NG Pull Report(w/ wings, no close)

[nicksaiz65]

Wanted to post up on this while it's still fresh on my mind.

Went out as usual this weekend. Looks like my wing/roommate is officially un-burnt out because he wanted to come along.

We started the night by going to some smaller rooftop bars around 10:30-11(there's always enough volume to approach downtown, but I'm always looking for new spots.) Unfortunately, these were kind of a bust. At best there were, say, 3 girls that we could talk to at the venue? Too many couples and not enough single women. I'm debating if it's better just to use my time to hit the strip earlier.

After that, we went downtown. Mostly rejections, until my wing approached this one black girl. I thought it was a solo, so I went off to do my own thing for a bit and went to talk to some more girls. But then he texted me asking me to meet him at a bar downtown. It turns out that the girl's cousin arrived. I entered the set and it seemed to be going well. There was chemistry, we were flirting, with my girl straight up telling me that she liked me and that I was cute, and eventually we both were walking to the car, each holding our girls hands to go get some drinks.

We made it to the spot, put on some music, and then played some games(darts.) After building some comfort, one thing I did well was isolate my girl back to my room reasonably quickly. One issue I've had in the past that has been pointed out on here is being too passive when pulling. So, I've learned from that mistake.

I was having trouble getting the girl to escalate. At first, she was throwing a bunch of objections about having to be up early for work tomorrow. I said "don't call a Lyft, you can literally set a timer for 20 mins on your phone and I'll throw you out after that." That bought me a bit of time. But the girl was still tough to escalate on.

I told her "sit next to me" on the bed. Nope! She wouldn't do it!

She later complained about being cold, so I threw one of my sweaters on her. After that, all of us vibed again in the living room. I eventually realized that her sweater was on inside out, so I told her to let me fix her shirt. We went back to my room, and went into the bathroom, then I helped her with the sweater. I tried to escalate from there: wrapping my hands around her waist and telling her "damn, you're so sexy." After that, I tried to kiss her but she rejected by the advance and was like "you're so crazy!" and laughed. Smh.

It seemed that my wing was having better luck, but then my girl blew out the pull & called a Lyft. We had no choice but to kick them out from there.

I can only assume that this girl was playing games.

Still a pull, but wasn't able to close this one. All good though. I'll be out all throughout this week as well as the weekend. I'll get a chance to take a swing at a bunch of solo sessions as well.

 

[SW15]

This seems like an issue with Last Minute Resistance (LMR). What do you know about LMR and how to overcome it?

You might be pulling too fast to your place if you are getting LMR at your place.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I was having trouble getting the girl to escalate

Relying on someone else to make moves, rather than taking the lead oneself, can have that effect

 

[The Duke]

Turn them on mentally first, then the physical stuff comes a lot easier.

 

[BPH]

I think more details could help flesh this story out more:

What was the timeline from when you met up with her to when you went back to your place? This sounds a bit rushed maybe - every event is only 2-3 sentences so it reads like this all happened very fast.

My initial thoughts are: A. despite her saying so, she wasn't that interested B. she's only there to take care of her cousin and really does have work early in the morning C. she felt you were moving too fast and didn't want to appear slu**y in front of her cousin or D. there were things outside your control that you couldn't have known.

Although, it does all boil down to simply "not interested enough".

 

[Clockwerk50]

But then he texted me asking me to meet him at a bar downtown. It turns out that the girl's cousin arrived. I entered the set and it seemed to be going well. There was chemistry, we were flirting, with my girl straight up telling me that she liked me and that I was cute, and eventually we both were walking to the car, each holding our girls hands to go get some drinks.

We made it to the spot, put on some music, and then played some games(darts.) After building some comfort, one thing I did well was isolate my girl back to my room reasonably quickly. One issue I've had in the past that has been pointed out on here is being too passive when pulling. So, I've learned from that mistake.

I was having trouble getting the girl to escalate. At first, she was throwing a bunch of objections about having to be up early for work tomorrow. I said "don't call a Lyft, you can literally set a timer for 20 mins on your phone and I'll throw you out after that." That bought me a bit of time. But the girl was still tough to escalate on.

I told her "sit next to me" on the bed. Nope! She wouldn't do it!

What exactly were you doing to escalate the situation? Obviously, something happened between when you were walking to the car and your attempts to escalate, because she seemed to be turned off.

Anecdotally, in my younger days, there were rumors that this hot girl who came in and out of my social circle liked me. She was lukewarm at best. One day, I threw a party at my house, and three of my boys and I, plus her, were smoking a cigarette outside. We all went back inside, but she and I were the last ones to go in. I thought to myself, “no time to hesitate,” so I grabbed her and went for the kiss near the hallway floor of my apartment building. She rejected me and said, “I’m not that type of girl.” It went downhill from there.

Case in point: unless a girl wants to be kissed, and unless she’s already feeling that urge, you’re not going to get very far. You can build up to that moment by gradually raising her temperature or by letting her romanticize the idea in her own mind. It doesn’t just depend on you, but also on her state of mind. And if it doesn’t happen upon initial interest chances are you dropped the ball somewhere along the way.

She later complained about being cold, so I threw one of my sweaters on her. After that, all of us vibed again in the living room. I eventually realized that her sweater was on inside out, so I told her to let me fix her shirt. We went back to my room, and went into the bathroom, then I helped her with the sweater. I tried to escalate from there: wrapping my hands around her waist and telling her "damn, you're so sexy." After that, I tried to kiss her but she rejected by the advance and was like "you're so crazy!" and laughed. Smh.

That italicized section comes off a little creepy and gives the impression you were ignoring her social cues. It's like when you're texting a girl who's not really into you, and she gives dry responses, takes forever to reply, and you can just feel her disinterest. Same idea here. She had already rejected you earlier, and instead of recalibrating, you kept trying to push forward. The “damn, you’re so sexy” line makes it sound like you were running on auto-pilot and not really tuned into the vibe, which makes me think you need to refine your game a little.

That said, if you weren’t going to see her again, the Hail Mary is understandable. But here’s something that helps when going straight to the physical: a lot of people get uncomfortable when things escalate too quickly, even if they’re attracted to you. In those moments, it’s more effective to create a vibe that feels emotionally rich or even a bit poetic, like there’s something deeper happening. When the moment feels meaningful or intimate rather than just physical, people are more open to leaning in. If it feels like a shared experience rather than a calculated move, it’s less likely to get shut down. If you go too direct and it falls flat, take a step back and try this instead. For example, something like “I can’t believe we met like that, it felt like destiny” might have taken you a little further.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Relying on someone else to make moves, rather than taking the lead oneself, can have that effect

getting the girl to respond to my escalation*

 

[nicksaiz65]

This seems like an issue with Last Minute Resistance (LMR). What do you know about LMR and how to overcome it?

You might be pulling too fast to your place if you are getting LMR at your place.

Ah, LMR. I remember reading about it in Mystery Method but I don't really know much about it tbh. I probably need to have a solid strategy for this type of thing. Maybe I should reread Mystery Method and Roosh again.

Pulling too fast? Like, we should go to a different venue or vibe more first?

 

[zekko]

You might be pulling too fast to your place if you are getting LMR at your place.

Well, he did say that it was pointed out to him that he was too passive when pulling so maybe he just overcompensated. He'll probably find his correct calibration, that what experience is for. But these things can vary some by the woman too.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Turn them on mentally first, then the physical stuff comes a lot easier.

How would you suggest I go about this?

 

[BaronOfHair]

getting the girl to respond to my escalation*

Yeah, her response is contigent upon a potential suitor initiating

 

[nicksaiz65]

I think more details could help flesh this story out more:

What was the timeline from when you met up with her to when you went back to your place? This sounds a bit rushed maybe - every event is only 2-3 sentences so it reads like this all happened very fast.

My initial thoughts are: A. despite her saying so, she wasn't that interested B. she's only there to take care of her cousin and really does have work early in the morning C. she felt you were moving too fast and didn't want to appear slu**y in front of her cousin or D. there were things outside your control that you couldn't have known.

Although, it does all boil down to simply "not interested enough".

Yeah, to be fair, I did type this up pretty quickly on low sleep. So it's a bit shorter than my usual FRs.

For timeframe, it was a fast pull. No more than 10-15 mins. I thought it was going well because she was super touchy, flirting, telling me how she liked me, etc.

We vibed and then my wing and I isolated each of our girls.

I could see any of those being true.

And not to beat a dead horse into the ground, but I'll bet that @SW15 would agree that a better physique would override a lot of the issues I'm running into here.

I've been very good about the diet and I am lifting 3 days a week(feels great to be lifting again!) now plus cardio so that's going well.

 

[SW15]

For timeframe, it was a fast pull. No more than 10-15 mins.

LMR is going to be common on that fast of a pull. 10-15 minutes often isn't enough time to have them ready for sex at your place.

It's unknown how much alcohol your woman consumed.

I'll bet that @SW15 would agree that a better physique would override a lot of the issues I'm running into here.

Physique is #1. LMR can still happen with 10-15% body fat and aesthetic muscle definition. It's less likely to happen and it's going to be milder when it does happen.

 

[The Duke]

How would you suggest I go about this?

tell good stories about life experiences, build on commonalities, make her laugh, show her you have intelligence.

 

[nicksaiz65]

What exactly were you doing to escalate the situation? Obviously, something happened between when you were walking to the car and your attempts to escalate, because she seemed to be turned off.

Anecdotally, in my younger days, there were rumors that this hot girl who came in and out of my social circle liked me. She was lukewarm at best. One day, I threw a party at my house, and three of my boys and I, plus her, were smoking a cigarette outside. We all went back inside, but she and I were the last ones to go in. I thought to myself, “no time to hesitate,” so I grabbed her and went for the kiss near the hallway floor of my apartment building. She rejected me and said, “I’m not that type of girl.” It went downhill from there.

Case in point: unless a girl wants to be kissed, and unless she’s already feeling that urge, you’re not going to get very far. You can build up to that moment by gradually raising her temperature or by letting her romanticize the idea in her own mind. It doesn’t just depend on you, but also on her state of mind. And if it doesn’t happen upon initial interest chances are you dropped the ball somewhere along the way.

Upon pulling, it was physical, she was flirting, and so on. After that, we vibed, and isolated... from there she seemed to not be as into it. Based on what I'm reading in this thread I may have been too pushy/aggressive.

That italicized section comes off a little creepy and gives the impression you were ignoring her social cues. It's like when you're texting a girl who's not really into you, and she gives dry responses, takes forever to reply, and you can just feel her disinterest. Same idea here. She had already rejected you earlier, and instead of recalibrating, you kept trying to push forward. The “damn, you’re so sexy” line makes it sound like you were running on auto-pilot and not really tuned into the vibe, which makes me think you need to refine your game a little.

That said, if you weren’t going to see her again, the Hail Mary is understandable. But here’s something that helps when going straight to the physical: a lot of people get uncomfortable when things escalate too quickly, even if they’re attracted to you. In those moments, it’s more effective to create a vibe that feels emotionally rich or even a bit poetic, like there’s something deeper happening. When the moment feels meaningful or intimate rather than just physical, people are more open to leaning in. If it feels like a shared experience rather than a calculated move, it’s less likely to get shut down. If you go too direct and it falls flat, take a step back and try this instead. For example, something like “I can’t believe we met like that, it felt like destiny” might have taken you a little further.

Hm, makes sense. I was just pushing forward after already being rejected so it didn't work. I kind of was doing the Hail Mary at that point lol. So it's good to keep in mind escalation strategies like this once back at the house. For when she isn't instantly receptive, for example. I had issues with being too passive with girls at the house in the past, so I was trying to be more aggressive this time. But, I will keep these escalation strategies in mind.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Well, he did say that it was pointed out to him that he was too passive when pulling so maybe he just overcompensated. He'll probably find his correct calibration, that what experience is for. But these things can vary some by the woman too.

Yeah, exactly haha. First I was too passive, and this time I was too aggressive. I'll keep calibrating. Having a general escalation strategy instead of just winging it, and knowing what to do if she doesn't reply to the move instead of just pushing would probably help as well.