"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Need some advice on what I can improve

Magnatolia

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I was waiting at the food service line, and opened a girl beside me. A 2 or 3 minute convo ensued which went really well. She was visiting a friend while she was in the area. I was thinking I would find out where she was sitting and go say hello later, but it was my turn to be served. So I couldn't really do anything, but damn I had a good night!

Question, if you ask a girl how her night is going and she doesn't respond do you assume she is ignoring you or that she probably didn't hear the question? I tend to do the first one, but this happened to me in the same line and she then asked what I had ordered.

So I was at the bar and turned around and automatically asked these 2 girls how their night was going. They both said it was really good and asked the question back (that's my standard opener, I can gain their current interest on whether they ask the question back, and you can usually tell if their smile is sincere).

I mentioned that I'd just done karaoke, and one of them asked what I sung. i told them then asked if they'd been to that place before (its small and not one of the mainstream joints). I made a comment based on that, then a couple of their friends came over and they talked and then left.

I know I should have probably moved so we formed a circle or whatever - they were both facing me.

Was I rejected when they did that? Admittedly my attention was also on the barman as I was waiting to be served. However they both invested energy into the conversation. When they first responded, it was with wide smiles and high energy in their voice.

I was walking away from the bar and this hottie said hey - not sure if it was to her friend or me, but I said hey back. Then she stopped me and asked what I was drinking, and pointed out that they gave me a chicks glass (idiot bartender lol). I just rolled my eyes and said the drink was good or something like that - she just shrugged her shoulders and said it didn't matter what glass I was using. Then I told her to enjoy her night and went over to my friend.

I'm reading some material, and I feel really uncomfortable about asking opinion openers as these seem too 'routine'. Nobody really cares about hte answer, the whole point is to open them and then transition to a normal conversation.

Any thoughts or opinions? I suffer from AA so that was an awesome moment. I did have a lot to drink but alcohol doesn't affect me negatively. I still know what I'm doing/saying etc.

Just looking for some thoughts and advice. Thanks.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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you didn't really say anything. I mean asking how their night is going? You didn't transition the conversation to anything interesting. Of course they're going to leave. You need to be different in a good way. Don't be the same AFC as all the other guys.
 

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Interesting like what? That's where I am stumped, I don't know what to transition to.

I did bring it around to karaoke at one point, one girl in particular asked what I sung.
 
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