"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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KillingTime

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Ive mentioned this here before, i think. There's this girl ive been talking to online for 2 years (weve seen each other in person, but just for a few minutes). I know that seems kind of weird but we never had any intentions of anything, she was just a friend of a friend that I started talking too online... anyway for like the past 6 months things have been intensely flirty, she finally told me she had really strong feelings for me (i do too) a while back, but nothing really happened, i asked her out but she;s really scared to meet me in person now b/c of the awkwardness (i could care less, but shes pretty shy).
So we've still been talking, i never message her, she's the one that constantly im's me and is still very flirty despite the fact that i always talk very sexual to her and junk (she claims she's not into that, but she keeps comin back) so there is at least some attraction. The thing is we're not getting anywhere, mostly i think b/c of her fear of the awkwardness... i dont blame her, i mean two years online is a LOT.... but can something be done about this on my part? I can tell she likes me but shes a wuss and i know if i don't do something, she definately won't... what should i do? Should I basically tell her to take things further or its over? or should i try to somehow make her feel more comfortable about it?? Advice...
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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WaterTiger

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Two years....TWO YEARS:confused: She's afraid of meeting you after talking to you for two years? This chick is wierd! If you haven't convinced her by this time that you aren't a serial killer, I don't see a lot of hope for the future.

Put your foot down, tell her you want to meet for coffee or something small & casual. If she refuses, then don't answer her messages for a while. Every time she tries to contact you tell her to "say it in person or not at all".
 

Don Ronny

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This sounds normal to me. I am scared of everyone online. Especially WaterTiger! *shudders*
 

splinterkb

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I wouldn't suggest trying to hook-up with someone that you only talk to online. First, you dont know if your chemistry matches with her. Second, people aren't the same in person as they are on the internet.
 

Ser_i

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I'm sorry but leave that GOD DAMN SAFETY ZONE you are operating from in your room....

don't want to sound nagging, but dude come on.. you're on this board.. it's about expanding your little safety zone from your room.. to every god damn place you lay foot on..

online "DJing.. isn't DJ'ing.. it's fooling yourself..

if she didn't have the guts... or forget about her.. if you don't have the guts, or persuation to get her to meet you in person then you shouldn't spend to much time on this.. like.. come on.. are you guys gonna have cyber s3x when you get all horny from internet kisses ?

come... read the bible!
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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