"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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NC or ? Dont want to let it go

Chiral

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Hey everyone,
Been lurking for a while but finally decided to join and participate. I also need some advice.

**Sorry for the long post. I added any info I thought might be useful**

Quick background:
Me: male, 23, 5'9, 168lbs athletic, about 8/10, middle eastern / russian

Her: female, 23, 5'7, 125lbs average, abv avg ass, high b cup, slight beer belly, about 6/10 or 7/10 w makeup, white / Russian / Italian /some other. She has no friends except the one dude I'll talk about later.

Relationship lasted just under 6 months. She's shy, self concious, poor self esteem, anxiety. cut at young age, on Prozac and Effexor for 9 years (depression/ anxiety) high dosage. First red flag I ignored..
Always had an amazing time. Always making her laugh, trying new things etc. She popped the "I love you" way premature. Her parents love me, her dogs love me, she still loves me. For lack of a better term.

Fast forward 6 months after breakup. We hang 2-4 days a week. Usually initiated by her, unless I feel like I want to see her a day we dont plan anything. We still kiss, sex, etc. Always have fun / making her laugh / flirt

Where the issue starts:
There's another guy 30 yrs old, Unattractive, chubby, has no future other than whatever he's doing now. They dated at one point 3 years ago. He's her pot dealer. Through convo found out as she told me He's been pushing for sex and she's slept with him a couple times.

He rarely texts her unless he wants something. He was the cause of our breakup, he has some kind of hold on her. He doesn't care much about her, doesn't want any commitment. Essentially he's using her for sex but making it look like he gives a ****.

Two problems.
1. I don't want some other dude sleeping with her while I am. It doesn't help that I still have some feelings for her and wouldn't mind getting back together.

2. I don't want her to get hurt by him, she's fragile and doesn't deserve to be treated that way. In this case I was the "Nice Guy"

Note 1: He had texted her half hour before we broke up. Break up was out of the blue. I brought it up and said that if he wasn't in the picture we would have still been together. She responds with "yeah we would have been" then starts bawling her eyes out.

Note 2: I attempted to break this thing we have off once and she flipped, crying, hitting me, not talking, telling me I can't not be in her life etc. that's essentially what led to the continued sex/kissing/whatever this is. Although that's not what I was shooting for. I wanted to be done with it.

How do I solve problem #1, which would also take care of problem #2 for the most part?

Hung out last night
She texted me today with:

Her: "going to xxxx place" with her mom.

Me: no reply.
- Hour later
Her: picture of herself with a smoothie

Me: no reply.
- 3 hours later
Her: hellooo

Me: Ignore or respond?

I've read about NC 5 day thing but is that what's best here? Do I completely cut off contact. Or respond to her texts occasionally but with short one or two word messages? I would really appreciate some help or anything at all.

Other option would be telling her I'm out if he's in. Essentially she has to pick. I'm not really sure about this one though, not my favorite.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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J Roc

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There are 3.3+ billion women in this world and you are worrying about a beer bellied, low self esteem having 6 that dates drug dealers? Raise your standards boy!
 

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Bahaha I know right! I might have been a little uptight with the descriptions. mini beer belly, almost cute? I dont know, I just cant seem to get over this one.

I understand she's got a multitude of problems. But she was the one that stuck. Ive lost interest in so many women from my past that were much, much more attractive. Theres something about her I cant shake off.
 

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I want to be nice, but I can't.

You have more red flags than a minesweeper game. Ask yourself, is this chick remotely even worth your time?

You guys broke up, you are emotionally attached and it feels good to sucumb to the moment. The most successful path is the one not easily taken. Read many other posts on these forums that are VERY much similar to your situation.

This is coming from someone who wasted almost a year after the initial breakup. We have all been there, most of us have suffered continuing to pursue and some of us manned up leaving a broken relationship where it should have belonged.
 

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Yeah I was thinking minesweeper while I was typing this all up... hah.

Where its at with her is cool and all. It just bugs me she's with another dude. I feel like its because I was TOO available all the time and she kinda wanted the hunt? or wants what she cant have.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Update!

Her: "going to xxxx place" with her mom.

Me: no reply.
- Hour later
Her: picture of herself with a smoothie

Me: no reply.
- 3 hours later
Her: hellooo
- 30mins
Me: Hey

Her: Hey whats up

Me: nothing

Her: Oh
- 10 mins
Her: Want to chill

Me: Not tonight

Her: Ok


Went out with friends. Its not much at this point but is that a decent start? Day 1 of 5 of NC. We'll see what tomorrow brings. Some feedback would be much appreciated!
 

The Gambler

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Very good start! You told her just enough to make her wonder what the heck is going on.... You went out with friends and had a good time, but did not tell her any of the details (that wouldn't be good, right?)

I have a feeling she will start to figure a few things out about herself (and the both of you) over the next several days. Please stay strong... and keep posting those updates!

With Respect,

The Gambler
 

BadNews

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Move on. Go NC for your OWN good, and make it permanent. Her well being, or who she is seeing/sleeping with, is no longer your responsibility, and you should not concern yourself with that.

Day 1 of 5? You have been in contact with her today. Start day 1 tomorrow! And make it 1/~

The ONLY, I repeat ONLY, reason you 'can't seem to get past this one' is because YOU aren't allowing yourself to.

Do yourself a favor and move on! Trust me from experience, MOVE ON!
 
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