Never make it too straight forward for her

[plumber]

I saw recently some videos about how guys that had a bellow average face, with the proper clothes, haircut and colors become better looking

As a guy, if you really want to looks max, for sure hiring someone to help you out with clothes, haircut and clothes color will have a good ROI

women do it all the time, if they also add makeup then they can become from a 4 an 8 easily

clothes are a big deal. guys often spend on cars or other high cost to gain points.

cars fit into money category. clothing fits into attraction category.

maybe clothing should be #4, as bad clothing can get an otherwise ok guy eliminated.

 

[Bigpapa]

clothes are a big deal. guys often spend on cars or other high cost to gain points.

cars fit into money category. clothing fits into attraction category.

maybe clothing should be #4, as bad clothing can get an otherwise ok guy eliminated.

Depends on the angle, but for sure looks > money

so unless money is really not a problem, better to put the money into the looks category as most of the things that will have a big impact are not that expensive

then if you really have extra money, better to put into plastic surgery than into money/ status category

I think that money/status should be something that should be touched towards the end, unless you have a thing for gold diggers / h00kers

as an idea, if the new bmw is 60k, with 60k put into your style / plastic surgery you can do a lot of things surgical or not that will have a way better ROI than the new bmw

I think that with 100k put into plastic surgery you should become above average in terms of looks and in theory average and sometimes above average girls should not be Problematic ( unless you are a moron )

you can go to cheap countries where the quality is good like Brazil / Venezuela / Cuba / Thailand to get the most for your bucks

Also, from my point of view if you live in a big city in a developed country, you do not really need a car to get by. It is really stressful to own a car in a big city , and in developed countries public transport is at least decent if not really good

 

[jhonny9546]

It's idiotic guys and threads like this that spread misinformation and send guys down the wrong path.

Do you consider this approach direct or indirect?

A guy meets a girl, and they stay in touch, but they don't date. She's with another guy who happens to be this guy's teammate. They break up, and now the guy comes into the picture, talking to her and claiming that the other guy didn't really think she was cute. Now, he’s her confidant.

The two text each other frequently, and he asks her if she has any female friends available because he's single and looking for a GF. She suggests a few friends, but he declines, saying, "No to that one; I've already been there," and "No to that other one; she's not that great." After some back-and-forth, she asks him, "But what about Jennifer? Is Jennifer free?" This girl's name is Jennifer, and she says yes to going out. They are still togheter after 5 years.

So, this guy wanted her from the beginning, but he made it seem as if she had chosen him in her mind.

What do you think of this approach?

 

[jhonny9546]

When you have a decent face but a dad bod, you will get replaced by a man with the same decent face but a better body. Same for money ,status ect. Its just the game.

It's not a global phenomenon, but this has happened to me since I'm single. After I've worked on improving my appearance, I've noticed that married women with taller partners than me (I should remind you that I'm quite short at 165 cm) have shown interest in me. Their partners are typically around 180 cm to 185 cm tall, which seems to be a choice influenced by their fathers' heights.

However, as soon as these women spend just 10 minutes alone with me doing something together, I can definitely feel their attraction growing stronger. That said, I don't date married women or those with children; I believe it's a lose-lose situation.

This brings me to the point that height is very relevant for women who had tall fathers and may need that height to feel safe. However, preferences are subjective. You might find a woman who is considered a "10" attracted to shorter men because her father is short, while another woman who rates a "6" might prefer taller men because her father is tall.

Ultimately, you need to figure out which of these women is willing to commit the most. Just because someone is better looking doesn't mean she doesn't care about you; it all comes down to her personal preferences.

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

Do you consider this approach direct or indirect?

Indirect. It's BADLY indirect.

A guy meets a girl, and they stay in touch, but they don't date.

That's mistake number 1 here. A true direct guy and alpha male doesn't stay in touch with girls he isn't dating or fvcking, i.e he doesn't keep them around as platonic friends or acquaintances, social media buddies, text message buddies, hang out buddies etc who he secretly wants to date or fvck.

She's with another guy who happens to be this guy's teammate.

In that case, it's best not to hit on the girl, out of respect for the other guy but also to avoid potential negative consequences, since he knows the other guy.

However, if a guy doesn't know a girl's boyfriend, it would be a different story.

They break up, and now the guy comes into the picture, talking to her and claiming that the other guy didn't really think she was cute.

Waste of time. A guy shouldn't need to make up stuff that a girl's ex boyfriend supposedly said, did or thought in order to somehow boost his chances of getting that girl. That's just silly nonsense.

Now, he’s her confidant.

No no no! A true direct guy/alpha male doesn't become a girl's confidant. That's what beta males are for. If you become a girl's confidant, it will just make her view you as a nice, friendly beta male rather than a guy she would date or fvck.

As the late great Alan Roger Currie said, you want to become a girl's dependable orgasm buddy NOT her dependable listening ear.

The two text each other frequently,

Yet another mistake. A true direct guy doesn't engage in constant texting back and forth or have long winded conversations with women via text message.

Nope. A true direct guy uses text message rarely and sparsely, keeping his texts brief and to the point to either 1) Set up or confirm an in person meet, or 2) Set up or confirm a phone call.

That's it. No endless/constant texting back and forth. Same applies with DMs or PMs on social media or messaging apps. In fact, a direct guy does not add women on social media who he's trying to date or fvck.

A true direct guy does the vast majority of his communication with women in person or over the phone.

The more a guy texts a woman back and forth, the less attractive he becomes in her eyes and the less likely it is that he'll end up meeting up with her in person or dating or hooking up with her.

Constant texting back and forth also kills a lot of the mystery and mystique about a guy, lowering the woman's level interest and attraction towards him.

Endless texting back and forth is simply giving a woman free time and attention. You're giving her someone to talk to when she's bored, but who she will probably never end up meeting up with in real life, and for certain you will just be seen as nothing more than a typical nice, beta male in her eyes.

That's why I always say, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS TEXT MESSAGE GAME. Despite what slick marketeer 'dating coaches' will tell you, TEXT MESSAGE GAME DOES NOT EXIST.

and he asks her if she has any female friends available because he's single and looking for a GF.

Again, that's indirect, beating around the bush nonsense. A direct guy wouldn't pretend he's looking to for a girl's single friends as a tactic/ploy to try and get with that girl. Nope. He would simply, directly make his interest and intentions known to that girl.

She suggests a few friends, but he declines, saying, "No to that one; I've already been there," and "No to that other one; she's not that great." After some back-and-forth, she asks him, "But what about Jennifer? Is Jennifer free?" This girl's name is Jennifer, and she says yes to going out. They are still togheter after 5 years.

See my previous point. This is indirect silliness.

So, this guy wanted her from the beginning,

In that case, he should've made his interest known right from the beginning, or in the case of her already dating one of his teammates, he should've left her alone until she was no longer dating his teammate, then he should've hit on her directly.

In the meantime, he should've been approaching, dating and hooking up with other girls rather than developing 'oneitis' over this girl.

but he made it seem as if she had chosen him in her mind.

Again, that's indirect, manipulative silliness. A direct guy doesn't need to employ stupid tactics on a girl to 'make it seem like she had chosen him in her mind'.

What do you think of this approach?

Absolutely terrible, just HORRIBLE and extremely cringey. It's classic beta male, indirect, AFC type stuff where a guy develops a big case of 'onetis' on a girl and also is clueless about how to approach, talk to or interact with women.

If the person you're referring to in your post is actually YOU, then I'm sorry to say but you haven't got a clue about how to get women.

I strongly recommend you stop this nonsense and switch over to the direct approach. I highly recommend you look up Alan Roger Currie and David X and read, watch and listen to all their material until it sinks in and start applying it immediately. In particular, check out Alan Roger Currie's 'Mode One' and 'No Free Attention' books/audiobooks.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I saw a funny mode one opener on reddit (attributed to some dudes Chad looking friend )

his opener for OLD is
“The only way your ass could look any better, is if it was sitting on my face “

I thought that was a ripper and I’m stealing if!!!

lads . You guys debate a lot of theory.
I need material here fellas! good lines to use .!!

fvck sprooking the books and the general strategy of mindsets blah blah blah. Start posting examples of successly interactions pls. Screenshots and receipts to back it up!! You guys can debate sh1t till the cows come home seriously.

 

[Cheeky_James]

And @Bingo-Player
So if she’s telling me she wants to fvck me ..
Should I still create an obstacle or what?

 

[Cheeky_James]

Those three are great things to have.
But.
In my experience: Face>Everything Else.

truth bro.

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

I saw a funny mode one opener on reddit (attributed to some dudes Chad looking friend )

his opener for OLD is
“The only way your ass could look any better, is if it was sitting on my face “

I thought that was a ripper and I’m stealing if!!!

First point - that line is NOT Mode One. It's just a crude sexual comment. There is a big difference between Mode One and a crude sexual comment. If you don't know the difference, please read Alan Roger Currie's books etc.

Second point - Mode One is about VERBAL communication. Currie always said that anything in written form is NOT Mode One. It may be indicative of direct communication, but it is not the Mode One form of direct.

True Mode One guys approach women IN PERSON, via cold approaches, NOT via online dating. Dating apps are for guys who don't have the balls to approach women in person if we want to keep things 100% real.

lads . You guys debate a lot of theory.
I need material here fellas! good lines to use .!!

This is my next point - Mode One isn't about memorising and spouting out canned lines you read on the internet. It's about being 100% honest, real and authentic with women. You have to let the exact words come out naturally for YOU; spouting out a bunch of lines you read online isn't authentic and will come across to women as kind of fake and incongruent.

fvck sprooking the books and the general strategy of mindsets blah blah blah.

You have it all backwards my friend. You see, EVERYTHING stems from the correct mindset. You do not need to memorise any specific words or lines....you simply need to understand the fundamental mindset(s) of Mode One/direct approach and the correct words and actions will flow naturally from there.

That is why any guy who wants to get into the direct approach first needs to read check out Alan Roger Currie's and David X's materials, in order to learn those mindsets.

Trying to memorise a bunch of lines or openers without understanding the mindsets and principles underlining them doesn't work.

Start posting examples of successly interactions pls. Screenshots and receipts to back it up!!

Field reports or in field videos don't prove anything, as they can easily be faked or exaggerated.

I also think it's very risky to publicly post specific details of approaches and hookups, especially videos, photos or screenshots. The internet is a much smaller place these days, everything is much more exposed and more easily searchable, and it only takes one slip up to get exposed and in trouble, even legally. For example a girl you approached or hooked up with finding you've posted details about it online.

There have been several dating coaches who have done this and ended getting in legal trouble and having their reputations ruined. I would personally be very careful about posting specifics of approaches or hooks ups online as the internet isn't as anonymous as you think it is.

 

[Cheeky_James]

@Guitar_Whizz
Dude, gimme a break, I’ve read his books and watched some of his videos recently. I know David Xs stuff too.
@We_ArE_VeNOM regularly sprooks it also.
And later upon my probing admitted to me he doesn’t actually do ModeOne hardcore in cold approach.he does it afterwards either on the phone or by text message.

I could do it on an app and put it in a voice memo. That’s verbal.

Any expression of “I want to Fvck you” either saying it or writing it is technically the same - a guy making no bones about what he wants.

I can also do that using indirect language as sexual innuendo - the chick isn’t stupid she knows what I’m laying down . I don’t always need to go “hardcore”.

tbh I’m wondering if the hard sprookers of this method are all black guys and if it’s a cultural thing as ARC is a black dude? Serious question.

maybe in Gary, Indiana a black guy can get a bl0wjob in a supermarket. I don’t think it’s gonna work everywhere tbh.

And also, another thing to consider is this /I watched a video of ARC doing a seminar where he gave an example and then said the chick “cussed me out hard. for like 20 minutes”, before she finally calmed down and played ball w him, letting him lead.
So there’s that to deal with IRL also with this approach.

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

And later upon my probing admitted to me he doesn’t actually do ModeOne hardcore in cold approach.he does it afterwards either on the phone or by text message.

If he only makes his specific romantic or sexual intentions known after the initial approach, and not during the initial approach, by phone or text, technically that is not Mode One, but more so Mode Two because he DELAYED telling the woman his intentions.

In order to be truly Mode One, you need to make your specific romantic or sexual intentions known during the initial approach, no later than the 5 minute mark, and definitely no later than the 10 to 15 minute mark, though I think that's leaving it a bit too long.

If you DELAY telling a woman your intentions until after the 5 to 15 mins mark of your first conversation with a woman, or wait until after the approach and reveal them in your second conversation (by text or phone, or even in person), that is not Mode One but rather Mode Two.

I could do it on an app and put it in a voice memo. That’s verbal.

See above. That would be Mode Two.

Any expression of “I want to Fvck you” either saying it or writing it is technically the same - a guy making no bones about what he wants.

In my experience, Mode One is far more effective in person than via text message or DM and being Mode One in person makes a much bigger impression and impact on a woman than it does in written form.

This is because it takes REAL confidence and balls to do it face to face, in person.....but it doesn't take balls to do it in written form.

Anyone can read Currie's books etc....but only a few will truly master this type of approach and become fully fledged Mode One guys in the real world.

Some guys might be kind of direct....i.e approaching directly in person, but not revealing their intentions until later on, by text etc. But a guy doesn't become a true master of Mode One/direct approach until he can consistently do all that in person, face to face during the initial approach.

I can also do that using indirect language as sexual innuendo - the chick isn’t stupid she knows what I’m laying down . I don’t always need to go “hardcore”.

Sexual innuendo isn't direct, it's indirect. It's subtley/playfully hinting at your interest without actually saying it directly, so it's indirect and thus not as effective as just coming out and saying what you want directly.

You can still be direct without being Mode One Hardcore btw - Currie had 3 levels of Mode 1: Standard Mode 1, Mode 1 Hardcore and Mode 1.5. If you don't like Mode 1 Hardcore, you can use Standard Mode 1 or Mode 1.5 instead. You don't need to resort to 'sexual innuendo' - that would be more so Mode 2 or Mode 3 even because it's vague and ambiguous.

Mode One/direct is NOT solely about walking up to women and blurting out "I want to **** you". That is one of the biggest myths about Mode One from guys who don't fully understand it. There's much more finesse to it than that.

tbh I’m wondering if the hard sprookers of this method are all black guys and if it’s a cultural thing as ARC is a black dude. Serious question.

I'm not black, I'm White Caucasian.

maybe in Gary, Indiana a black guy can get a bl0wjob in a supermarket. I don’t think it’s gonna work everywhere.

I'm from the UK and I've successfully used it all over the UK since around 2007. It works in any Western country or culture imo. Truth is truth, direct is direct and women are women. I can't speak for Asia or the Middle East etc, though.

It may well be that Mode One/direct doesn't work FOR YOU, or that it's not for you and that you're better suited to indirect. Even Currie said that direct approach isn't for everyone.

But it's not true that Mode One only works for black guys and only works in the USA.

And also I watched ARC doing a seminar where he said some chick “cussed me out hard. for like 20 minutes”, before she calmed down and played ball w him. So there’s that to deal with IRL also with this approach.

You only have to deal with a woman 'cussing you out' if she's a wholesome pretender, erotic hypocrite or manipulative timewaster. Rejectors tend to reject you very quickly, within the first minutes of your initial approach, and reciprocators (though rare, a very small percentage of women you approach) will hook up with you quickly too

Even with women who 'cuss you out', spending 5 to 20 mins breaking them down/dealing with their **** tests is still MUCH more time efficient than being Mode 2 or Mode 3, beating around the bush, taking women out on dates, spending time getting to know them etc, and there's still a high chance that when you're Mode 2 or Mode 3 you end up with nothing and just waste your time (and money) on an interaction that goes nowhere.

So in the end you might as well just be direct.

 

[Sega Genesis]

If he only makes his specific romantic or sexual intentions known after the initial approach, and not during the initial approach, by phone or text, technically that is not Mode One, but more so Mode Two because he DELAYED telling the woman his intentions.

In order to be truly Mode One, you need to make your specific romantic or sexual intentions known during the initial approach, no later than the 5 minute mark, and definitely no later than the 10 to 15 minute mark, though I think that's leaving it a bit too long.

If you DELAY telling a woman your intentions until after the 5 to 15 mins mark of your first conversation with a woman, or wait until after the approach and reveal them in your second conversation (by text or phone, or even in person), that is not Mode One but rather Mode Two.

Hey @Guitar_Whizz I've read all your posts on this thread and find them quite interesting and in many ways make a lot of sense. I'm female btw.

With respect to above, this differs a bit from what other Mode One proponents on this site have preached specifically re in-person versus text/phone.

When I was on the apps I had many men open with "Hey you're hot, DTF"? Or "whatya doing later, wannna hook up"? And the like.
Did nothIng for me and went straight to trash.

OTOH, had he asked to meet in person, we developed a bit of a rapport, were vibing well, and there was a mutual attraction, notwithstanding the issue of social conditioning many women face these days, I may have been more open to it. Naturally, organically.

Anyway just out of curiosity what do you say to a woman to let her know you want to bang her?

How do you frame it? Do you ask her if she wants to hookup, or tell her you want to hook up or something else?

Most women including myself don't relish being treated like a temporary disposable option good for a quick lay but not much else.
And if it's framed that way, we may reject no matter how attracted we are.

So just wondering how you navigate that.

I do acknowledge some women might go for it though.

 

[BaronOfHair]

lads . You guys debate a lot of theory.
I need material here fellas! good lines to use .!!

"Yo. I'm grabbing coffee later today at(choose time and place). Join me"
Generally works well

@Bingo-Player "We just want to get on with it which is why a lot of Pickup gurus preach about "direct approaches " just open her and get straight to the point

And depending on the woman this can work in the short term especially if you fit her physical criteria and depending on how much she wants a man at that point"

Where you, the fella, are at in life is pivotal also. As mentioned elsewhere https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/what-would-you-guys-do.286516/page-3#post-3197473 Bashfulness among really young men can be endearing. Not so much later in life

 

[Bigpapa]

"Yo. I'm grabbing coffee later today at(choose time and place). Join me"
Generally works well

@Bingo-Player "We just want to get on with it which is why a lot of Pickup gurus preach about "direct approaches " just open her and get straight to the point

And depending on the woman this can work in the short term especially if you fit her physical criteria and depending on how much she wants a man at that point"

Where you, the fella, are at in life is pivotal also. As mentioned elsewhere https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/what-would-you-guys-do.286516/page-3#post-3197473 Bashfulness among really young men can be endearing. Not so much later in life

From my experience, going direct or indirect has more to do with calibration rather than any of the method being superior

in some places you can be direct, while in other places it will make you uncalibrated

I think direct has a bit of a bad reputation thanks to the guys whom go and spam approach. Same with the pua movement