At this age i would just focus on being " that guy" who knows where all the parties are and has access to cool people and maybe one or two drug dealers

You'll get laid

Its literally as easy as that

i don’t want a bunch of plates, i’m looking for an LTR and that’s it. that means the women that “**** on a whim” aren’t what i’m looking for.

 

[Clockwerk50]

well she agreed to a third date, just quick coffee, so she’s not getting anything monetary out of it. what should protocol here be? continue escalation as before? go for a kiss if she’s showing signs or should i keep it more casual?

Did you ask her out for coffee, or did she ask you? Are you actually having fun hanging out with her?

Dating should feel exciting. If you find yourself feeling the opposite, if she doesn’t value your time, effort, or attention, or if you feel you’re giving validation without getting anything in return, don’t be afraid to walk away.

As for the date itself, let’s assume she’s attracted to you since she agreed to meet up. A few pointers:

* 70% listen, 30% talk.

* When you do talk, guide the conversation with questions. Use flattery, humor, and even playful promises.

* If the coffee shop goes well, take her somewhere new or exciting. Plan accordingly—maybe a walk in the park, or even a kids’ playground at night when there are no kids around, or you can go for a drink. Touch her. Your job as a man is to create opportunities where romance can happen.

* If you think she deserves it, and the vibe is romantic, like if you kissed and/or made out heavily or she is being a good sport, you can buy her a small gift from a Hallmark store or a cheap teddy bear from a grocery store. Give it to her when you drop her off and say your goodbyes. This creates an emotional anchor, reminding her of you and the date when you’re not around.

* Don’t declare your feelings or what kind of relationship you want. Let her wonder. Women should be the ones working for the LTR.

When I first heard about the coffee date, my initial thought was that you might already be slipping into the friend zone. Seduction, in a sense, is about drawing someone in, making them want you and making them take the initiative to pursue. The other person needs to feel like they’re the ones in control, that they’re the ones sparking the chase and making the moves to win you over. If a girl isn’t doing this, whether because her needs don’t align with what you offer, or because she’s already content with her life and doesn’t have a void to fill, then no tricks or tactics can spark genuine interest. After all, you cannot win over everyone.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Stop taking women to dinner on first dates.

 

[Divorced w 3]

well she agreed to a third date, just quick coffee, so she’s not getting anything monetary out of it. what should protocol here be? continue escalation as before? go for a kiss if she’s showing signs or should i keep it more casual?

You need to put yourself back in the drivers seat and knock her a bit off of this pedestal she is on. You need to fish out interest or disinterest. Good job making this a cheap date. Speaks well to your position here and a good sign on her end taking it.

Convert it to a moving date, in other words grab your coffee and say let’s go for a walk. Make sure you have somewhere nice to walk around because it’ll stimulate conversation as well as physical movement inducing endorphins, which generate positive vibes.

The purpose of your date is to stimulate attraction and you do that by the following: asking questions, periodically breaking her chops in a playful manner, and not answering her questions. You need to get information, and give as little as possible, in order to stimulate her and deepen her interest.

When you’re walking make sure your spending time looking into her eyes and smiling when you speak and when you listen (don’t overdo it be a human being).

1: Find different ways in the conversation to be funny in a way that ribs her a little when the opportunity presents itself, in other words break her chops a little, but it has to be natural. You have to knock her off of this bit of a pedestal that she’s been placed on in this dynamic. You need to ensure you are smiling in the delivery. Go back and forth between breaking her chops and also asking her legitimate questions about her.

2: Not answering : This is important unless she asked you the same question twice you do not answer her questions.

When she asks you a question, you repeat it back to her, acknowledging it and then you think of a way to turn her question into a question back on her. Then the next time she asks you a question you simply repeat it back to her and say or some other way of non-verbally acknowledging her question but you do not answer her questions. For instance, You can make a noise like ‘mmm’ acknowledging what she said and then if you have notice something interesting on the walk, you can point it out, and leave it closed ended with a touch of uncomfortable silence which 99/100 times she will fill the void. if you do this properly, it should go unnoticed.

In doing this you will create a dynamic that should deepen her curiosity and thus, attraction. It continuously makes you more mysterious . This will demonstrate a confidence and intelligence in a non verbal way.

3: When you see her start to give you IOI’s such as hair twirling, leaning in, looking into your eyes smiling, or a general wetness forming in her crotch, you can start to employ some physical touch. Places this can work best are when the c0cky funny line’s been delivered and the laugh is going on mutually, you can move in and put hands on her waist, square up and look her in the eyes with a wry smile and deliver your kiss.

Remember, do this in your own natural manner, but the manner I am describing is the universal way of people being naturally attracted to each other so go for it , please keep us posted rooting for you

Also next time: moving low key date should be date number one

 

[BackInTheGame78]

well she agreed to a third date, just quick coffee, so she’s not getting anything monetary out of it. what should protocol here be? continue escalation as before? go for a kiss if she’s showing signs or should i keep it more casual?

This date should be at your place where you cook dinner with her.

 

[Divorced w 3]

This date should be at your place where you cook dinner with her.

I don’t think they’ve even kissed

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I don’t think they’ve even kissed

What is OP even doing?

 

[Divorced w 3]

What is OP even doing?

Trying to step his game up

 

[Sega Genesis]

When you see her start to give you IOI’s such as hair twirling, leaning in, looking into your eyes smiling, you can start to employ some physical touch.

Yes this^^ .

You can also add lightly (and subtly) brushing against your arm or her leg ever so slightly touching yours (when sitting).

Also, when I'm attracted and we're walking together I always seem to lean into/towards him; all these things are done naturally without my even being aware of it most of the time!

Every woman is different of course but some of such IOIs should be happening... it's instinctual, when she's attracted.

That's how you know she's attracted and you can (and should) escalate!

Lean in, look into her eyes and go for the kiss!

or a general wetness forming in her crotch

I'm curious how a man might determine this^^ when walking together or sitting having a drink?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Qallus. ‘met a girl off a dating app, went to dinner, intentionally did no kino or physical escalation’

If you met her on a dating app, it means she likely already finds you attractive. Every dating app (Tinder) I’ve ever been with has been sfx on the first or second date. Absolutely must kino on first date. If no kiss on first date, Next her.

 

[CornbreadFed]

i don’t want a bunch of plates, i’m looking for an LTR and that’s it. that means the women that “**** on a whim” aren’t what i’m looking for.

Didn’t you make a topic about spending money on taking out non LTR women on dates?

 

[Bingo-Player]

i don’t want a bunch of plates, i’m looking for an LTR and that’s it. that means the women that “**** on a whim” aren’t what i’m looking for.

Then why are you posting on a pickup forum ? Reddit would be more suitable

With all due respect you sound naive and inexperienced with women so trying to shotgun one into a LTR will likely end up in disaster in the long run

 

[BackInTheGame78]

i don’t want a bunch of plates, i’m looking for an LTR and that’s it. that means the women that “**** on a whim” aren’t what i’m looking for.

Ironically that's how you get an LTR.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Ironically that's how you get an LTR.

A crappy LTR that won't last long or will drain you mentally lol.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

A crappy LTR that won't last long or will drain you mentally lol.

Maybe, maybe not.

You don't get any LTR's by trying to be their boyfriend from the first date, all you do is signal your desperation.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Maybe, maybe not.

You don't get any LTR's by trying to be their boyfriend from the first date, all you do is signal your desperation.

Your typical bar/club bimbo doesn’t want a LTR in the first place. There’s no point in dancing for them to try and trick them in to dating you.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Your typical bar/club bimbo doesn’t want a LTR in the first place. There’s no point in dancing for them to try and trick them in to dating you.

Wrong mindset. It doesn't have anything to do with tricks, it has to do with you wanting to see if they meet your standards for an LTR over time with consistency of behavior.

Unless, of course, you have no standards, and you'll take the first woman that lets you put your d!ck into her, which is what trying to be in an LTR immediately essentially signals to them

 

[CornbreadFed]

Wrong mindset. It doesn't have anything to do with tricks, it has to do with you wanting to see if they meet your standards for an LTR over time with consistency of behavior.

Unless, of course, you have no standards, and you'll take the first woman that lets you put your d!ck into her, which is what trying to be in an LTR immediately essentially signals to them

Plate Spinning will just get you a bunch of plates to spin as intended. If you want a successful LTR, the approach you take is different. You should not settle for the first girl or be desperate like you stated, but you do need to take different steps. For example, picking up tatted out bimbos off Tinder because they are more likely to fvck on the first date without any investment is not a correct way to approach a LTR.