NightGame Lay Report

[nicksaiz65]

I went out to do a solo Nightgame session. My wing/roommate is currently burnt out of the game and wasn't really feeling it. He wants to focus more on himself, his business, etc. Still, there was a 0% chance I was staying in the house on Saturday. I decided to keep doing what I've been doing and get out and do a solo session. I can't use wings as a crutch, I need to be able to stand on my own two feet.

I got out and hit around 30 or so approaches. I eventually approached a goth type girl outside the bar. Her friend was in the bar, with some dude who she was clearly attracted to.

I approached the girl directly, and we chatted & vibed. The attraction seemed to be there. It turned out that she was in civil engineering. I brushed over my job(software engineer/automation test engineer) but she kept on digging into wanting to know exactly what I did. I was laughing because it was crazy to me that I was explaining to a girl on the strip about the difference between an end-to-end test and a unit test.

At one point, the girl asked me where my friends were. I answered "it's just me tonight."

After a while, I said "hey, it's getting late and all the bars are about to close. We should grab a drink together." She responded that she's going to shoot darts with her friend and the dude she met, and that I should come through.

So all four of us jumped in the Uber. We vibed. The set was very physical in the car. I had my arm around her and we were flirting.

Once at the friends' house, we all took shots. We continued to vibe out and played different songs over the TV. (This is a niche point about pulling. If you're going to be pulling, you need to be familiar with some music so you don't come off as odd. Some rap, songs that are popular, etc, so you can have stuff to play when you set the vibe.)

Eventually, we all isolated and broke off. Me and my girl were on the balcony and her friend and the other dude were upstairs. I started making out with her, while she was playing some Bad Bunny. It escalated into her sucking my d!ck. It kept on escalating until she told me how bad she wanted to fvck me. I pulled out a condom (I always keep condoms on me while I am out) and I banged her out over the balcony.

Dry spell broken!

The girl was pretty freaky. She was telling me things like "I want you to be rough with me, I want you to hurt me!" She also had n!pple piercings.

We came back inside and I eventually fvcked her on the couch too. She kept talking about how she had already came after the first round.

While she seemed to enjoy it, one thing I noticed is that I was getting pretty gassed out from the sex. This means I need to continue lifting weights and doing cardio, not just the diet. I used to think that I was gassing out just because I had weight to lose, but the weights and cardio definitely play a role in this as well.

After that, we just chatted. The girl lives in the same city as me, so she was asking me about how I felt about being friends with benefits.

She mentioned that she liked how I approached, and I came off just like "hey I wanted to meet you." She also brought up that she seemed to attract a very specific type of guy, i.e. nerdy guys like me haha. I was like "yeah I'm a nerd, whatcha going to do about it?" She then proceeded to tell me that it was hot. After that, she was saying things that we needed to hang out, cook together, and she was inviting me to events. She was asking me a ton about my schedule availability. She was also complaining that I didn't have any more condoms even though I brought several haha.

This is a good point that I've been thinking about in terms of marketing. A lot of girls, because I am on the nerdier side, instantly blow me off or won't give me a chance. But the girls I've slept with had explicitly said things like "oh, you're a nerd but you're so hot" or commenting on my hair, or my body. I have to find the correct "target audience" and really lean into that.

She's been texting me today and seems pretty receptive. She's talking about things like "thanks for everything, it was so nice to meet youuuu" and so on.

QUESTIONS:
- I need to try and make this a FWB relationship that I maintain over a good bit. How do I go about this? This will help me not go through these trash dry spells.
- Specifically, what are the texting strategies with FWBs? Wanted to hear how you guys are handling it.
- Where do we go from here? What next?

 

[Vanderdonck]

Great job! More guys should go out solo like this.

As for the FWB angle, I would avoid things like cooking together or hanging out at events. If you want to be strictly a fukk buddy, then you can't be doing boyfriend things or her attachment will shift.

Same with texting. Keep it minimal. No long conversations. Don't answer right away. Etc. There can even be several days between conversations. Establish this early so it seems normal that you are busy and not her boyfriend.

 

[SW15]

I went out to do a solo Nightgame session.
I got out and hit around 30 or so approaches.

That's very good for a solo nightgame session.

I approached the girl directly, and we chatted & vibed. The attraction seemed to be there. It turned out that she was in civil engineering. I brushed over my job(software engineer/automation test engineer) but she kept on digging into wanting to know exactly what I did. I was laughing because it was crazy to me that I was explaining to a girl on the strip about the difference between an end-to-end test and a unit test.

I like the vibing. I don't usually recommend discussing an occupation during a nightlife pickup. There are occasional situations where it can work and can create a vibe.

I have an acquaintance (a guy who is friends with some of my friends) who created a vibe doing something like you did. He has a STEM degree and a STEM job in engineering. He was at a bar and met a woman who was also studying within STEM on the science side. Due to the science-engineering semi-commonality, a vibe was created and an eventual first date happened. I don't think that bar approach resulted in same night sex though some lesser physical stuff likely happened. It led to a first date, relationship, wedding day, and later children. The pregnancies were mentioned in "Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere".

In most cases, women won't get turned on by your STEM academic achievements and occupation.

we all isolated and broke off. Me and my girl were on the balcony and her friend and the other dude were upstairs. I started making out with her, while she was playing some Bad Bunny. It escalated into her sucking my d!ck. It kept on escalating until she told me how bad she wanted to fvck me.

In night game pickup, isolation is key. It's less of a factor in daygame because a lot of times a woman is already by herself in a non-bar venue. It's good you created the necessary isolation.

After isolation, there was good physical escalation. You did have kino escalation before in the bar and in the Uber too.

I pulled out a condom (I always keep condoms on me while I am out) and I banged her out over the balcony.

Dry spell broken!

The girl was pretty freaky. She was telling me things like "I want you to be rough with me, I want you to hurt me!" She also had n!pple piercings.

We came back inside and I eventually fvcked her on the couch too. She kept talking about how she had already came after the first round.

Very good on the 2 rounds of sex, especially in the early AM hours when fatigue was likely setting in.

She had an orgasm, which is good.

Keeping condoms on you at all times isn't good for the condoms, but is acceptable for a few hours when out at a nightlife venue.

- I need to try and make this a FWB relationship that I maintain over a good bit. How do I go about this? This will help me not go through these trash dry spells.
- Specifically, what are the texting strategies with FWBs? Wanted to hear how you guys are handling it.
- Where do we go from here? What next?

If the FWB frame has been set, the primary focus needs to be sexual get togethers. The next step is arranging for her to show up at your place for sex. Alternatively, you could show up at her place for sex. The next text message needs to be about logistics for the next get together. @Vanderdonck had good points above about the FWB arrangement.

If she's receptive right now, make arrangements for the next get together soon. Do it today (Monday) or tomorrow (Tuesday). Lock in a future get together for sex before she becomes less receptive.

After that, she was saying things that we needed to hang out, cook together, and she was inviting me to events. She was asking me a ton about my schedule availability.

You probably could have arranged a future get together while still in person based on this. I would rather have done it that way than over text message.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Better than last time. Good stuff!

 

[BaronOfHair]

Well done!!!

 

[nicksaiz65]

Great job! More guys should go out solo like this.

As for the FWB angle, I would avoid things like cooking together or hanging out at events. If you want to be strictly a fukk buddy, then you can't be doing boyfriend things or her attachment will shift.

Same with texting. Keep it minimal. No long conversations. Don't answer right away. Etc. There can even be several days between conversations. Establish this early so it seems normal that you are busy and not her boyfriend.

I’m making it a point to go out solo whenever I can. In fact, most of my sessions will be solo. Wings are not always going to have the desire nor motivation to go out.

So if I wanted this girl to be my GF, I would take her out and do stuff.

But if I want to maintain a FWB, I just strictly invite her straight over for sex a couple times a week, and keep doing that until the relationship terminates? Is that correct?

 

[BPH]

I went out to do a solo Nightgame session. My wing/roommate is currently burnt out of the game and wasn't really feeling it. He wants to focus more on himself, his business, etc. Still, there was a 0% chance I was staying in the house on Saturday. I decided to keep doing what I've been doing and get out and do a solo session. I can't use wings as a crutch, I need to be able to stand on my own two feet.

I got out and hit around 30 or so approaches. I eventually approached a goth type girl outside the bar. Her friend was in the bar, with some dude who she was clearly attracted to.

I approached the girl directly, and we chatted & vibed. The attraction seemed to be there. It turned out that she was in civil engineering. I brushed over my job(software engineer/automation test engineer) but she kept on digging into wanting to know exactly what I did. I was laughing because it was crazy to me that I was explaining to a girl on the strip about the difference between an end-to-end test and a unit test.

At one point, the girl asked me where my friends were. I answered "it's just me tonight."

After a while, I said "hey, it's getting late and all the bars are about to close. We should grab a drink together." She responded that she's going to shoot darts with her friend and the dude she met, and that I should come through.

So all four of us jumped in the Uber. We vibed. The set was very physical in the car. I had my arm around her and we were flirting.

Once at the friends' house, we all took shots. We continued to vibe out and played different songs over the TV. (This is a niche point about pulling. If you're going to be pulling, you need to be familiar with some music so you don't come off as odd. Some rap, songs that are popular, etc, so you can have stuff to play when you set the vibe.)

Eventually, we all isolated and broke off. Me and my girl were on the balcony and her friend and the other dude were upstairs. I started making out with her, while she was playing some Bad Bunny. It escalated into her sucking my d!ck. It kept on escalating until she told me how bad she wanted to fvck me. I pulled out a condom (I always keep condoms on me while I am out) and I banged her out over the balcony.

Dry spell broken!

The girl was pretty freaky. She was telling me things like "I want you to be rough with me, I want you to hurt me!" She also had n!pple piercings.

We came back inside and I eventually fvcked her on the couch too. She kept talking about how she had already came after the first round.

While she seemed to enjoy it, one thing I noticed is that I was getting pretty gassed out from the sex. This means I need to continue lifting weights and doing cardio, not just the diet. I used to think that I was gassing out just because I had weight to lose, but the weights and cardio definitely play a role in this as well.

After that, we just chatted. The girl lives in the same city as me, so she was asking me about how I felt about being friends with benefits.

She mentioned that she liked how I approached, and I came off just like "hey I wanted to meet you." She also brought up that she seemed to attract a very specific type of guy, i.e. nerdy guys like me haha. I was like "yeah I'm a nerd, whatcha going to do about it?" She then proceeded to tell me that it was hot. After that, she was saying things that we needed to hang out, cook together, and she was inviting me to events. She was asking me a ton about my schedule availability. She was also complaining that I didn't have any more condoms even though I brought several haha.

This is a good point that I've been thinking about in terms of marketing. A lot of girls, because I am on the nerdier side, instantly blow me off or won't give me a chance. But the girls I've slept with had explicitly said things like "oh, you're a nerd but you're so hot" or commenting on my hair, or my body. I have to find the correct "target audience" and really lean into that.

She's been texting me today and seems pretty receptive. She's talking about things like "thanks for everything, it was so nice to meet youuuu" and so on.

QUESTIONS:
- I need to try and make this a FWB relationship that I maintain over a good bit. How do I go about this? This will help me not go through these trash dry spells.
- Specifically, what are the texting strategies with FWBs? Wanted to hear how you guys are handling it.
- Where do we go from here? What next?

It's about f***ing time somebody realized the power of cold approaching, and good on you for having the balls to do all of this solo without your wing.

To answer your questions, first, I want to temper your expectations a bit...it is not unusual for women (or anybody) to be excited and make plans for the future that are either forgotten about or flaked on. You met her on a drunken night out and went on an adventure that likely has her on an emotional high. When she comes down from that, she may not be as enthused about following through with the plans and promises she makes. This is at no fault of your own, people are just generally unreliable when it comes to commitment of any sort.

Secondly, the piercings, wanting you to "hurt her" during sex, immediately suggesting becoming FWB...I would wager this is a promiscuous woman and not think that I was the singular special snowflake she has on her radar. You showed confidence, you were fun, you made it easy for her to say yes, and you said you did a good job in the bedroom. These are good, I would just make sure not to be deluded into thinking you're the first or only one to tick those boxes for her.

Now, as for how to proceed...

Generally my suggestion is to mirror her interest level, and respond if contacted, but otherwise not reach out unless you were setting up/confirming plans. You don't want to get caught up in having hour-long conversations that start with "good morning" and end in "good night" unless you're trying to wife this girl, which I personally wouldn't suggest.

Otherwise just play it cool. If you did a good job and she's excited to see you again, it's hard to go wrong unless you become clingy - she should be making it easy to see you again because she should be wanting that just as much as you do.

Just match her energy while neither being too available and excited to immediately respond, but also not taking so long that she thinks she's being ghosted. That's really all you have to do. And you'll figure out the type of woman she is the more you see her.

 

[Clockwerk50]

The best advice I can give is: don’t let things slide into comfort or routine. What originally made her want you was the tension, mystery, and drama. To keep that alive, don’t reveal too much, don’t be overly available, and definitely don’t be predictable. No neediness, no expectations is also key. And don’t get lazy. You still have to flirt and keep it fun and fresh, like you’re still earning it.

This will stretch the expiration date of the situationship until you get more candidates into your roster or pipeline.

 

[nicksaiz65]

That's very good for a solo nightgame session.

This was an excellent amount of approaches for me going out solo especially. I'm starting to get a lot more used to it, which in my opinion is critical. Before, when going out solo, there were sessions where I couldn't do a single approach. I also felt much more comfortable doing the groups by myself(though it's something that I am still working on.)

One important detail is that I got my stuff together and chores done earlier in the day so I could go out early in the night. I touched down on the strip around 11:30 PM. Imo you need to get there before midnight so that you have plenty of time to work. If you have the full 3-4 hours to game, then there's no way that you are going to go home without talking to anybody.

I also did this session completely sober, I didn't drink until I was already a

I like the vibing. I don't usually recommend discussing an occupation during a nightlife pickup. There are occasional situations where it can work and can create a vibe.

I have an acquaintance (a guy who is friends with some of my friends) who created a vibe doing something like you did. He has a STEM degree and a STEM job in engineering. He was at a bar and met a woman who was also studying within STEM on the science side. Due to the science-engineering semi-commonality, a vibe was created and an eventual first date happened. I don't think that bar approach resulted in same night sex though some lesser physical stuff likely happened. It led to a first date, relationship, wedding day, and later children. The pregnancies were mentioned in "Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere".

In most cases, women won't get turned on by your STEM academic achievements and occupation.

Agreed. This seems to be more of a rare exception than the rule.

In night game pickup, isolation is key. It's less of a factor in daygame because a lot of times a woman is already by herself in a non-bar venue. It's good you created the necessary isolation.

After isolation, there was good physical escalation. You did have kino escalation before in the bar and in the Uber too.

This time, I learned from my previous failed pulls and was decidedly more aggressive. One of the escalation moves I did was taking her hand and placing it on my d!ck while we were on the couch lol. She responded very well to the assertiveness, as opposed to when I was being more meek in the past which ended up blowing out the set.

Very good on the 2 rounds of sex, especially in the early AM hours when fatigue was likely setting in.

She had an orgasm, which is good.

Keeping condoms on you at all times isn't good for the condoms, but is acceptable for a few hours when out at a nightlife venue.

I've questioned how to handle this. Of course, always have a condom on you wherever whenever because you never know. Should we just put one in the front pocket each day? Not very convenient though. Condoms aren't supposed to be left in the wallet over an extended period of time, right? (Though it is very convenient to keep them in there.) Or maybe you just put them in the wallet each time? It's been something I've been thinking about.

If the FWB frame has been set, the primary focus needs to be sexual get togethers. The next step is arranging for her to show up at your place for sex. Alternatively, you could show up at her place for sex. The next text message needs to be about logistics for the next get together. @Vanderdonck had good points above about the FWB arrangement.

If she's receptive right now, make arrangements for the next get together soon. Do it today (Monday) or tomorrow (Tuesday). Lock in a future get together for sex before she becomes less receptive.

You probably could have arranged a future get together while still in person based on this. I would rather have done it that way than over text message.

Cool, I'll get that text sent. I didn't arrange plans that night because I had been drinking and I wasn't sure what my schedule was. I'm busy Tuesday evening so I can only see her late tonight or Wednesday. We'll see what happens.

 

[nicksaiz65]

It's about f***ing time somebody realized the power of cold approaching, and good on you for having the balls to do all of this solo without your wing.

Thanks man, and while I'm still getting used to dealing with groups and group logistics, you were right. These solo sessions are fire.

To answer your questions, first, I want to temper your expectations a bit...it is not unusual for women (or anybody) to be excited and make plans for the future that are either forgotten about or flaked on. You met her on a drunken night out and went on an adventure that likely has her on an emotional high. When she comes down from that, she may not be as enthused about following through with the plans and promises she makes. This is at no fault of your own, people are just generally unreliable when it comes to commitment of any sort.

Secondly, the piercings, wanting you to "hurt her" during sex, immediately suggesting becoming FWB...I would wager this is a promiscuous woman and not think that I was the singular special snowflake she has on her radar. You showed confidence, you were fun, you made it easy for her to say yes, and you said you did a good job in the bedroom. These are good, I would just make sure not to be deluded into thinking you're the first or only one to tick those boxes for her.

Right, you say to set your expectations at zero and be pleasantly surprised yes?

Now, as for how to proceed...

Generally my suggestion is to mirror her interest level, and respond if contacted, but otherwise not reach out unless you were setting up/confirming plans. You don't want to get caught up in having hour-long conversations that start with "good morning" and end in "good night" unless you're trying to wife this girl, which I personally wouldn't suggest.

Otherwise just play it cool. If you did a good job and she's excited to see you again, it's hard to go wrong unless you become clingy - she should be making it easy to see you again because she should be wanting that just as much as you do.

Just match her energy while neither being too available and excited to immediately respond, but also not taking so long that she thinks she's being ghosted. That's really all you have to do. And you'll figure out the type of woman she is the more you see her.

Cool, that's actually really easy. It's a very interesting point that I should only be reaching out to invite her over for sex or go to hers for sex. My instinct was to invite her out for drinks & cook with her and stuff, but based on the comments here, that path would lead to a relationship, which we don't want. We just want to have some pvssy on tap while I continue to go out every day and gather other leads.

But like you mentioned, expectations at zero. If nothing happens, it is what it is.

 

[Vanderdonck]

I’m making it a point to go out solo whenever I can. In fact, most of my sessions will be solo. Wings are not always going to have the desire nor motivation to go out.

So if I wanted this girl to be my GF, I would take her out and do stuff.

But if I want to maintain a FWB, I just strictly invite her straight over for sex a couple times a week, and keep doing that until the relationship terminates? Is that correct?

Good for you bro.

Yes exactly - if she's down to be a FWB she will be okay with it. If not (and eventually she will tire of it, or you will) she'll either stop or push for more from you.

But the trap is little things like hanging out a lot afterwards, cooking, running errands together, even getting a cup of coffee together. It gives relationship vibes and having been fukked by you, she will start to bond. As men we see these things as just cool ways to spend time or ways to be nice, but it can be a trap.

I'm not saying kick her out after taking the condom off, but just be sure you have boundaries - for you.

 

[crowolf]

Good job, mate.

Two things I'd comment on:

1) How do you do 30 approaches without getting exhausted? I will do 1 cold approach set ~10 min. (during the day), and I will need to rest after that, lol. I guess night-game is a bit different, but still - 30 is a big number. Did you count every small interaction, as saying "hey"?

2) "She told me how bad she wanted to fvck me" - here I would tease her and get her so needy that she starts begging. It's more fun like that, and a freak like her would love it.

About your situation now: the ball is in your hands, really. She seems very clingy, which can be lovely. I think you decide what role you want her to play in your life, and make her fit into that. And you should maintain your frame, unless you want to only see her 1 or 2 times more. That means having a backbone, boundaries, and not let her have you too much invested, because then she'll quickly lose interest.

I'm somewhat talking from experience on this, but of course - do what you know is right, don't listen to advice that may influence you to act inauthentically to yourself. Good luck!

 

[SW15]

How do you do 30 approaches without getting exhausted? I will do 1 cold approach set ~10 min. (during the day), and I will need to rest after that, lol. I guess night-game is a bit different, but still - 30 is a big number. Did you count every small interaction, as saying "hey"?

I am interested to read @nicksaiz65 's input on this.

He has mentioned multiple 25+ approach nights in nightgame.

I can't recall nights where I said openers to 30 women in a bar/nightlife venue setting. I'm somewhat introverted (lone wolf, sigma male avatar). A 30 approach night in a bar is somewhat out of character for me. I am introverted and horny at the same time, so that has carried me to approaches in both bars and non-bar venues. I can recall nights where I opened at least 10-15 women in an unstructured bar setting.

My daygame sessions have gotten nowhere near 30 approaches. I can think of times where I delivered openers to 5 women in 60 minutes in a grocery store.

It's even difficult to open 30 women outdoors (park, path, or street game) on the same day.

 

[Oatmeal31]

I am interested to read @nicksaiz65 's input on this.

He has mentioned multiple 25+ approach nights in nightgame.

I can't recall nights where I said openers to 30 women in a bar/nightlife venue setting. I'm somewhat introverted (lone wolf, sigma male avatar). A 30 approach night in a bar is somewhat out of character for me. I am introverted and horny at the same time, so that has carried me to approaches in both bars and non-bar venues. I can recall nights where I opened at least 10-15 women in an unstructured bar setting.

My daygame sessions have gotten nowhere near 30 approaches. I can think of times where I delivered openers to 5 women in 60 minutes in a grocery store.

It's even difficult to open 30 women outdoors (park, path, or street game) on the same day.

Not hard to hit 30+ in some hours on the street if there are plenty attractive women in a bustling area and you're hustling. But you have to have the drive for it, and enthusiasm if you want results

It's much harder to get volume in a store. Still do it from time to time if I feel like it. This is also part of the reason I don't go to bars often. It's harder to hit as much volume as you can with street daygame. I can jump from girl to girl on the street and not have to worry about developing a reputation in a venue where other girls can see me.

In a bar setting, I need to be a bit more wary and play it a bit slower, test waters, talk to everyone to seem like a sociable guy, etc. If you don't, then you may be seen as 'that guy' I guess. It's easier to slide around unnoticed in a club, since it's so loud and people are more likely to be distracted

Also, I just recently started working as a barback and I never realized how lonely people seem when they're by themselves and don't talk to others around them. Doesn't help their image. Not a concern when I'm approaching solo on the street

 

[BPH]

Right, you say to set your expectations at zero and be pleasantly surprised yes?

That's kinda how I approach everything, really. I don't get excited about things until they're actually happening - not in anticipation of what SHOULD happen.

Cool, that's actually really easy. It's a very interesting point that I should only be reaching out to invite her over for sex or go to hers for sex. My instinct was to invite her out for drinks & cook with her and stuff, but based on the comments here, that path would lead to a relationship, which we don't want. We just want to have some pvssy on tap while I continue to go out every day and gather other leads.

But like you mentioned, expectations at zero. If nothing happens, it is what it is.

This is going to vary a little bit. Some girls want to have SOMETHING before it becomes just sex; a couple drinks, maybe watch a movie, etc. Others will be cool with you just coming over, f***ing a few times with some pillow talk sprinkled in, then you leaving.

Even promiscuous women will want to avoid feeling like a total wh*re, so if you want any sort of longevity you will still want to treat her like a woman - and not simply a deposit box for your nut. I would wager this is why I often maintain FWBs for a pretty lengthy period of time, so long as they're not pushing for something more serious; I still LIKE the women I sleep with.

How do you do 30 approaches without getting exhausted?

Be less soft.

In all seriousness, the hardest part about doing 30 approaches would be finding 30 women I find attractive enough AND not having some level of success along the way that stops me short of that number.

 

[SW15]

Not hard to hit 30+ in some hours on the street if there are plenty attractive women in a bustling area and you're hustling. But you have to have the drive for it, and enthusiasm if you want results

In the USA, the places with sufficient foot traffic on city streets for this to happen would be New York, Chicago, and Boston. These would be the older style cities with more of a pedestrian culture and foot traffic.

In most of the larger Sun Belt cities, it would be difficult to do 30 street approaches even if you are hustling. In Dallas, there's only one place where 30 approaches in a few hours in daygame might be possible. It's the Katy Trail. I reviewed the Katy Trail in the Dallas thread in December 2023.

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/observations-on-dallas-scene.273448/page-14#post-3079709

In order to do 30 Katy Trail approaches in 2-4 hours, the following would have to be true....

1. It would either be a weekend or holiday.
2. The approaching guy wouldn't be that selective and he would be approaching women using headphones/earbuds and maybe even from behind and running up ahead of them. As you say, it would be hustling.

When I've typically done 2 hour sessions on the Katy Trail, I have typically done much fewer than 30 approaches. I am more selective on my approaches. I let some so called opportunities pass without an approach because they are weaker options with a high probability of rejection. I tend to be more introverted and more calculating on my non-bar approaches.

 

[Cartopis84]

About Nightgame...90% of my access to women consists entirely of clubbing. One thing I have noticed is that even the most receptive women who approach me do not have the same interest the next day. I believe my text game is the strongest part of my game as have gotten hundreds of "pic closes" through specific tactics I have developed so its not that.
Is it fair to say that whne you are having fun with a woman in a club venue this is a whole different "world" to the real world the next day?? Which would mean someone would go from ultra receptive to not at all once they exit this world. If that is the case is a SNL the best and only option for nightgame?

 

[BPH]

About Nightgame...90% of my access to women consists entirely of clubbing. One thing I have noticed is that even the most receptive women who approach me do not have the same interest the next day. I believe my text game is the strongest part of my game as have gotten hundreds of "pic closes" through specific tactics I have developed so its not that.
Is it fair to say that whne you are having fun with a woman in a club venue this is a whole different "world" to the real world the next day?? Which would mean someone would go from ultra receptive to not at all once they exit this world. If that is the case is a SNL the best and only option for nightgame?

3 years of lurking and you pop your cherry by asking about whether a same night lay is the only option for nightgame?

To answer your immediate question, no, but it is often the most exercised option. Women may feel different the next day for a variety of reasons you'll have no control over. Maybe you were a rebound. Maybe she had a fight with her boyfriend earlier that day and she just cheated on him with you. Maybe this is her first one night stand and she feels guilty.

I've had a couple girls turn into a regular hookup for a little bit, but whether it becomes anything more than than a same night lay is almost entirely up to them. Chances are if I was attracted to them last night, I'm attracted to them today.

That said, I don't think you need to be worrying about this if your metric for being good at texting is "pic closes". I would think a better metric is dates that turned into lays, or lays that turned into FWBs/relationships. There was a quote I read somewhere about how you'll never find a woman who flirts harder than one who has no intention of meeting you. Why would I want a dirty pic of a girl if I could have the real thing?

Based on your thinking above that your text game is the "strongest" part of your game makes me think it's probably much weaker than you realize. Like that "pickup artist" bootcamp on Channel 5 where the guy is bragging about his makeout count.

 

[Cartopis84]

3 years of lurking and you pop your cherry by asking about whether a same night lay is the only option for nightgame?

To answer your immediate question, no, but it is often the most exercised option. Women may feel different the next day for a variety of reasons you'll have no control over. Maybe you were a rebound. Maybe she had a fight with her boyfriend earlier that day and she just cheated on him with you. Maybe this is her first one night stand and she feels guilty.

I've had a couple girls turn into a regular hookup for a little bit, but whether it becomes anything more than than a same night lay is almost entirely up to them. Chances are if I was attracted to them last night, I'm attracted to them today.

That said, I don't think you need to be worrying about this if your metric for being good at texting is "pic closes". I would think a better metric is dates that turned into lays, or lays that turned into FWBs/relationships. There was a quote I read somewhere about how you'll never find a woman who flirts harder than one who has no intention of meeting you. Why would I want a dirty pic of a girl if I could have the real thing?

Based on your thinking above that your text game is the "strongest" part of your game makes me think it's probably much weaker than you realize. Like that "pickup artist" bootcamp on Channel 5 where the guy is bragging about his makeout count.

Agree with the first point, it is extremely situational. I think it is a rare few who would carry the same mindset into the next day and while it is for sure possible I believe the success rate definitely plummets. Even more so if its in a club setting rather than a bar setting as a club setting doesnt allow for much convo to build a "connection".
For your second point, ATM my metric is pic closes as I have moved out of the US and am living in a pretty conservative country where my options are pretty limited due to a variety of factors so it is definitely something I have worked on.

 

[nicksaiz65]

This was an excellent amount of approaches for me going out solo especially. I'm starting to get a lot more used to it, which in my opinion is critical. Before, when going out solo, there were sessions where I couldn't do a single approach. I also felt much more comfortable doing the groups by myself(though it's something that I am still working on.)

One important detail is that I got my stuff together and chores done earlier in the day so I could go out early in the night. I touched down on the strip around 11:30 PM. Imo you need to get there before midnight so that you have plenty of time to work. If you have the full 3-4 hours to game, then there's no way that you are going to go home without talking to anybody.

I also did this session completely sober, I didn't drink until I was already a


Agreed. This seems to be more of a rare exception than the rule.


This time, I learned from my previous failed pulls and was decidedly more aggressive. One of the escalation moves I did was taking her hand and placing it on my d!ck while we were on the couch lol. She responded very well to the assertiveness, as opposed to when I was being more meek in the past which ended up blowing out the set.


I've questioned how to handle this. Of course, always have a condom on you wherever whenever because you never know. Should we just put one in the front pocket each day? Not very convenient though. Condoms aren't supposed to be left in the wallet over an extended period of time, right? (Though it is very convenient to keep them in there.) Or maybe you just put them in the wallet each time? It's been something I've been thinking about.





Cool, I'll get that text sent. I didn't arrange plans that night because I had been drinking and I wasn't sure what my schedule was. I'm busy Tuesday evening so I can only see her late tonight or Wednesday. We'll see what happens.

Oops. It was late when I typed this. I was trying to say "I didn't drink until I was at the girls' house."