@ Zerocelcius
When I say 'Hi', it means I greet you and am curious about you.
Which is my point. You are saying HI, but mean: I am curious about you. It is semantics.
When I say 'where are you from', it means I'm curious about where you are from and other stuff about you.
Again you are curious about where they are from, but Really want to know their personality. It doesn’t' really matter where they are from right? BUT by asking you are showing interest and discovering that person's personality. Again we are saying the same thing but semantics are getting in the way.
Yes, people have an intention when they approach, but if the approacher and approachee both know it, why is it fake?
I am not saying fake; as in not real, but rather "beating around the bush” Which has to be done. You have to beat around the bush. It is how you become comfortable. With out using this Fluff talk nobody will open up to you.
Yes, there is fluff talk. In fluff talk, people learn key things about the other's personality, sexuality, and individuality. That's all there is to it. Maybe you rehearsed some bs question or joke, but the purpose of those jokes and questions are to reveal things about each other's personality. Unless you lie during that process, why is it fake?
Exactly!! That is my point. You are finding out about their personality and showing yours as well. It is called "Social Dynamics" It is a blend of both Social and Psychological. It isn't fake it is real. The silly little way we get there is "beating around the bush" (fake) but very very real.
Your right about the lying. When you lie you are being fake to yourself. That is the true form of fake. When you go up to somebody and Fluff talk you aren't lying you are "Faking it till you make it” (getting there slowly if you will.) So there are shades of lying. Hold the truth back is a shade of lying, white lies, Exaggerations, etc... You have to draw your own line. There is no universal moral line. That is up to you and you can't push that standard on anybody but yourself.
On another note. Going up to somebody and expecting them to ignore social dynamics isn't fair either. You may be ok with jumping the gun and professing your utter and profound love (in general not you specifically) but that doesn't allow that person to adjust to you. That is almost like social Rape. You can't force somebody to deny the social dynamics they are comfortable with. MM may go too far by manipulating this and that is not my style, but you should allow somebody to adhere to the process of Social Dynamics.
I can understand why to some may consider this to be be fake. Some of those people just might want to get into someones pants and not give a care about that person's personality. This is what MM's and his followers attitudes to approaching is. You can tell this from the fake ice breaker he gave to his follows: "did you guys just see the fight outside?". This is exactly what Tucker Max criticizes about MM.
If getting into some bodies pants, are their intentions, than that is on them. I think most guys have been there. I will not be the one to point figures or waste my time judging others. Yea that is a fake ice breaker and since we know it is fake we can see it for what it is. There are millions of ways to break the ice, but you still have to take into account the social dynamics of a ice breaker. They don't know you from Adam, and you don't want to appear like you want something. I call it the "Telemarketer Theory" when a telemarketer calls you, you don't want to talk to them. Who cares how nice they are? Who cares what they are selling? You just want them to go away. If you come across as a telemarketer they will feel the same way towards you. But we aren’t telemarketers trying to sale our love and affection. SO there is no reason to act like one. We should be smart enough to understand Social Dynamics and adhere to the natural process. Take it slow and easy and control the frame. Everybody has their opinion even Tucker Max and you can take it for what it is worth. In the end we all have to make our own decisions and should never allow anybody or their views change our minds (not Mystery or Tucker Max).
It seems that we have different perspectives on 'game'. Your's is to optimize your ability to hook up with girls. Mine's is based in interacting with people and having fun. The two approaches are good for different people. People who are not successful in other areas of life (work, academics, friends, sports) will be more successful using your method. But, for people who are successful in other areas of life have a taste of genuine confidence and are generally intelligent and creative. Being themselves is more than good enough. For people who are not successful in other areas of life, I would recommend working on those other areas of life instead of developing a 'fake' game.
You got me wrong. I don't want to optimize my ability to hook up with girls. I actually am in the process of Not Hooking up with girls. I have in the past and too much dismay. More girls ='s more girl problems (I have enough with one girl). They are good for different people. And to those smart enough to adapt them to each and every different situation will benefit the most. The Balance of your life is the most important. In that regards you have to know what you find important in your life. I could care less about money. It is fake (yes it is real but the essence of it is fake) I could care less about work (unless it is my business) and I could care less about having sex with as many people as possible. I found out how hollow that was and now value quality over quantity. However; to others that just might be the stuff they find the most important.
And who is to decide what success is. For me just being able to have the time to do what I love is success. For others it might be how much $ you made doing something. Maslow's 'hierarchy of needs' is general but true. It is up to each and every one of us to connect the dots. If you were to make a list in outline form using Maslow's 'hierarchy of needs' than it would be easier to vision our balance .
Using tips and tricks may be effective, but nothing compares to the intelligence and creativity of the human mind.
This is why we should truly understand the aspect of life such as ‘Social Dynamics’ and the alike. We really are saying the same thing if it wasn’t' for semantics.
