New study slams "years of shoddy research" about Red Meat...finds it is not "bad for you" nor is it a health risk

OngBak

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Yes, I thought that was implied with what I said. Plaque is bad. IF one has plaque, better it is stable than unstable. Statins, for all their bad internet rap, stabilize the plaque.

Back on the topic of red meat - I'd like to see in the future RCTs that examine different types of red meat. Probably far off. What are the differences between pork, beef, lamb, goat, venison, etc. Some religions swear off pork for hygienic reasons. Thoughts?
You are referring to Muslims. When it comes to health, they are actually pretty accurate. Back then there was no way to find out what is really healthy and what isn’t, but Muslim religion from what I know already had some information without any application of science, which wasn’t possible anyways back then

For example fasting, Muslims fast every year for a certain amount of time and its considered tradition and consideration of health and god in their religion.

Pigs are unclean, its possible that they even eat their own poop. So from their standpoint it’s unlikely that someone who eats and dwells in dirt can be healthy for the body, which makes actually sense.

These are only few examples, there are many more and it’s surprising when you look into it.
 

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Yes, I thought that was implied with what I said. Plaque is bad. IF one has plaque, better it is stable than unstable. Statins, for all their bad internet rap, stabilize the plaque.

Back on the topic of red meat - I'd like to see in the future RCTs that examine different types of red meat. Probably far off. What are the differences between pork, beef, lamb, goat, venison, etc. Some religions swear off pork for hygienic reasons. Thoughts?
I'd love to see it for sure. It seems as though most red meat research is by researchers with a vegetarian agenda or a bunch of N=1 "carnivore" types. Most of the red meat research is epidemiological and/or using those dang FFQs. The biggest issues will be finding a big enough sample of people (no tobacco, alcohol, and frequent exercisers) and I would think they would want to track over 5-10 years. So funding is going to be a problem. I missed the final cut for Dave Feldman's study of lean hyper responders and cholesterol. I was told it was geography. He thought it would be a 5 year study. Turns out it didn't take near that long because the machines that measure calcium scores are much better and super sensitive now. Anyway, he couldn't get funding so he crowd funded it then got a University to adopt it. That may have to be how it goes for an unbiased red meat RCT.

I think the problem with pork is that they are natural omnivores. Because of this they were potentially competing for the same food sources as humans. They were also destructive to our farm land and a danger to some of the live stock. I think the hogs that are shot in the wild are better than what we get at the store. As far as commercial pork, some ranchers will throw their garbage into the hog pens for disposal. When they are not eating that, they are getting substandard grains that didn't make it to market. We have forced them to become vegetarian when nature never intended that for them. Because of this they're highly stressed (High omega 6) and get compromised immune systems. So they get shot up with antibiotics. I'll eat it sometimes but I don't think it should be a staple. I certainly don't buy it.
 

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Hi Obee,
"I think the hogs that are shot in the wild are better than what we get at the store"Well I don't know about the States,but down here the Wild Hogs are riddled with T.B.....Youngest Son has a thousand odd acres up in the Mountains,Pigs are are a real problem,dangerous too....He hunts them with crossbred Dogs,even made a Leather suit of armour for one...Occasionally He gets a couple of little porkers caught by the Dogs,they grab hold of their ears LOL...These are penned up for six weeks and fed Kitchen Scraps and Oats...Roasted on stones in a Hunghi dug in the ground they are Tasty...An Old recluse up the back of him went missing,they only found his boots!
 

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Hi Obee,
"I think the hogs that are shot in the wild are better than what we get at the store"Well I don't know about the States,but down here the Wild Hogs are riddled with T.B.....Youngest Son has a thousand odd acres up in the Mountains,Pigs are are a real problem,dangerous too....He hunts them with crossbred Dogs,even made a Leather suit of armour for one...Occasionally He gets a couple of little porkers caught by the Dogs,they grab hold of their ears LOL...These are penned up for six weeks and fed Kitchen Scraps and Oats...Roasted on stones in a Hunghi dug in the ground they are Tasty...An Old recluse up the back of him went missing,they only found his boots!
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