"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Hi guys i have been away from the pick up scene for quite a long time now because i've been so busy at work but i have to admit, i am 30 years old and i haven't been on a date in years. I know i don't even make much the effort to go out and do some approaches because i think most of the **** that mystery other pua's teach is bull**** and a complete scam. I have been in this community a long time now and i know that any success i ever had with girls was when i wasn't doing what most so-called pua were doing but was just been me. I had my life in order, good paying job, dressed well but since i have gotten a little older now i feel the need to get my dating life handled.

I want to try online dating but i'm finding it difficult to get them interested in me. i see alot of profiles online with girls but i cannot think of what to say to them so that they might want to relply. How can i improve my online dating profile because nobody ever sends me a message. Really all i want a cool sexy girl to hang out with and of course a relationship. I'm sure thats what most of us here want but i'm sure there are lots of guys here who can give me some solid advice.

Hope you can help.

Thanks
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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did you write this in your profile?

Really all i want a cool sexy girl to hang out with and of course a relationship
 

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woodsboro said:
did you write this in your profile?

Really all i want a cool sexy girl to hang out with and of course a relationship
No i did not, might not be a wise thing to say. I don't want to sound submissive. Any advice on online dating and confidence building.
 

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dark angel said:
No i did not, might not be a wise thing to say. I don't want to sound submissive. Any advice on online dating and confidence building.
wrong my friend...you seem to be scared of asking for what you want
and I haven't even read your profile

this is a powerfull line (slightly edited)
hopefully you'll understand why

Really all I want is to meet a cool sexy girl to hang out with and if things work out... a relationship

your insecurities will SHINE in your words.....re read your profile
and see how a girl might interpret every word

some quick tips to start

only message girls you are interested in "intellectually"
don't let what she writes on her profile damage your ego
if she's not interested..big deal move on

to get her attention

read her profile
read her profile
and
read her profile
 

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dark angel said:
Hi guys i have been away from the pick up scene for quite a long time now because i've been so busy at work but i have to admit, i am 30 years old and i haven't been on a date in years. I know i don't even make much the effort to go out and do some approaches because i think most of the **** that mystery other pua's teach is bull**** and a complete scam. I have been in this community a long time now and i know that any success i ever had with girls was when i wasn't doing what most so-called pua were doing but was just been me. I had my life in order, good paying job, dressed well but since i have gotten a little older now i feel the need to get my dating life handled.

I want to try online dating but i'm finding it difficult to get them interested in me. i see alot of profiles online with girls but i cannot think of what to say to them so that they might want to relply. How can i improve my online dating profile because nobody ever sends me a message. Really all i want a cool sexy girl to hang out with and of course a relationship. I'm sure thats what most of us here want but i'm sure there are lots of guys here who can give me some solid advice.

Hope you can help.

Thanks

You come on to a website saying that people who are the trailblazers and founders of the seduction community are full of ****, then you turn around looking for advice looking how to score chicks? Why don't you do the bull**** that you were doing before concerning that Mystery'em are full of sh*t?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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all the guy is saying is he's not interested in magic pills and circus routines
just genuine advice...its what I've given him
no need to get defensive
 

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dark angel said:
I know i don't even make much the effort to go out and do some approaches because i think most of the **** that mystery other pua's teach is bull**** and a complete scam
The purpose of their material and courses is to make money, not to help guys out.

i'm sure there are lots of guys here who can give me some solid advice.
You want the Mature Man forum. Make sure you put the age in your profile otherwise they move your threads.
 

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woodsboro said:
all the guy is saying is he's not interested in magic pills and circus routines
just genuine advice...its what I've given him
no need to get defensive
Exactly, i have tried all the routines,gimmicks for months and have had very little success with it, not saying it doesn't work for some, i'm sure it does. It is after all mystery's method because it is congruent with him and is him thats why it gets him success with women. I have been away from the dating scene for a while now and i'm sure there are lots of guys like woosboro who can give some solid dating advice that i can use.

Here is what i currently have in the "About Me" section...

Ok just here to try something new. tired of going to bars to meet girls. heard dating sites are the best places in the world to meet women...ha ha. I prefer not to share anything about myself, if you want to know anything just ask.
Let me know what if you think this sounds good and how i think i can improve it.

Cheers
 

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er...its not good enough..sorry
I know some girls say...oooh message me if you wanna know more
its lame....really lame
don't be lame
don't be afraid to put yourself out there
there is a lot of good looking guys out there and you've gotta get a head of those dudes..the way you do that
is put yourself out there
talk about you (dreams, passions) thats what girls find interesting
and talk about what you want...the person you'd like to meet

one thing...stay away from any negative words...like
hey...dont wanna meet some crazy ass fat bi*ch

or

tired of going to bars :)
you could rephrase it so it sounds more interesting Im sure
 

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What I think when I hear "I'm tired of going to bars" is "I've given up and I'm going to try this online thing as a last ditch effort"
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Last_straw said:
What I think when I hear "I'm tired of going to bars" is "I've given up and I'm going to try this online thing as a last ditch effort"
indeed
 

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dark angel said:
Let me know what if you think this sounds good and how i think i can improve it.
That really doesn't say much. How about something generic like:

I'm a big fan of running, I like to test myself and compete in races once in awhile.
I'm not a big drinker but when I do I like to hang out with my friends and make new ones, etc... stuff like that.
 

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Last_straw said:
What I think when I hear "I'm tired of going to bars" is "I've given up and I'm going to try this online thing as a last ditch effort"
I've always found the statement "Tired of going to bars" extremely fascinating, because it never means the same for men than it means for women.

For men, it means exactly what you said, but for women, it usually means "I'm tired of one night stands and whoring it up, I'm very quickly realizing that I am approaching my expiration date and I'm ready to date a nice guy that won't mind that I ran up my sexual odometer in the last 10 years."
 
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You can meet women anywhere and everywhere, it doesn't just have to be in a bar unless you are looking for a one night stand then bars and clubs are the way to go.
 

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perseverance said:
You can meet women anywhere and everywhere, it doesn't just have to be in a bar unless you are looking for a one night stand then bars and clubs are the way to go.
who told you that women who go to bars and clubs are looking for a one night stand?
women will take what you offer them.... so if you only offer a one night stand then that's what you'll get

to the guy who said stick something generic on there
I disagree .... cos then you'll BE generic..........?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Well either I'm going to the wrong clubs or the women around my parts are total slvts, but the bars and clubs I frequented up until earlier this year were full of men and women looking to score. Sure, you'll meet a few high calibre women at bars and clubs, but they are scarce.
 

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woodsboro said:
I disagree .... cos then you'll BE generic..........?
This is like an advertisement. And the product is YOU. If you don't say anything about the product, how are you supposed to get customers?

Better something generic for now then nothing at all.
 

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you actually posted something that's not generic
just picking up in the word you used...the guy is afraid to be himself..... telling him to be generic isn't going to help him.... I agree with your other points
 

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also Dark angel
for some reason.... you didn't have a problem
spilling your guts in your first post
so...something changes inside your head, when it comes to writing your profile 
maybe.....it's because you're Trying to be impressive or something?
if you are..... then you're approaching this the wrong way.... you need to start being comfortable and proud of you're achievements and goals in life
girls don't fall for bs easily as you know......
so you need to start being honest with yourself
and put You into words it will take time
so set aside a day this week to tackle it
in the meantime start thinking
you're welcome to pm (private message) me
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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