NEW opener for day game (street sarging)

[DonJoseCantosie]

I think indirect works the best, because if you use direct game she might not be attracted to you, or comfortable enough with you, but with indirect game you can get her attracted to you, and more comfortable. The mystery method is basicaly. {Attraction > Comfort > Seduction} > Relationship. There's a reason he's the best PUA.

Direct game, might work in clubs once in a while, but it won't work often in day light. Her social value is at risk.

Thats the advantage of direct. Sure a girl won't be comfortable at first(She's not use to it), but its because she's blown away with the power of opening confidently like that. Its ur job to get her comfortable. And he's the most Popular PUA, eventho he's good, doesn't mean he's the best. Thats an opinion. And about it not working often in the day light, i have to disagree with this whole heartedly. It works BETTER in the day. Of course at the start, u'll get rejected alot, but its because ur not congruent with ur body language and voice with words. When u get there, thats when it shows. Ur putting her on a pedastal with concerns about her "social value". Her social value doesn't matter at all. Ur a man, she's a woman. Thats all u need as value's concerned. Honestly, what guy goes up to her "The right way" in the day? Not many.

 

[ChrizZ]

Stop the ho chasing.

If she isn't feeling you no super routine will get her to fvck you.

Look for IOIs first or you will make a complete fool out of yourself.

 

[Stéphane]

Sorry you don't know what your talking about. She might be blown away, but that doesn't mean she's attracted in you, and girls are only interested in people with higher value then themselves. That's why you cannot build interest without showing higher value, and attraction, or she won't be interested.

Like a woman that's 30 might be attracted to a 19 year old, but she won't f*ck him, because she got higher value (she's older).

A woman might be impressed by a multi-millionaire, but she won't f*ck him, because she's not attracted to him.

You need value, and attraction in order to build interest, and you can't build that without making an indirect approach. You got a lot to learn kid.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

direct is nice and easy, but once you've showed interest in her, you can't really bust on her with your C&F banter, negs etc
I don't see direct openers working for me.. My friend tried it 3 times.. got rejected with "I'm busy/have a BF" line.

And I don't see how direct openers can be used on Group sets..

I beg to differ in terms of direct being THAT easy. If that was the case, most guys would be doing it and a good amount have admitted to me and others that it is harder. Also, why would some companies cater more toward direct if it didn't work?

Thats the thing, you shouldn't feel the NEED to do that indirect stuff. Why feel u "have" to be C & F, neg the girl, etc? Why not do things that are natural. U know when the time is right. With ur friends, when ur most comfortable and relaxed, don't u feel its natural when u tease them/be playful? Thats the thing with women...only do it when u feel its right...rather than u feel u HAVE to, imo. When ur friend got rejected 3 times, thats all ur basing success on...getting rejected ONLY 3 times? Has he tried it 25 times atleast? U can't base the effect of a seduction method by only 3 Approaches. Indirect, sure u might not get rejected...but will u still get the girl? Try 25 direct and see where it takes u. Indirect ur basing on "waiting" for her to be interested while with direct, u reveal it flat out....which saves time and u'll know if the girl will EVER be possibly interested. Hell, some girls 1/2 the time when i got eye contact it was neutral but when i went up to them direct...could see the sparkle in their eyes. No joke.

Indirect, imo, is uneeded as the girl liked u in the first place and why do all that stuff if u can just be honest that u like her and then she'll be honest with you?

For group, direct can still work with group(course better for girls who are away from the girl for a bit of time)...but of course u'd have to know about group dynamics and have a keen eye on the mother hen/obstacles. I say this, because u got to stand ur ground. If the obstacle tries to reject you, make sure u don't eject and stay persistent with the girl ur gaming. One time, i went direct with a girl with her friend, the friend told me to go away...i stuck in a little longer, the target somewhat stuck with the friend's choice(seem to not go with her own choice) but 5 minutes later, they're repeatedly looking at me while im doing things elsewhere. U have to show that ur not just an average guy, but a confident, honest, non apologetic guy.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

Sorry you don't know what your talking about. She might be blown away, but that doesn't mean she's attracted in you, and girls are only interested in people with higher value then themselves. That's why you cannot build interest without showing higher value, and attraction, or she won't be interested.

You can do all that stuff direct. You are higher value. Being ur most honest, confident, charming self is high value. Ur making no apologies, not doing any games, no unneeded stuff. U just like her. Want to seduce her. Find out about her. Lay her. Thats it.

Like a woman that's 30 might be attracted to a 19 year old, but she won't f*ck him, because she got higher value (she's older).

A woman might be impressed by a multi-millionaire, but she won't f*ck him, because she's not attracted to him.

But u just said even if a girl is attracted to u, doesn't mean she won't **** you. Which is it? . Just cuz she's 30 doesn't mean the 19 year old can't get her. He just has got to get through her conditioning. "That its ok to have sex w/o worrying about how she'll be perceived"

You need value, and attraction in order to build interest, and you can't build that without making an indirect approach. You got a lot to learn kid.

I disagree son. I believe i have a good idea of what i'm talking about. Why else would she give a reaction like that? To be polite? I disagree. I've seen IOIs right after the opener, obvious IOIs. "Girls are only interested in people with higher value then themselves " Ur showing ur higher value by doing this....by being u. U don't have to be anything else. Will a few girls only want a guy with material possessions, etc? Sure...but really...would u want a girl like that? There are many girls atleast if not hotter than she is who aren't as shallow...and even then...they're cheating on the guys who have the stuff with seducers like us. She is just "one" of many and is afraid that she'll be perceived as just ONE of them. Thats how u come across with her, that she isn't anything too special(this is for girls with ***** shields tho). Most guys who approach aren't that honest. How often is it that a guy will just be straight up with a girl. Its refreshing change for them.

Guys...stop believing u have to do so much just to get the girl. Why not realize u just got to be ur most confident self. Sure u might not get ANY girl u want but u can damn well get a **** load.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

Stop the ho chasing.

If she isn't feeling you no super routine will get her to fvck you.

Look for IOIs first or you will make a complete fool out of yourself.

I agree. Don't try to game a girl that doesnt like u. Different between resistence and ignorance. If u can sense she's holding back...why not crack that...but if u sense she's not intersted period. Why tap dance for the b1tch? lol. But Chris, Are u speaking of IOIS in the sense of approaching only when u get eye contact first? or are u speaking of IOIs during the interaction? Because if its the former...don't let eye contact be the dictator of permanent interest or disinterest. For all you know, she could think ur only looking at her and won't do a thing. If its the latter...i agree.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

Also it doesn't matter how old a girl is, ur always atleast equal in terms of value with her for being a man. No exceptions.

 

[ChrizZ]

I agree. Don't try to game a girl that doesnt like u. Different between resistence and ignorance. If u can sense she's holding back...why not crack that...but if u sense she's not intersted period. Why tap dance for the b1tch? lol. But Chris, Are u speaking of IOIS in the sense of approaching only when u get eye contact first? or are u speaking of IOIs during the interaction? Because if its the former...don't let eye contact be the dictator of permanent interest or disinterest. For all you know, she could think ur only looking at her and won't do a thing. If its the latter...i agree.

When I say IoI I mean EC. If she gives you EC for 2 seconds then you have to step the fvck over there and approach.

Why would a hot b!tch sleep with you or even get sexual with you if she is not even looking at you?

If she is feeling you she won't be holding back.

No such thing as a "b!tch shield". That's just a PUA term made up to give creepy AFCs hope.

Clowns like the OP are the reason why hot women have so much power over AFCs.

Reverse the game fellas...

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

When I say IoI I mean EC. If she gives you EC for 2 seconds then you have to step the fvck over there and approach.

Why would a hot b!tch sleep with you or even get sexual with you if she is not even looking at you?

If she is feeling you she won't be holding back.

No such thing as a "b!tch shield". That's just a PUA term made up to give creepy AFCs hope.

Clowns like the OP are the reason why hot women have so much power over AFCs.

Reverse the game fellas...

Girls who are feeling u...still hold back...some girls are insecure like that. Hence, they'll be shy about eye contact. Why else would some give u eye contact like mad...then "act" as if they weren't interested when u step over? Pure falsehood in their part...they don't want to be perceived as being too easy i guess or whatever logics they have in their head. Its why its best to persist sometimes. Why not take the chance regardless if she gives it to you initially or not? Only takes 30 seconds of ur time. If its cutting down rejection, sure ur way def i agree with...but why limit urself. If u see a girl whom u have so much attraction for by just looking at her first glance...gonna just not approach her cuz she doesn't see u? Going for what u want is reversing the game imo.

 

[Stéphane]

Such horrible advice here..

 

[ChrizZ]

Girls who are feeling u...still hold back...some girls are insecure like that.
That's why you have to make them comfortable. Comfort is where this game is won. You have to get her life story and act interested in her.

Hence, they'll be shy about eye contact. Why else would some give u eye contact like mad...then "act" as if they weren't interested when u step over?

Four possiblities:
1. She thinks you are a creepy loser.
2. You waited to long and she starts to think you are a creepy loser.
3. You are a bad communicator and act nervous.
4. You got mustard on your chin.

Pure falsehood in their part...they don't want to be perceived as being too easy i guess or whatever logics they have in their head. Its why its best to persist sometimes.

That's why you have to always keep your eyes open for EC. A woman that is interested in you will look at you for two seconds and then look away. Women with a lot of confidence will even stare at you for longer. It is your job as a man though to approach DIRECTLY after she gave you the two seconds of EC or you will be labled "Loser" or "Creep"

Why not take the chance regardless if she gives it to you initially or not? Only takes 30 seconds of ur time. If its cutting down rejection, sure ur way def i agree with...but why limit urself. If u see a girl whom u have so much attraction for by just looking at her first glance...gonna just not approach her cuz she doesn't see u? Going for what u want is reversing the game imo.

No, No, NO!!!

Here is what happens when you do that:

1. You give your power away. This game is all about power.
2. Rejections lower your self esteem. Nobody wants to admit that though.
3. You feed the b!tches ego just because she looks hot. That's the ultimate form of putting chicks on a pedestal.

Work on yourself first instead of working on the girls.

I can see so many people on here running around in tennis shoes and goober t-shirts running up into every hot b!tches face and getting rejected.

I know it because I used to be that guy before I became the ultimate player.

Take it from a guy who is seeing five women at the same time. If you guys want to learn the style I use shoot me a PM.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

Such horrible advice here..

Just because i don't agree with ur points does not make my advice horrible. What are the reasons for my advice being horrible. Explain. In my opinion, both styles of game work...i just feel that indirect is unneeded when ur game tight and that direct overall is better.

 

[Stéphane]

Direct is hardly gaming, it's establishing your desires making the woman take a decision right on the spot whether she should or she should not qualify you for the position of been a suitable mate.

She also needs to base this decision on what? All she got as criteria is your looks, and maybe your boldness. Even if she does give you her phone number out of attraction, she won't feel comfortable enough with you, and will probably flake, just look at Jayer journal.

{Attraction > Comfort > Seduction} > Relationship

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

Originally Posted by DonJoseCantosie

Girls who are feeling u...still hold back...some girls are insecure like that.
That's why you have to make them comfortable. Comfort is where this game is won. You have to get her life story and act interested in her.

Hence, they'll be shy about eye contact. Why else would some give u eye contact like mad...then "act" as if they weren't interested when u step over?

Four possiblities:
1. She thinks you are a creepy loser.
2. You waited to long and she starts to think you are a creepy loser.
3. You are a bad communicator and act nervous.
4. You got mustard on your chin.

The above cases prolly do happen but are rare usually. Some girls, if around a group, hold back due to caring too much of what the group thinks. The ones that are alone...they prolly hold back cuz as they might be more nervous than we think ;-)

Pure falsehood in their part...they don't want to be perceived as being too easy i guess or whatever logics they have in their head. Its why its best to persist sometimes.

That's why you have to always keep your eyes open for EC. A woman that is interested in you will look at you for two seconds and then look away. Women with a lot of confidence will even stare at you for longer. It is your job as a man though to approach DIRECTLY after she gave you the two seconds of EC or you will be labled "Loser" or "Creep"

Even after 2 seconds, don't think that low about urself if u dont' do that. Do u think she'll not like what she sees anymore after 2 seconds? But what if she doesn't see u at all? Some girls really don't see you. If she doesn't give u e/c. There could be some reasons. Don't assume she doesn't like you. Let her reject you first before rejecting urself.

Why not take the chance regardless if she gives it to you initially or not? Only takes 30 seconds of ur time. If its cutting down rejection, sure ur way def i agree with...but why limit urself. If u see a girl whom u have so much attraction for by just looking at her first glance...gonna just not approach her cuz she doesn't see u? Going for what u want is reversing the game imo.

No, No, NO!!!

Here is what happens when you do that:

1. You give your power away. This game is all about power.
2. Rejections lower your self esteem. Nobody wants to admit that though.
3. You feed the b!tches ego just because she looks hot. That's the ultimate form of putting chicks on a pedestal.

You're not giving power whatsoever. Wat power are u losing? U go up to her, wanting to seduce her. She can accept or reject. Ur still u regardless...no power lost whatsover. Rejections only lower ur self asteem if u let it get the best of u. When u take action, u'll eventually get sucess. The success equals out with the rejections. At first, yes...rejection can get to you...but are u gonna let it destroy you? Rather than learn from it? About putting a b!tch on a pedastal...ur only putting her on a pedastal if u have to come up with an excuse to talk to her. U going up to her and being unapologetic and confident and talking to her in the manner that ur seducing her not in the manner that she's above you puts her on no pedastal. Just cuz she rejects u does not mean she's above you. Letting that rejection get the best of u will tho. Moving on and seducing another girl is proof of this. Even better if she sees you doing it...think her ego will be top still? But honestly...u think that makes her above us? Thats her biggest flaw...having to appear mighty...yet...deep down...she's still an insecure little girl.

Work on yourself first instead of working on the girls.

I can see so many people on here running around in tennis shoes and goober t-shirts running up into every hot b!tches face and getting rejected.

I know it because I used to be that guy before I became the ultimate player.

Take it from a guy who is seeing five women at the same time. If you guys want to learn the style I use shoot me a PM.

I agree that u shouldn't walk up to EVERY hot girl u see(too much energy)...but if u want to seduce a majority u see at first glance, improve ur way of approach, get better at the game...i see why not.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

Direct is hardly gaming, it's establishing your desires making the woman take a decision right on the spot whether she should or she should not qualify you for the position of been a suitable mate.

She also needs to base this decision on what? All she got as criteria is your looks, and maybe your boldness. Even if she does give you her phone number out of attraction, she won't feel comfortable enough with you, and will probably flake, just look at Jayer journal.

{Attraction > Comfort > Seduction} > Relationship

Direct is hardly gaming? I have to disagree. Game doesn't have to be SO complicated to the point it confuses you. Yes, she'll decide on the spot. Girls will usually decide when first laying eyes on u...if there's ANY remote possibility they would like to have sex with you ever...anything else is them holding back that interest or expressing out that interest.


Sometimes girls can change their minds. Hence, why some who reject u at first...will repeatedly look at u afterward if they're in the same venue. Looks and boldness is an element of attraction. Having an interaction attempting to seduce her is "game". Game doesn't have to enlist doing Routine A, then Routine B...oh i have to neg the girl, oh don't forget C & F..i forgot to do that...but wait...i haven't demonstrated enough high value yet...do i need to do that? See what i mean? Even with indirect, you still need to look presentable. Wear clothing that looks good on u and can stand out. Thats part of looks, not just facial structure and having six pack abs. And who said, u had to only go for the phone number? ;-)
I've looked at Jayer's journal and i don't see that as ABSOLUTE proof that direct doesn't work. In terms of comfort, its still ur job to have her feel comfortable during the interaction. If she doesn't at first, don't assume that she's not interested...if she hasn't walked away or trying to leave...she most likely is...just got to relax her.

From my experience, direct has worked for me better than indirect. I've done indirect, i just don't like the fact i have to hold back my interest till she shows. I want her to know i like her, no bullsh!t. Right to the point. If i sense her resistence, great...but if she rejects or ignores...move on... direct is not to be underestimated when done right ;-)

 

[daygameguy]

Direct is hardly gaming, it's establishing your desires making the woman take a decision right on the spot whether she should or she should not qualify you for the position of been a suitable mate.

She also needs to base this decision on what? All she got as criteria is your looks, and maybe your boldness. Even if she does give you her phone number out of attraction, she won't feel comfortable enough with you, and will probably flake, just look at Jayer journal.

{Attraction > Comfort > Seduction} > Relationship

I agree with Stephane. But I think direct method is also pretty attractive. But it would take more time/experience to master direct game. You need to be a 100% confident. 100% alpha body language. Powerful voice & tonality. You need to master inner game for that.

David De Angelo was also giving some examples of his buddies using direct stuff and getting instant attraction.

But if you can master indirect game then you are likely to have a much better success rate. Especially with group sets.

So stop fighting over direct/indirect. Just do what you feel like.

 

[Stéphane]

No point in arguing with you keep doing direct gaming with a 15% sucess rate, while I do indirect with a 90% sucess rate.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

There is a point with this debate. We both have different opinions and its good to have a debate about these things. Just because i don't like indirect doesn't mean ur style is superior. I think its fun to have arguments like these, really look into the other person's perspective and become more open minded.

Different methods of game will naturally have constrasts. There are advantages and disadvantages to each. There are more people successful with indirect than direct, becuase indirect is more popular and newbies are more drawn to it(doesn't seem as difficult in most of their eyes-don't have to face rejection that much). Direct isn't known as much, and is harder in a good majority of eyes, as u really have to have ur inner game down for it to truly be effective. Which eventually gives out a bigger reward, imo....u going through ur inner game which then ur outer game will then also increase.

About the 15%...that 15% is just a start and that is before getting a grasp of it. When ur good, its that much higher and at mastery...a good rivaling number to what u speak of. 90% seems pretty farfetched to me. Are we talking of lays or just number closes? I believe ur saying the former.

Are you saying its always been at 90% or that it eventually got to there...because even the best never got 90% immediately nor naturals. I can believe u are NOW at 90% but not that u ALWAYS were at 90%.

 

[ChrizZ]

There is a point with this debate. We both have different opinions and its good to have a debate about these things. Just because i don't like indirect doesn't mean ur style is superior. I think its fun to have arguments like these, really look into the other person's perspective and become more open minded.

Different methods of game will naturally have constrasts. There are advantages and disadvantages to each. There are more people successful with indirect than direct, becuase indirect is more popular and newbies are more drawn to it(doesn't seem as difficult in most of their eyes-don't have to face rejection that much). Direct isn't known as much, and is harder in a good majority of eyes, as u really have to have ur inner game down for it to truly be effective. Which eventually gives out a bigger reward, imo....u going through ur inner game which then ur outer game will then also increase.

About the 15%...that 15% is just a start and that is before getting a grasp of it. When ur good, its that much higher and at mastery...a good rivaling number to what u speak of. 90% seems pretty farfetched to me. Are we talking of lays or just number closes? I believe ur saying the former.

Are you saying its always been at 90% or that it eventually got to there...because even the best never got 90% immediately nor naturals. I can believe u are NOW at 90% but not that u ALWAYS were at 90%.

There is only one close and that is the fvck close.

Any idiot can get numbers.

So you are telling me that some nerdy, pale, skinny guy will get a hottie if he goes up to her and tells her how gorgeous she is?

It just doesn't work that way. I've tried every pua technique there is and let me tell you something. It's all BULLSH!T.

Do you know why?

IT'S BECAUSE WOMEN DO THE CHOOSING ! ! !

Damn, I hope you fellas get this some day.

Women decide within the first 3 seconds if they want to fvck you or not. That's when they give you little hints aka EC.

After that it is your job NOT TO MESS IT UP!

If only one of you stubborn folks gets it on here then I'm a miracle worker.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

There is only one close and that is the fvck close.

Any idiot can get numbers.

So you are telling me that some nerdy, pale, skinny guy will get a hottie if he goes up to her and tells her how gorgeous she is?

It just doesn't work that way. I've tried every pua technique there is and let me tell you something. It's all BULLSH!T.

Do you know why?

IT'S BECAUSE WOMEN DO THE CHOOSING ! ! !

Damn, I hope you fellas get this some day.

Women decide within the first 3 seconds if they want to fvck you or not. That's when they give you little hints aka EC.

After that it is your job NOT TO MESS IT UP!

If only one of you stubborn folks gets it on here then I'm a miracle worker.

Exactly, i find numbers aren't good unless its a last resort. Also...Yes, women ultimately do the choosing in the end. I agree with this 100%...no matter what style of game you do...they still choose in the end. But also remember, u have the power afterward their choice.

About the weak guy comment.....A nerdy, skinny pale guy can still get that girl but its RARE. He just has got to improve his inner game and look. You don't have to look nerdy even if skinny. You can still look like a player. Look at style, mystery, juggler, badboy. They are all skinny but have gotten laid quite a bit. Physique doesn't matter THAT Much. It can help tho.

Ur mentioning hints with eye contact...which i agree....but u haven't mentioned of a girl who HASN'T seen you. Can you physically see everything around you? no. How do you expect them to? They can only see so much.
But i'm mainly talking in situations where a girl is either: A) Moving or B) Shopping. In the clubs, i can see where ur coming from somewhat.

Not all girls courageously will keep eye contact with you. Why else would some when u match it with them.....look away quickly? She obviously doesn't want to be "caught" checking you out. Now if she looks away with disguist i agree...i wouldn't go up to her. But if its neutral and shows no signs of immediate disinterest, why reject urself?

Its like this, when u were younger...u looked at someone for a while...and when they caught u...u immediately looked away. Why? Becuase u felt embarrased that u might've been perceived as staring. Its the same with them. Don't base eye contact on everything. Wait till u go up to her to see the truth.

Lastly about all methods are bull****. I have to disagree. Some of things they say are pointless and unneeded but it really can work if u take the time, effort, and dedication. Maybe its not ur thing, doesn't mean it can't work for someone else.

If you want to just go for the girls that are strongly feeling you and you doubt u'll get rejected, by no means go that....but if u want to also go for the girls u desire seeing and know that rejection may be possible...why not take a shot? Do what u want to, don't be a ***** while at it, keep staying consistent and there you go.