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You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

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NC Success Stories?

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So I've started on NC and am almost at the 2 week mark. I'm happy to say that the physical pain of my stomach being in a knot over this girl has pretty much gone away. My question is what are some of your success stories with NC (the girl coming back to you)? How do you act if you happen to see the girl around? i.e walking by on the street or at a party. And how do you proceed if the girl reestablishes contact?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Renegade357

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Hah, you're just having a "good" day. If you are on this forum writing about NC and looking for hope you'll probably be feeling that sick feeling in your stomach again soon.

Want some good advice? Forget her. Move on to the next one.
 

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A true NC "success" story would be pretty boring. Because true success would just be silence, forever. If you're doing NC to get a girl to come back to you, then you are setting yourself up for disaster. Sure, NC works, and if you ignore them long enough, they WILL come back to you, but it's only temporary. Use NC to get your head straight, get over a break-up, and keep your ex from finding out about all the hunnies you're spinning now. :)

-Scars
 

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Hate the game.. said:
So I've started on NC and am almost at the 2 week mark. I'm happy to say that the physical pain of my stomach being in a knot over this girl has pretty much gone away. My question is what are some of your success stories with NC (the girl coming back to you)?
As Scars said, NC doesn't work that way and you have to lower the ego.

When I went NC back in the day. I used to think girls were so in love with me but they just couldn't muster the courage to write me an email to tell how much the miss me and love me. Little did I know while I thought they were missing me the other guy was plowing them.

NC means you won't allow her to be responsible for you feeling good about yourself, not as way to make her realize what she is missing. She knows what she is missing and may or may not care.
 

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To clarify I didn't mean success= her coming back to you. But out of curiosity how often does that happen to you all? I swear I'm already seeing 3 other girls I'm just curious.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Hate the game.. said:
But out of curiosity how often does that happen to you all?

About 60%.

It depends on how much of a connection you had with them. Also depends on how much of a begging loser/a$$ you made of yourself during the break. If you played it cool the whole way and remained "intact" your odds go up.

The deeper your connection the higher chance you have of them coming around again. The 30% that didn't come back never dug me to begin with or found someone new to drain the life out of. The ones who did come back usually either struck out with the guy they wanted after me or just needed validation.

I've never had a girl genuinely come back wanting to work things out.
 

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Hate the game.. said:
My question is what are some of your success stories with NC (the girl coming back to you)?
Success in NC is defined as the time when you quit wondering if she will come back to you.

Basically, there are two kinds of NC and they should never be confused:
  1. NC done early in a relationship to briefly show her that you are willing to walk away/not needy. This could happen if she flakes on the first date, is acting cold, etc. The goal here is to force her to show whether she's interested. If she's not, you move on.
  2. NC done when things go south. This is done not to win the girl back, but to get over the girl and move on with your life. It is also not done to make the girl feel bad, etc. It is done for you so that you can re-prioritize your life and get your **** together. Sometime (rarely) a girl will come back to you when you do this. Don't count on it and start seeing other girls, focus on yourself and your friends, and get on with your life.

EDIT: I should also mention that I went NC about a month ago w/ a girl things weren't working out with. It feels great (really) walking away with my pride intact (no begging for second chances, no text novels, etc, etc). In this time I've put on some muscle at the gym, hung out with my buds, and am meeting new people. Success.
 
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As others have already mentioned, the point of NC is to move on with your life and NOT to "get the girl back".

If you're doing NC in the hopes of getting a girl back, you're starting with a losing strategy from the beginning.
 

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TillTheEndOfTime said:
As others have already mentioned, the point of NC is to move on with your life and NOT to "get the girl back".

If you're doing NC in the hopes of getting a girl back, you're starting with a losing strategy from the beginning.
That is an eye opener for a lot of people.
 
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It's been around a year and it's going great, she has a boyfriend and has moved on and I have moved on, everyone is a winner here. I hope I never have to bump into her, if I do, I'll just carry on as usual, ignoring her as I go about my everyday life.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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