"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Nice without AFC
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Ya think???inzone50 said:
Give a complement that doubles as a behavior enforcer. It needs to be specific enough so that she can replicate the action. More times than not the complement is genuine and not not misconstrued as supplicant.
There's a woman I'm seeing who makes sure that she's wearing a nice dress and shoes with her legs are smooth and silky whenever we're together, even if we are just going to hang out at home. It started when I complemented her on wearing sandals with heels instead of those slouchy flip-flops during the summer months.
I told her I like the way that the heels accentuate her calf muscles. It got to the point of me giving her a calf check under the table during dinner. I tell her that I like the smoothness of her skin. Long story short, she goes out of her way to make sure her legs are presentable to me and I let her know that I approve. It can be looked upon as a game that we both enjoy playing.
What I'm trying to say is, use push/pull .... hmmm... reward for good behavior and don't tolerate unacceptable manners.
This nice guy=AFC notion is encouraging lots of antisocial/distasteful behaviors!
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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If you're strong in yourself, just doing or saying something nice shouldn't be giving away your power. If we're that fvcking weak and pathetic, we should just give up.
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
Would I do some of the things that they do? No fvcken way!!! Could it be done? Yes.
comic_relief
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bingocomic_relief said:
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
This is something that is inherently AFC.
And these behaviors, and perspectives, which are BTW totally out of whack, are the "Red Flags" that women have when interacting with the poor AFC.
AFC are in LOVE with "LOVE". They want the excitement of "feeling" in "LOVE". And it's all an illusion. An unhealthy one at that.
They are Romantic, for the SAKE of "BEING" Romantic.
They place women on pedastles because they IDEALIZE Them, and place them above themselves, as if they were Godesses, not flesh and blood sexual creatures.
AFCs, by nature, (falsely, and mislead by their "feelings" of love), don't fall in love with the Woman. They fall in love with "LOVE" They are in LOVE with their "feelings", NOT the woman. The woman is simply a placeholder for the AFC to use for his injection of infatuation.
They don't REALLY "SEE" THE WOMAN.
They only SEE THEMSELVES, and how THEY "FEEL".
They are self centered. They are only concened with how THEY "feel".
They want a woman's validation.
They don't want a hot, sexual, fun, and adult relationship.
They want VALIDATION from a woman. Plain and simple.
They feel unworthy, awkward, and unconfident, and only awake when either a woman shows interest in them, or when they see a woman they are attracted to.
Some people say that AFCs "love like women."
Actually, I'm not positive on that one.
BUT I BELIEVE...
AFCs are in LOVE with feelings of VALIDATION, and the ILLUSION of "LOVE" and ROMANCE.
Some of women's (AFC) Red Flags early in a relationship:
Telling them ALL your feelings.
Telling them how much you "love" them. Even though you've only been together a few times.
Poems.
Flowers.
Candy. (all these things are NOT deserved for someone you just met! She KNOWS this! And she thinks to herself :"How does this guy NOT know this??! Is something wrong with him??Has he ever been with a woman? Why is he doing this? I would NEVER do this! Not with a guy I just met! He must be inexperienced. What a shame. Sorry, dork boy.. NEXT!!"
Corny speech. "I just love how your eyes are beautiful like the ocean! It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside!"
Acting OVERLY "respectful".
NO Kino. Because , remember, do NOT touch the Godess! She's is not interested in Sex, by God! You are not worthy of her, dog!
Friendship oriented communciation. Meaning, NO sexy talk, or suggestive action, touching, teasing, or normal ADULT , and Maculine man behavior.
Talking about video games, Dungeons and Dragons, and how much you like to talk in the KLingon "language".
All these things, and certainly more, are red flags to women because they demonstrate your lack of experience with women. And especially...Sex.
You obviously demonstrate lack of knowledge of sexuality, and interaction with women.
You come off as being in "love" with her when you just met.
You display signs of being unworthy of her because of being overly complimenting on her, especially on her looks.
Being awkward interacting with her. I remember an episode of some reality dating show, and this poor dork was so NOT used to going out with women that he totally overdid the "Chivalry" thing calling his date "M' Lady" as if they were in the Medieival Era. Running to open doors and things He came across as a totally inexperienced, "finally a date with a real woman! I can't believe this is happening!" unconfident dork. She obviously was not attracted to him, and said that she thought the guy wasn't used to being with women.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I crack up, she looks at me and says "Ithorian.. what?" And I'm like "Hammerhead! Don't you remember Hammerhead from the Cantina on Mos Eisely? That's the name of his species! They have like two hearts... if Han Solo had drank anymore, he'd be dead long before Greedo could come and claim Jabba's Bounty on him! HELL-O??"
Some chicks are pretty dense man.
Sorry.
As usual Interceptor that was a great post.
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
You SO had me!
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