"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Need some some help closing with a young chick.

tinctrar

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Fellas,

Ive got a plate im tryin to spin. Shes young - but interested. Calls, Texts, came to my place for first time today.

Problem is...shes got a man. They are both young (sub 20's) but she likes how im older and mysterious. Man is never around (different state). From what I can tell shes a total nutjob. I really should next her for many reasons and most likely will.

Im tryin to sleep with her (we have done some naughty things online - real naughty) but I cant close - she feels guilty about cheating on the man.

Probably will next her - she definatly isnt LTR material. But I wanted to see if anyone had any advice to sleep with her.

Thanks in advance. Shes not the only plate btw - got two others. Again, just some advice.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Alcohol equals sex
Dinner equals sleep

Ask her for drinks at a public place, get her comfortable, not showing you want sex. Then sex will happen.
 

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tinctrar said:
Fellas,

Ive got a plate im tryin to spin. Shes young - but interested. Calls, Texts, came to my place for first time today.

Problem is...shes got a man. They are both young (sub 20's) but she likes how im older and mysterious. Man is never around (different state). From what I can tell shes a total nutjob. I really should next her for many reasons and most likely will.
So why are you NOT nexting her?

tinctrar said:
Im tryin to sleep with her (we have done some naughty things online - real naughty) but I cant close - she feels guilty about cheating on the man.

Probably will next her - she definatly isnt LTR material. But I wanted to see if anyone had any advice to sleep with her.
Ok, it's all about the sex. Have you ever heard of the phrase: 'You are who you roll with?' or 'You are who you lie with?' Or in this case, 'You are who you sleep with.'

You can't escape that fact. By sleeping with *nutjobs* you are degrading yourself.

This is not something a high-value male would do. It's one thing to chant like a monkey 'I am the Prize to be won' it's another thing to live like it.
 

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Falcon25 said:
Alcohol equals sex
Dinner equals sleep

Ask her for drinks at a public place, get her comfortable, not showing you want sex. Then sex will happen.
Alcohol?? I read, "sub-20s". You don't want a "statch charge". Be careful.

She's been over your house once already...how has the kino been going?

If a girl comes to hang out at my house, I'm assuming she's there for a reason. :whistle:
 

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if she is feeling guilty, try alleviating that guilt.

Convince her that it's not a big deal. It's just a little secret thing between two of you - after all you both have needs. As Jonny Soporno said; be the guy that doesn't count.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Thanks for the input brothers.

@falcon - normally follow that pattern. Havent really taken a woman out to dinner in years unless she is my LTR. She is under 20. No alchohol man...you never know what a chick can say (read Traders post)

@Trader - Good point - its actually what I felt when I was creating this post. Already about to next her anyway cause of the "You are who you sleep with"

@Squirrels - Kino has actually escalated...but talk of the bf also has. When we first met she didnt let me know she had a man - kinda find out. But since then I told her I didnt care about the man...not my problem. Lately she has been bringing up up more often. Probably a sh!t test. I told her yesterday that she came over for a reason...kino escalated even more.

@spider - That will by my last attempt - ill let you know how it goes.

Thanks again brothers.
 
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