Never make it too straight forward for her

[plumber]

I saw recently some videos about how guys that had a bellow average face, with the proper clothes, haircut and colors become better looking

As a guy, if you really want to looks max, for sure hiring someone to help you out with clothes, haircut and clothes color will have a good ROI

women do it all the time, if they also add makeup then they can become from a 4 an 8 easily

clothes are a big deal. guys often spend on cars or other high cost to gain points.

cars fit into money category. clothing fits into attraction category.

maybe clothing should be #4, as bad clothing can get an otherwise ok guy eliminated.

 

[Bigpapa]

clothes are a big deal. guys often spend on cars or other high cost to gain points.

cars fit into money category. clothing fits into attraction category.

maybe clothing should be #4, as bad clothing can get an otherwise ok guy eliminated.

Depends on the angle, but for sure looks > money

so unless money is really not a problem, better to put the money into the looks category as most of the things that will have a big impact are not that expensive

then if you really have extra money, better to put into plastic surgery than into money/ status category

I think that money/status should be something that should be touched towards the end, unless you have a thing for gold diggers / h00kers

as an idea, if the new bmw is 60k, with 60k put into your style / plastic surgery you can do a lot of things surgical or not that will have a way better ROI than the new bmw

I think that with 100k put into plastic surgery you should become above average in terms of looks and in theory average and sometimes above average girls should not be Problematic ( unless you are a moron )

you can go to cheap countries where the quality is good like Brazil / Venezuela / Cuba / Thailand to get the most for your bucks

Also, from my point of view if you live in a big city in a developed country, you do not really need a car to get by. It is really stressful to own a car in a big city , and in developed countries public transport is at least decent if not really good

 

[jhonny9546]

It's idiotic guys and threads like this that spread misinformation and send guys down the wrong path.

Do you consider this approach direct or indirect?

A guy meets a girl, and they stay in touch, but they don't date. She's with another guy who happens to be this guy's teammate. They break up, and now the guy comes into the picture, talking to her and claiming that the other guy didn't really think she was cute. Now, he’s her confidant.

The two text each other frequently, and he asks her if she has any female friends available because he's single and looking for a GF. She suggests a few friends, but he declines, saying, "No to that one; I've already been there," and "No to that other one; she's not that great." After some back-and-forth, she asks him, "But what about Jennifer? Is Jennifer free?" This girl's name is Jennifer, and she says yes to going out. They are still togheter after 5 years.

So, this guy wanted her from the beginning, but he made it seem as if she had chosen him in her mind.

What do you think of this approach?

 

[jhonny9546]

When you have a decent face but a dad bod, you will get replaced by a man with the same decent face but a better body. Same for money ,status ect. Its just the game.

It's not a global phenomenon, but this has happened to me since I'm single. After I've worked on improving my appearance, I've noticed that married women with taller partners than me (I should remind you that I'm quite short at 165 cm) have shown interest in me. Their partners are typically around 180 cm to 185 cm tall, which seems to be a choice influenced by their fathers' heights.

However, as soon as these women spend just 10 minutes alone with me doing something together, I can definitely feel their attraction growing stronger. That said, I don't date married women or those with children; I believe it's a lose-lose situation.

This brings me to the point that height is very relevant for women who had tall fathers and may need that height to feel safe. However, preferences are subjective. You might find a woman who is considered a "10" attracted to shorter men because her father is short, while another woman who rates a "6" might prefer taller men because her father is tall.

Ultimately, you need to figure out which of these women is willing to commit the most. Just because someone is better looking doesn't mean she doesn't care about you; it all comes down to her personal preferences.

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

Do you consider this approach direct or indirect?

Indirect. It's BADLY indirect.

A guy meets a girl, and they stay in touch, but they don't date.

That's mistake number 1 here. A true direct guy and alpha male doesn't stay in touch with girls he isn't dating or fvcking, i.e he doesn't keep them around as platonic friends or acquaintances, social media buddies, text message buddies, hang out buddies etc who he secretly wants to date or fvck.

She's with another guy who happens to be this guy's teammate.

In that case, it's best not to hit on the girl, out of respect for the other guy but also to avoid potential negative consequences, since he knows the other guy.

However, if a guy doesn't know a girl's boyfriend, it would be a different story.

They break up, and now the guy comes into the picture, talking to her and claiming that the other guy didn't really think she was cute.

Waste of time. A guy shouldn't need to make up stuff that a girl's ex boyfriend supposedly said, did or thought in order to somehow boost his chances of getting that girl. That's just silly nonsense.

Now, he’s her confidant.

No no no! A true direct guy/alpha male doesn't become a girl's confidant. That's what beta males are for. If you become a girl's confidant, it will just make her view you as a nice, friendly beta male rather than a guy she would date or fvck.

As the late great Alan Roger Currie said, you want to become a girl's dependable orgasm buddy NOT her dependable listening ear.

The two text each other frequently,

Yet another mistake. A true direct guy doesn't engage in constant texting back and forth or have long winded conversations with women via text message.

Nope. A true direct guy uses text message rarely and sparsely, keeping his texts brief and to the point to either 1) Set up or confirm an in person meet, or 2) Set up or confirm a phone call.

That's it. No endless/constant texting back and forth. Same applies with DMs or PMs on social media or messaging apps. In fact, a direct guy does not add women on social media who he's trying to date or fvck.

A true direct guy does the vast majority of his communication with women in person or over the phone.

The more a guy texts a woman back and forth, the less attractive he becomes in her eyes and the less likely it is that he'll end up meeting up with her in person or dating or hooking up with her.

Constant texting back and forth also kills a lot of the mystery and mystique about a guy, lowering the woman's level interest and attraction towards him.

Endless texting back and forth is simply giving a woman free time and attention. You're giving her someone to talk to when she's bored, but who she will probably never end up meeting up with in real life, and for certain you will just be seen as nothing more than a typical nice, beta male in her eyes.

That's why I always say, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS TEXT MESSAGE GAME. Despite what slick marketeer 'dating coaches' will tell you, TEXT MESSAGE GAME DOES NOT EXIST.

and he asks her if she has any female friends available because he's single and looking for a GF.

Again, that's indirect, beating around the bush nonsense. A direct guy wouldn't pretend he's looking to for a girl's single friends as a tactic/ploy to try and get with that girl. Nope. He would simply, directly make his interest and intentions known to that girl.

She suggests a few friends, but he declines, saying, "No to that one; I've already been there," and "No to that other one; she's not that great." After some back-and-forth, she asks him, "But what about Jennifer? Is Jennifer free?" This girl's name is Jennifer, and she says yes to going out. They are still togheter after 5 years.

See my previous point. This is indirect silliness.

So, this guy wanted her from the beginning,

In that case, he should've made his interest known right from the beginning, or in the case of her already dating one of his teammates, he should've left her alone until she was no longer dating his teammate, then he should've hit on her directly.

In the meantime, he should've been approaching, dating and hooking up with other girls rather than developing 'oneitis' over this girl.

but he made it seem as if she had chosen him in her mind.

Again, that's indirect, manipulative silliness. A direct guy doesn't need to employ stupid tactics on a girl to 'make it seem like she had chosen him in her mind'.

What do you think of this approach?

Absolutely terrible, just HORRIBLE and extremely cringey. It's classic beta male, indirect, AFC type stuff where a guy develops a big case of 'onetis' on a girl and also is clueless about how to approach, talk to or interact with women.

If the person you're referring to in your post is actually YOU, then I'm sorry to say but you haven't got a clue about how to get women.

I strongly recommend you stop this nonsense and switch over to the direct approach. I highly recommend you look up Alan Roger Currie and David X and read, watch and listen to all their material until it sinks in and start applying it immediately. In particular, check out Alan Roger Currie's 'Mode One' and 'No Free Attention' books/audiobooks.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I saw a funny mode one opener on reddit (attributed to some dudes Chad looking friend )

his opener for OLD is
“The only way your ass could look any better, is if it was sitting on my face “

I thought that was a ripper and I’m stealing if!!!

lads . You guys debate a lot of theory.
I need material here fellas! good lines to use .!!

fvck sprooking the books and the general strategy of mindsets blah blah blah. Start posting examples of successly interactions pls. Screenshots and receipts to back it up!! You guys can debate sh1t till the cows come home seriously.

 

[Cheeky_James]

And @Bingo-Player
So if she’s telling me she wants to fvck me ..
Should I still create an obstacle or what?

 

[Cheeky_James]

Those three are great things to have.
But.
In my experience: Face>Everything Else.

truth bro.