On_the_Top
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Is there a way someone can start a new thread on Dec. 1st in order for the participants to "check in."
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
No Masturbation for 6 months! Join in!
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
thederekeffect1
Master Don Juan
Did I mention that I'm also cutting myself off from sex? I can do that, though. Because I get it often enough (not saying that you guys don't. Just saying that I do).
I started before this was even posted. I'm on my 7th or 8th day right now. I've been horny as hell all day. According to those articles that she posted that means I'm on my 7th.
Either way, this has nothing to do with if it's healthy or not for me. Nor does it have anything to do with emotions. The only reason I'm doing this is to challenge myself.
I started before this was even posted. I'm on my 7th or 8th day right now. I've been horny as hell all day. According to those articles that she posted that means I'm on my 7th.
Either way, this has nothing to do with if it's healthy or not for me. Nor does it have anything to do with emotions. The only reason I'm doing this is to challenge myself.
thederekeffect1
Master Don Juan
*cough* *COUGH*
You overlooked a lot of people on that list.
Im in, i need to distribute the energy into other areas of my life. I have read the whole of this post and it has taken me about half hour.
I have been bashing it out at least twice a day for the last few months(****), i now want to know wether there is any truth in the motivational theory.
So from December the 1st, i shall be MONk Like.
Let the games begin.
I have been bashing it out at least twice a day for the last few months(****), i now want to know wether there is any truth in the motivational theory.
So from December the 1st, i shall be MONk Like.
Let the games begin.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Lost In Translation
Master Don Juan
Persephone did you write your bull$hit article yet ?
Persephone
The original article on the study done in Germany was reported in print, not online, in Der Spiegel. If memory serves, it would have been around the time of the last World Cup. A good college library should have back issues, although being able to read German is essential. On a shorter note, in English:
"The German team physician endorses sex for male and female athletes, saying: "Sex does not cause any loss of strength."
last world cup was 2002
what no internet in 2002 ?
back issue in library in German eh ? how convenient
and from memory from the German translated to English you remember the conclusion ?
the odds of that ?
the Chinese study was the first SCIENTIFIC STUDY EVER on this issue
and it was published 2003
but your imaginary study in German was published in 2002
how can that be ?
the first study SCIENTIFIC study ever was published 2003
http://www.zju.edu.cn/jzus/2003/0302/030219.htm
are you telling us lies Persephone ?
you said you are here because you are up to no good
what are you up to Persephone ?
Persephone
He may be right. This year, a Russian psychologist told a German newspaper that neither gender should abstain. "It’s simple," she said. "More sex means more gold.""
Got a link to this famous Russian that the Germans are quoting in their newspapers ?
or is this another case of back issue back of library translated from Russian to German to English ?
Russian psychologist
what does he do for a living ?
and how much time does he spend in a lab using machines to measure testosterone levels in athletes ?
NONE
you are deliberately trying to mislead people
but you are a "professional journalist" after all
and what does a professional journalist do when they story doesn't agree with them ?
MAKE $HIT UP
Persephone
"Having sex before an event should not physically hinder your athletic output or performance . In actuality it may even help athletes before an important game.
ok lets look at that
should not
hmm... not too sure ? a theory...
thats right no SCIENTIFIC STUDY
it may help
50 50 flip a coin
it may help
damn Persephone you got alot in common with these journalists
THEY MAKE $HIT UP TOO
Persephone
So why do so many pro athletes swear by abstinance?
EXPERIENCE
Persephone
"The outcome is that the athlete believes in it so much that it influences him or her to perform better."
In other words, it works only because they think it works.
hahaha more mumbo jumbo
can we prove this is a lie ? yes easy
if an orgasm was mental and it released NO chemicals and the body did not lose fluid
then it is possible
BUT IT IS PHYSICAL and the body needs to strip away parts of itself in order to create that which was lost
this has a draining effect on a man
Persephone look up what chemicals the male body needs to create sperm and look up where it steals them from
LEARN SOMETHING
"The Minnesota Viking's last four trips to the Super Bowl ended in defeat, 0-4. Might that be due to the fact that the coaches enforced abstinence the night before?"
hahaha i love this
coaches today
they lose they get fired. someone said that to me the other day.
now we got people saying it's not the coaches it's not the athletes MAYBE just MAYBE because they didn't have sex
maybe it was because one of the fans who was every game was wearing a blue tee-shirt instead of the red tee-shirt he normally wore ( see movie : CELTIC PRIDE )
and it was bad luck and they lost because of that
whats up with the excuses ? they lost. fair and square.
BE A MAN AND ACCEPT IT
Persephone
"... the coach's old maxim that sex saps strength is questionable, as long as proper rest and sleep patterns are maintained. A study at Colorado State University showed that having sex within 24 hours of athletic activity didn't hurt performance."
did you read the article you linked it to ?
did you read this ?
You may have heard it from your high school coach, or some of your teachers, even the great Mohammed Ali swears by it. The prevailing myth that sex hurts athletic performance is as old as sports itself. Some athletes believe that it relaxes them to a point that they would not want to compete, others swear it drains vital fluids necessary for a top athlete
Persephone
No comment on masturbation here, but since sex is a heck of a lot more vigorous, not to mention time-consuming, I'd say that whacking off before the game is pretty safe, and you're more likely to get a good night's sleep, since orgasm helps with that. Too much exercise, though, can muck up your sex life.
1. you are not a man
2. you do not know or understand the feeling
3. all the info you posted is lies
4. you form the same opinion as the feminist idiots that wrote the articles you linked to. in the face of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE you encourage men to do the opposite of what the data shows
5. it is possible to have a good nights sleep without sex or drugs
Persephone
As far as how you feel goes, I'm not interested in feelings because they're subjective. They apply only to the individual having them, and they are based on perceptions that often lack any connection to reality. Facts are a heck of a lot more important.
LMFAO !!!
Persephone read what you said 10 times
either you are crazy or a troll up to no good
Persephone
Oh, and my editors? These guys know sex inside-out and backwards, but they were never AFCs. Or jerks, either. No they're not Alphas in the sense you all seem to define it, nor do that have much by way of game. Most may not even know what it means. What they are is smart, sophisticated, interesting, open and very sensual. They're a pleasure to work with, but they have no fear of pleasure, and that's a rare, wonderful thing in this world.
And no, I haven't slept with any of them, but they do want things from me and it's getting past time I delivered. I'm curious to see what they think.
who talks about their boss like that ?
seriously ?
being webmaster on a porn site Persephone doesn't make you a journalist despite what the man who *cough* interviewed you said. you got delusions of grandeur
Lost In Translation
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“I am anti-feminist because feminism is stupid. And dangerous when taken seriously.” - Pook
Persephone
The original article on the study done in Germany was reported in print, not online, in Der Spiegel. If memory serves, it would have been around the time of the last World Cup. A good college library should have back issues, although being able to read German is essential. On a shorter note, in English:
"The German team physician endorses sex for male and female athletes, saying: "Sex does not cause any loss of strength."
last world cup was 2002
what no internet in 2002 ?
back issue in library in German eh ? how convenient
and from memory from the German translated to English you remember the conclusion ?
the odds of that ?
the Chinese study was the first SCIENTIFIC STUDY EVER on this issue
and it was published 2003
but your imaginary study in German was published in 2002
how can that be ?
the first study SCIENTIFIC study ever was published 2003
http://www.zju.edu.cn/jzus/2003/0302/030219.htm
are you telling us lies Persephone ?
you said you are here because you are up to no good
what are you up to Persephone ?
Persephone
He may be right. This year, a Russian psychologist told a German newspaper that neither gender should abstain. "It’s simple," she said. "More sex means more gold.""
Got a link to this famous Russian that the Germans are quoting in their newspapers ?
or is this another case of back issue back of library translated from Russian to German to English ?
Russian psychologist
what does he do for a living ?
and how much time does he spend in a lab using machines to measure testosterone levels in athletes ?
NONE
you are deliberately trying to mislead people
but you are a "professional journalist" after all
and what does a professional journalist do when they story doesn't agree with them ?
MAKE $HIT UP
Persephone
"Having sex before an event should not physically hinder your athletic output or performance . In actuality it may even help athletes before an important game.
ok lets look at that
should not
hmm... not too sure ? a theory...
thats right no SCIENTIFIC STUDY
it may help
50 50 flip a coin
it may help
damn Persephone you got alot in common with these journalists
THEY MAKE $HIT UP TOO
Persephone
So why do so many pro athletes swear by abstinance?
EXPERIENCE
Persephone
"The outcome is that the athlete believes in it so much that it influences him or her to perform better."
In other words, it works only because they think it works.
hahaha more mumbo jumbo
can we prove this is a lie ? yes easy
if an orgasm was mental and it released NO chemicals and the body did not lose fluid
then it is possible
BUT IT IS PHYSICAL and the body needs to strip away parts of itself in order to create that which was lost
this has a draining effect on a man
Persephone look up what chemicals the male body needs to create sperm and look up where it steals them from
LEARN SOMETHING
"The Minnesota Viking's last four trips to the Super Bowl ended in defeat, 0-4. Might that be due to the fact that the coaches enforced abstinence the night before?"
hahaha i love this
coaches today
they lose they get fired. someone said that to me the other day.
now we got people saying it's not the coaches it's not the athletes MAYBE just MAYBE because they didn't have sex
maybe it was because one of the fans who was every game was wearing a blue tee-shirt instead of the red tee-shirt he normally wore ( see movie : CELTIC PRIDE )
and it was bad luck and they lost because of that
whats up with the excuses ? they lost. fair and square.
BE A MAN AND ACCEPT IT
Persephone
"... the coach's old maxim that sex saps strength is questionable, as long as proper rest and sleep patterns are maintained. A study at Colorado State University showed that having sex within 24 hours of athletic activity didn't hurt performance."
did you read the article you linked it to ?
did you read this ?
You may have heard it from your high school coach, or some of your teachers, even the great Mohammed Ali swears by it. The prevailing myth that sex hurts athletic performance is as old as sports itself. Some athletes believe that it relaxes them to a point that they would not want to compete, others swear it drains vital fluids necessary for a top athlete
Persephone
No comment on masturbation here, but since sex is a heck of a lot more vigorous, not to mention time-consuming, I'd say that whacking off before the game is pretty safe, and you're more likely to get a good night's sleep, since orgasm helps with that. Too much exercise, though, can muck up your sex life.
1. you are not a man
2. you do not know or understand the feeling
3. all the info you posted is lies
4. you form the same opinion as the feminist idiots that wrote the articles you linked to. in the face of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE you encourage men to do the opposite of what the data shows
5. it is possible to have a good nights sleep without sex or drugs
Persephone
As far as how you feel goes, I'm not interested in feelings because they're subjective. They apply only to the individual having them, and they are based on perceptions that often lack any connection to reality. Facts are a heck of a lot more important.
LMFAO !!!
Persephone read what you said 10 times
either you are crazy or a troll up to no good
Persephone
Oh, and my editors? These guys know sex inside-out and backwards, but they were never AFCs. Or jerks, either. No they're not Alphas in the sense you all seem to define it, nor do that have much by way of game. Most may not even know what it means. What they are is smart, sophisticated, interesting, open and very sensual. They're a pleasure to work with, but they have no fear of pleasure, and that's a rare, wonderful thing in this world.
And no, I haven't slept with any of them, but they do want things from me and it's getting past time I delivered. I'm curious to see what they think.
who talks about their boss like that ?
seriously ?
being webmaster on a porn site Persephone doesn't make you a journalist despite what the man who *cough* interviewed you said. you got delusions of grandeur
Lost In Translation
**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**
“I am anti-feminist because feminism is stupid. And dangerous when taken seriously.” - Pook
avrilishot
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hey I have a question.
Is it true that if you dont masterbate for like a day or more you can talk to women easier?
I heard that from a friend I want to know if that is true.
Is it true that if you dont masterbate for like a day or more you can talk to women easier?
I heard that from a friend I want to know if that is true.
Brian20o2
Master Don Juan
I'm on day 3.
Whenever you get the urge, JUST SAY NO!:woo:
Whenever you get the urge, JUST SAY NO!:woo:
Persephone got it wrong -
Its not about guilt, moralism, Jerome??? or whatever.
People give up all kinds of things that aren't *wrong* b/c they want to demonstrate willpower, or focus thier energy/attention on other things.
I am currently on a news fast (not b/c I think CNN is evil) I just noticed how my obsessive need for the news has taken up a lot of time, and the negetivity of the stories has been influcing my thinking.
Anytime you can take an oppurtunity to get self control, mastery, and restraint, you will also have some of pride and self-esteem.
This is my first post here - d.k. is going to start out by joining the self-love abstainers movement.
Its not about guilt, moralism, Jerome??? or whatever.
People give up all kinds of things that aren't *wrong* b/c they want to demonstrate willpower, or focus thier energy/attention on other things.
I am currently on a news fast (not b/c I think CNN is evil) I just noticed how my obsessive need for the news has taken up a lot of time, and the negetivity of the stories has been influcing my thinking.
Anytime you can take an oppurtunity to get self control, mastery, and restraint, you will also have some of pride and self-esteem.
This is my first post here - d.k. is going to start out by joining the self-love abstainers movement.
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Rec_rejection_phobic
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it's desturbing to think that there is some guy sitting behind his computer typing a message on this board - with his pants blow his knees (and his soldier soluting).
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
NINJA PIMP
Banned
LMAO!
This is shaping up to be the biggest anti- circle jerk in history.
Personally, I went thru this phase as well. I found that after 10 days I reached my peak of mojo levels. My head was clear, will determined, and penis hard at the site of anything resembling titties. I found that waiting longer than 2 weeks had no physical effect, although it made me feel more confident in myself, knowing I had self control.
To each his own, but those of you wanting to wait months are just spinning your wheels. Besides, its been scientifically proven that regular ejaculation and exercise of PC muscles helps prevent problems with your prostate.
http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA297851/
Also, you may want to check your technique!
http://www.healthystrokes.com/
This is shaping up to be the biggest anti- circle jerk in history.
Personally, I went thru this phase as well. I found that after 10 days I reached my peak of mojo levels. My head was clear, will determined, and penis hard at the site of anything resembling titties. I found that waiting longer than 2 weeks had no physical effect, although it made me feel more confident in myself, knowing I had self control.
To each his own, but those of you wanting to wait months are just spinning your wheels. Besides, its been scientifically proven that regular ejaculation and exercise of PC muscles helps prevent problems with your prostate.
http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA297851/
Also, you may want to check your technique!
http://www.healthystrokes.com/
Disconnect
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Starting.... NOW!
I didn't bother to read through all 7 pages, but is sex allowed? Better be, I have people to satisfy.
I read somewhere (could be t-nation) that test levels don't go down if you come to something that you are emotionally attached to (relatively speaking). So sex shouldn't be a problem.
Who's that guy who wrote a thread about how he simply refused to bust a nut? Drove his girls crazy. I decided to try it out and it worked for about a week. If I don't come during sex, it feels like it's only about performance.
Anyways... good luck to all, ehm, participants!
I didn't bother to read through all 7 pages, but is sex allowed? Better be, I have people to satisfy.
I read somewhere (could be t-nation) that test levels don't go down if you come to something that you are emotionally attached to (relatively speaking). So sex shouldn't be a problem.
Who's that guy who wrote a thread about how he simply refused to bust a nut? Drove his girls crazy. I decided to try it out and it worked for about a week. If I don't come during sex, it feels like it's only about performance.
Anyways... good luck to all, ehm, participants!
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Day 4. I haven't even come close (get it???!!) to masturbating all day. I haven't masturbated hard. I haven't masturbated soft. I haven't masturbated with my right hand, left hand, or any other masturbatory aid device. It feels so good. I do hump my bed a lot when I wake up in the morning, however.
Here's a list of places I haven't masturbated in:
my bed
the shower
the computer
class
the bathroom
the sink
a dumpster
Ironically, there is an article in my campus newspaper about an engineering student who was caught masturbating in the computer lab. His nickname is "Turbo". I'm not sure if he acquired this before or after the incident.
I have noticed quite a bit more energy, aggressiveness and confidence on my part. Even holding true that one broad's argument that these feelings are psychosomatic, I find that irrelevant. Whether it is a physical or mental construct, I feel better, stronger, and more masculine. And thus act like it. Normally I am somewhat of a passive person, both by nature and due to an overly loving mother. This has been a huge detriment to myself, and it is something I work on every day.
I'd like to continue this post but I'm busy - off to not masturbate.
Here's a list of places I haven't masturbated in:
my bed
the shower
the computer
class
the bathroom
the sink
a dumpster
Ironically, there is an article in my campus newspaper about an engineering student who was caught masturbating in the computer lab. His nickname is "Turbo". I'm not sure if he acquired this before or after the incident.
I have noticed quite a bit more energy, aggressiveness and confidence on my part. Even holding true that one broad's argument that these feelings are psychosomatic, I find that irrelevant. Whether it is a physical or mental construct, I feel better, stronger, and more masculine. And thus act like it. Normally I am somewhat of a passive person, both by nature and due to an overly loving mother. This has been a huge detriment to myself, and it is something I work on every day.
I'd like to continue this post but I'm busy - off to not masturbate.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
The Bad Ass Canadian
Master Don Juan
LMFAO!!!!
I agree, 6 months is an awefully long time... why not give up for good, if that's the case? I'm not giving up. I'm gonna spank it whenever i feel I can't hold out any longer.....
Holy ****.
This was going to be day 4.
I work as a teacher in a university. A student caused me a bit of trouble and I got ****ing pissed at him. I found myself wanting to **** all my (female) students. I was making blunt move-ons.
In general, I just felt like I HAD to approach women. All day, everywhere. N-e ways. I was pretty ****ing hot, angry in a sort of passive way. And I started watching porn (I had done so before, for some 10 minutes, that **** pumped me up). And in the first minute, I said, **** it, let's start on December 1st.
I'm another person right now than who I was hours ago. Take into account that I also started with bulking diet and excercise. But, I don't regret anything I did at my "peak" all I did didn't come as if I were drunk or something, I was always aware of my actions.
December 1st guys. Eeeek!
This was going to be day 4.
I work as a teacher in a university. A student caused me a bit of trouble and I got ****ing pissed at him. I found myself wanting to **** all my (female) students. I was making blunt move-ons.
In general, I just felt like I HAD to approach women. All day, everywhere. N-e ways. I was pretty ****ing hot, angry in a sort of passive way. And I started watching porn (I had done so before, for some 10 minutes, that **** pumped me up). And in the first minute, I said, **** it, let's start on December 1st.
I'm another person right now than who I was hours ago. Take into account that I also started with bulking diet and excercise. But, I don't regret anything I did at my "peak" all I did didn't come as if I were drunk or something, I was always aware of my actions.
December 1st guys. Eeeek!
On_the_Top
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Lol! I would say your joking but I have held out for a while before I found out that happens (the longest was a month and a half.) But I'm starting on Dec. 1st and gonna go to the new year, then once I reach that point I'm gonna stop and re-evaluate everything (me, all that I have learned, etc.) So I have one more day to I quote, "Beat my meat like it owes me money."
On_the_Top
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Got some more people to quit along with me, now I have a "support base."
flyinshark
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I am on my 4th day today and here are some notes...
1.To keep motivated, i took a small piece of paper and wrote down the dates from Nov 26 to Dec 2, each with a nice, perfectly square, checkbox assigned to them. When i wake up in the morning, i take my paper and place a perfect checkmark in the perfect checkbox corresponding to the date of the previous day: Another little victory to the evergrowing list of victories! I will make a new paper with more dates after i complete 1 week.
2.I can't wait for the morning so i can add another checkmark and prove to myself that i am in control of my urges, and frankly it wasn't that hard till today.
3.I don't plan on not masturbating for 6 months. I think that's just ridiculously much, but 2 or 3 weeks should be doable.
4.Today in school i kept staring at girls' boobs and asses, and i even had short fantasies about banging each and every one of them. These thoughts were more powerful than my usual thoughts (when i used to masturbate more or less daily), so this is the main change so far. I feel really horny.
Thanks for reading
And keep it up guys, this is trully a great self-control test!
1.To keep motivated, i took a small piece of paper and wrote down the dates from Nov 26 to Dec 2, each with a nice, perfectly square, checkbox assigned to them. When i wake up in the morning, i take my paper and place a perfect checkmark in the perfect checkbox corresponding to the date of the previous day: Another little victory to the evergrowing list of victories! I will make a new paper with more dates after i complete 1 week.
2.I can't wait for the morning so i can add another checkmark and prove to myself that i am in control of my urges, and frankly it wasn't that hard till today.
3.I don't plan on not masturbating for 6 months. I think that's just ridiculously much, but 2 or 3 weeks should be doable.
4.Today in school i kept staring at girls' boobs and asses, and i even had short fantasies about banging each and every one of them. These thoughts were more powerful than my usual thoughts (when i used to masturbate more or less daily), so this is the main change so far. I feel really horny.
Thanks for reading
And keep it up guys, this is trully a great self-control test!
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
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