"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Never call after a day 2 : a discussion

mackdaddy27

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First of all,this is ultimatley an alpha approach even though it doesn't sound like it .
You just spend like 4 or 5 hours with the chick. In your mind , she auditioned for your time but you leave the choice to continue or not in her hands part . If she liked spending time with you then she will call you first . If you call before that you lose that to evaluate how she is truely feeling towards you. Why is that important you might ask ? Because as an alpha your time is very valuable , you don't want to waist your time if your with a girl who actually wants to be with you. Remember your an alpha , simply next her if she doesn't call and move on to find someone that satisfies your desires and wants . You don't need to have to any gimmacks or push pull games with her , its over , find a better use of your time . Remember its better to be single and looking for a good fitting partner than to lose your drive by being with someone not completly into it or worth a relationship.
What are your thoughts on the significance of not calling back after day 2 ?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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I personally enjoy having how I feel about the woman play a part in the decision making. Instead of waiting to determine how she feels about me I find out immediately while I'm qualifying her. The efficiency is that I determine whether or not I would want to see her again during the first meeting instead of waiting on whether she calls. If we determine during the first meeting that we're both interested, we set up a subsequent meeting right then and there. No wondering, no worries. :up:
 

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some girls expect you to lead because it's an extension of your natural maculinity. so once in a while you get a girl who won't call no matter what. instead she'll gush about you to her friends while waiting for you to call her
 

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When it comes to calling there is 1 rule which should always be followed. If you meet a chick on a weekday for example, never call her on the weekend. You are "busy" on the weekends.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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mackdaddy27 said:
The idea being you don't get any more attached and cause yourself to kill your game with other plates
I can agree with that but why wait? Why not figure it out immediately? Our time is valuable, isn't it?
 

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I like to keep the ball in my court. Don't make it her decision. As someone else also mentioned, some women play it old-fashion so won't make the first move.

If I snag a number on a Friday/Saturday, I'll call Tuesday/Wednesday of the next week.
 

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Effington, this thread is about "after day 2's" meaning you've already gone on a first date with her, not after you snag her number.

Francisco d'Anconia, when you determine if she's interested, do you do so with a question of some kind that you've found ellicits a clear response without coming off too needy? What do you say/do exactly, beyond reading basic IOI's?
 

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mackdaddy27 said:
What are your thoughts on the significance of not calling back after day 2?
Depends on the girl. Most of them will consult the almighty dating books and conclude that it is against the 'rules' to call you, and you must 'just not be that into her'.
 

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BeyondCharm said:
...Francisco d'Anconia, when you determine if she's interested, do you do so with a question of some kind that you've found ellicits a clear response without coming off too needy? What do you say/do exactly, beyond reading basic IOI's?
If you're qualifying her properly it doesn't come off as needy at all, more times than not she's trying to keep up with you (at least if she's interested). Like there's no one pickup line there's no one question that will definitively say that she's interested. Check that; there is. If she says "yes" to getting together again at a later time.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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IPalindromeI said:
Depends on the girl. Most of them will consult the almighty dating books and conclude that it is against the 'rules' to call you, and you must 'just not be that into her'.
Soo true... many women are using their own dating game books etc to make decisions complicating everything..
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
If you're qualifying her properly it doesn't come off as needy at all, more times than not she's trying to keep up with you (at least if she's interested). Like there's no one pickup line there's no one question that will definitively say that she's interested. Check that; there is. If she says "yes" to getting together again at a later time.
I think you pretty much nailed it and thats what I was interested in hearing. Essentially if she agrees to your suggestion of meeting again or vice versa, than you've maintained and possibly increased her interest and remained the prize. Thanks!
 
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Like someone said above, I like to keep the ball in my court. If I'm interested and the interactions and bonding are going well why would I NOT call her? Because I'm afraid that I might come off as needy?

Screw that, there's a huge difference between being genuinely interested and just being a pest and constantly txting/calling. I've noticed that a lot of people are starting to read into this the wrong way and turning them into mindless PU robots. Don't lose your personality, just make yourself that much fvcking cooler and better than you already are.

When you have already adopted the attitude that you're really cool, smooth and just downright confident, the "Alpha" in you will be a lot more natural, congruent and come out 24/7, rather than you "remembering" that you're an alpha in just certain situations.
 

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BeyondCharm said:
I think you pretty much nailed it and thats what I was interested in hearing. Essentially if she agrees to your suggestion of meeting again or vice versa, than you've maintained and possibly increased her interest and remained the prize. Thanks!
Just for to sake of confusion, it should be said that just because a woman agrees to go out with you again, it doesn't mean that she's necessarily interested in you, she could just want something to do. This is why I'm not a proponent of action dates, movies, dinner or whatever early on.

Unless you're a troll, a woman will probably accept your invitation because the event would be fun and interesting, whether you were there or not. This is why I keep it simple as coffee and conversation in the beginning. It makes it easy to determine if there is a mutual interest or not; no confusion from the venue.

After that first bit of qualifying I would then look at a different type of venue. Nothing major, just hanging out; it may not easily be identified as a "date" either. It could be something as simple as a bike ride and playing it by ear about where we shower afterwards.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Just for to sake of confusion, it should be said that just because a woman agrees to go out with you again, it doesn't mean that she's necessarily interested in you, she could just want something to do. This is why I'm not a proponent of action dates, movies, dinner or whatever early on.

Unless you're a troll, a woman will probably accept your invitation because the event would be fun and interesting, whether you were there or not. This is why I keep it simple as coffee and conversation in the beginning. It makes it easy to determine if there is a mutual interest or not; no confusion from the venue.

After that first bit of qualifying I would then look at a different type of venue. Nothing major, just hanging out; it may not easily be identified as a "date" either. It could be something as simple as a bike ride and playing it by ear about where we shower afterwards.
I agree with you once again. If her words are along the lines of "I would love to go out with you again", that seems like a strong indicator though. Obviously peoples intentions are often concealed and beautiful women are taught to being alluring at times so like you said, you must do a fair bit of playing it by ear.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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