"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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NC or ? Dont want to let it go

Chiral

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Hey everyone,
Been lurking for a while but finally decided to join and participate. I also need some advice.

**Sorry for the long post. I added any info I thought might be useful**

Quick background:
Me: male, 23, 5'9, 168lbs athletic, about 8/10, middle eastern / russian

Her: female, 23, 5'7, 125lbs average, abv avg ass, high b cup, slight beer belly, about 6/10 or 7/10 w makeup, white / Russian / Italian /some other. She has no friends except the one dude I'll talk about later.

Relationship lasted just under 6 months. She's shy, self concious, poor self esteem, anxiety. cut at young age, on Prozac and Effexor for 9 years (depression/ anxiety) high dosage. First red flag I ignored..
Always had an amazing time. Always making her laugh, trying new things etc. She popped the "I love you" way premature. Her parents love me, her dogs love me, she still loves me. For lack of a better term.

Fast forward 6 months after breakup. We hang 2-4 days a week. Usually initiated by her, unless I feel like I want to see her a day we dont plan anything. We still kiss, sex, etc. Always have fun / making her laugh / flirt

Where the issue starts:
There's another guy 30 yrs old, Unattractive, chubby, has no future other than whatever he's doing now. They dated at one point 3 years ago. He's her pot dealer. Through convo found out as she told me He's been pushing for sex and she's slept with him a couple times.

He rarely texts her unless he wants something. He was the cause of our breakup, he has some kind of hold on her. He doesn't care much about her, doesn't want any commitment. Essentially he's using her for sex but making it look like he gives a ****.

Two problems.
1. I don't want some other dude sleeping with her while I am. It doesn't help that I still have some feelings for her and wouldn't mind getting back together.

2. I don't want her to get hurt by him, she's fragile and doesn't deserve to be treated that way. In this case I was the "Nice Guy"

Note 1: He had texted her half hour before we broke up. Break up was out of the blue. I brought it up and said that if he wasn't in the picture we would have still been together. She responds with "yeah we would have been" then starts bawling her eyes out.

Note 2: I attempted to break this thing we have off once and she flipped, crying, hitting me, not talking, telling me I can't not be in her life etc. that's essentially what led to the continued sex/kissing/whatever this is. Although that's not what I was shooting for. I wanted to be done with it.

How do I solve problem #1, which would also take care of problem #2 for the most part?

Hung out last night
She texted me today with:

Her: "going to xxxx place" with her mom.

Me: no reply.
- Hour later
Her: picture of herself with a smoothie

Me: no reply.
- 3 hours later
Her: hellooo

Me: Ignore or respond?

I've read about NC 5 day thing but is that what's best here? Do I completely cut off contact. Or respond to her texts occasionally but with short one or two word messages? I would really appreciate some help or anything at all.

Other option would be telling her I'm out if he's in. Essentially she has to pick. I'm not really sure about this one though, not my favorite.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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J Roc

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There are 3.3+ billion women in this world and you are worrying about a beer bellied, low self esteem having 6 that dates drug dealers? Raise your standards boy!
 

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Bahaha I know right! I might have been a little uptight with the descriptions. mini beer belly, almost cute? I dont know, I just cant seem to get over this one.

I understand she's got a multitude of problems. But she was the one that stuck. Ive lost interest in so many women from my past that were much, much more attractive. Theres something about her I cant shake off.
 

InnerHappiness

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I want to be nice, but I can't.

You have more red flags than a minesweeper game. Ask yourself, is this chick remotely even worth your time?

You guys broke up, you are emotionally attached and it feels good to sucumb to the moment. The most successful path is the one not easily taken. Read many other posts on these forums that are VERY much similar to your situation.

This is coming from someone who wasted almost a year after the initial breakup. We have all been there, most of us have suffered continuing to pursue and some of us manned up leaving a broken relationship where it should have belonged.
 

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Yeah I was thinking minesweeper while I was typing this all up... hah.

Where its at with her is cool and all. It just bugs me she's with another dude. I feel like its because I was TOO available all the time and she kinda wanted the hunt? or wants what she cant have.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Update!

Her: "going to xxxx place" with her mom.

Me: no reply.
- Hour later
Her: picture of herself with a smoothie

Me: no reply.
- 3 hours later
Her: hellooo
- 30mins
Me: Hey

Her: Hey whats up

Me: nothing

Her: Oh
- 10 mins
Her: Want to chill

Me: Not tonight

Her: Ok


Went out with friends. Its not much at this point but is that a decent start? Day 1 of 5 of NC. We'll see what tomorrow brings. Some feedback would be much appreciated!
 

The Gambler

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Very good start! You told her just enough to make her wonder what the heck is going on.... You went out with friends and had a good time, but did not tell her any of the details (that wouldn't be good, right?)

I have a feeling she will start to figure a few things out about herself (and the both of you) over the next several days. Please stay strong... and keep posting those updates!

With Respect,

The Gambler
 

BadNews

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Move on. Go NC for your OWN good, and make it permanent. Her well being, or who she is seeing/sleeping with, is no longer your responsibility, and you should not concern yourself with that.

Day 1 of 5? You have been in contact with her today. Start day 1 tomorrow! And make it 1/~

The ONLY, I repeat ONLY, reason you 'can't seem to get past this one' is because YOU aren't allowing yourself to.

Do yourself a favor and move on! Trust me from experience, MOVE ON!
 
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