"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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So my freind's girlfriend's freind said I was hot one night while i was at TGI Fridays. We never talked that night but she told my freind she wanted to hang out with me. So we never did but I finally got her number through her freind and took her out for sushi. This is one of the hottest chicks I've dated, if not the hottest (hb 8.5). So sushi is awkward because I'm all nervous, so conversation is not all that great. But somehow when dinner finishes, she invites me to watch a movie at her house. So I cruise up there, we start to get more and more comfortable with each other, start touching more, massaging, progressing well. So I go for the kiss and she wont open her mouth, it's like i was kissing her cheek. I say "is that how you kiss?" her: ya (jokingly). So a little later I leave, and she closes her eyes so i kiss her for a little, but her mouth is still shut. I say "you need to work on your kissing." her: no response.

Then last night, I watch a movie at her pad, and she makes a comment like "why did you brush your teeth? so you can open mouth kiss me?" me: I play it off like i was doing it for myself. For some reason I didn't go for a kiss during the date. But afterward kissed her for a little, and same deal, she doesn't open her mouth that much. I say "you're getting a little better." her: smiles

So my question is how do I get her to makeout with me fully? I think we are comfortable with each other because we are always touching each other/cuddling. My freind says she is kinda a slut, so I feel like I should be progressing faster. She's been texting me wanting to hang, so she's definitely down. I want to date this chick, not just **** her.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Mantis Toboggan

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LaDanian Tomlinson said:
So my question is how do I get her to makeout with me fully? I think we are comfortable with each other because we are always touching each other/cuddling. My freind says she is kinda a slut, so I feel like I should be progressing faster. She's been texting me wanting to hang, so she's definitely down. I want to date this chick, not just **** her.
This has to be one of the weirdest things I've ever read. My first piece of advice would be to stop dating 13 year olds.

Just kidding, but seriously...what kind of adult woman can't open her mouth to kiss a guy? And you're talking about "dating her, not f**king her". I can totally see why you hold her to such high standards...She sounds like a F'king wacko.

It's one thing to escalate from make-out to sex. It's a completely different thing to escalate from kissing to "open-mouth kissing"....
 
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I'm 22, she's 21. The only thing I could think of is that I called her out on it, so maybe she's trying to tease me and make me earn it. I have no idea...
 
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