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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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'nice guy' versus nice guy - an observation

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I've read some of the seduction literature, including this excellently written post "Kill your desperation" http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000199.html

It seems the common view of the 'nice guy' is: desperate, non-confident, doormat and never makes the first move. There was a guy in a chatroom who was talking about this definition and a girl put it this way: "That sounds more like a confidence thing than being a nice guy" I'd have to agree with this. I myself over the years have been transitioning from 'nice guy' to nice guy. Even being good looking won't compensate for desperation.

In fact, two years ago there was one week in particular where I felt so content with my life that I felt no desperation to have complete strangers chat with me. Guess what, I started having a few ppl chat with me. Nobody would before then. If I'd kept this up long enough, I prolly woulda had women approaching me for chat too :)

On the subject of 'nice guy', if you look at the Intellectual *****s site QUIZ (are you an IW), quite frankly it should be renamed to "Are you a desperate doormat quiz"
http://www.intellectual*****s.com/ladderquiz.php
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Good points, think there really are two types of nice guys. One type is desparate and the other isn't. The desparate nice guy does all he can to get a girl by doing things that shouldn't be done until later in a relationship, in other words, gives her the impression he can't live without her right from the getgo.

The other type is nice, but doesn't rush things, likes a girl and takes his time, and doesn't barrage her with uncessary worshipping. He has the confidence to do this.

In both instances, you'll often find the nice guy is the more intelligent than average guy. It could be because nice guys think on deeper and multiple levels and therefore have likely experienced more depression in their life. People that experience depression are often very thoughtful and considerate of other people's feelings. A good example would be Abraham Lincoln.
 
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