Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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Alright, I guess I'll start off by introducing myself. I'm currently a junior in high school. It's pretty obvious, I need help with girls, I mean why else am I here. So here's my problem(s).

First of all, I'm Asian. My parents are Chinese immigrants, and like stereotypical Asian parents, they don't see any value in a social life, sports, etc. If I was a one-dimensional study zombie that gets 36s on his ACTs, they'd be thrilled.

So because of this, when I was in fourth grade, my parents sent me to a charter school since it would be good for me. I feel that this really messed up my social development, I was just a little kid who only cared about football. I had friends in the "popular" group in elementary school, if you can call it such a thing. I had great friends who I wouldn't see for the next four years. Instead of growing the way normal kids do, I had to spend 5th-8th grade with maybe 30-40 kids at a charter/magnet school. Now I was comfortable with everyone there, but being used to such a familiar group of people seriously harmed my development.

Then high school comes, and due to the special school, I happen to be ahead in most of my classes. Combined with the fact that now I was sort of a "new" kid, freshman year wasn't too great for me. My heart was still in sports, but football was far too "dangerous" according to my parents. As such, I went through freshman year eventually developing a few close friends, but not much outside of that. Girls were practically non-existant in my life that year, although I suffered from terrible one-itis with one I "met" in English class. I had a huge crush on her, and despite that, I only managed to talk to her no more than ten times that year.

Sophomore year improved, since I ran track spring my freshman year, which was enough to convince my parents to let me try football. Through the two sports I met many of the "popular" crowd once again, some of them the same kids I was friends with in elementary school. I also thought that this would by me some "status" with girls, but although they noticed me more, I was still a puss when it came to actually talking to them. I did however get my first "action" of my life, grinding with a girl at the HC dance, I didn't feel the need to show up freshman year. However, I did open up much more, and I built solid relationships with most of that year's senior and junior class. My own class was still difficult to break into, probably due to my advanced classes, but I was started to be well-liked by most people. During track that year, I finally started talking to girls, but only to later find out that I had landed in the dreaded friend zone.

This year I feel like I have improved more, although there is still work to do. Football this year really helped me bond with the senior class, and I always have people to talk to as I walk down the halls. My main group of core friends now have turned into the "stoner" crowd, which I actually welcomed to some degree as I have a more close-knit group to chill with. However, our group from last year now has essentially been divided between those that do smoke and those that don't, with me caught in the middle. I've started talking more to girls, espescially when I'm with my friends, but they tend to notice my friends more. It doesn't help that I'm an Asian in a community of mostly white people, with most asians being refugees, who tend to hang amongst themselves and have a bad reputation here as low class people. Many times this year girls have told me that I was the "coolest" asian they ever met, which I want to take as a complement. I got a girls number for the first time this year as well, another accomplishment for me.

However, I still feel a bit of social anxiety when it comes to approaching girls, espescially those at my school. I feel perfectly calm when talking to guys I've never met now, and even girls who aren't from my school. I think its the fear of rejection, as well as the fact that I don't want things spread about me. I know that this fear has to go, but I'm having a hard time doing so.

So sosuave, I've read countless other posts about how this site as changed their lives, as well as real life success journals such as sageproduct and bongduy's. I want to turn my life around, and be the guy that I envisioned myself as being when I was young. I want to be an alpha, I want to be a DJ, so the thing is how do I do it?

Sorry about the long-windedness of this post. I know I probably didnt explain some things clearly, but I'm trying to compress for the most part the last four years of my life in one post. Hopefully you'll get a feel for my situation and be able to help me. Thanks.

Kev
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Kevansta said:
Alright, I guess I'll start off by introducing myself. I'm currently a junior in high school. It's pretty obvious, I need help with girls, I mean why else am I here. So here's my problem(s).

First of all, I'm Asian. My parents are Chinese immigrants, and like stereotypical Asian parents, they don't see any value in a social life, sports, etc. If I was a one-dimensional study zombie that gets 36s on his ACTs, they'd be thrilled.

So because of this, when I was in fourth grade, my parents sent me to a charter school since it would be good for me. I feel that this really messed up my social development, I was just a little kid who only cared about football. I had friends in the "popular" group in elementary school, if you can call it such a thing. I had great friends who I wouldn't see for the next four years. Instead of growing the way normal kids do, I had to spend 5th-8th grade with maybe 30-40 kids at a charter/magnet school. Now I was comfortable with everyone there, but being used to such a familiar group of people seriously harmed my development.

Then high school comes, and due to the special school, I happen to be ahead in most of my classes. Combined with the fact that now I was sort of a "new" kid, freshman year wasn't too great for me. My heart was still in sports, but football was far too "dangerous" according to my parents. As such, I went through freshman year eventually developing a few close friends, but not much outside of that. Girls were practically non-existant in my life that year, although I suffered from terrible one-itis with one I "met" in English class. I had a huge crush on her, and despite that, I only managed to talk to her no more than ten times that year.

Sophomore year improved, since I ran track spring my freshman year, which was enough to convince my parents to let me try football. Through the two sports I met many of the "popular" crowd once again, some of them the same kids I was friends with in elementary school. I also thought that this would by me some "status" with girls, but although they noticed me more, I was still a puss when it came to actually talking to them. I did however get my first "action" of my life, grinding with a girl at the HC dance, I didn't feel the need to show up freshman year. However, I did open up much more, and I built solid relationships with most of that year's senior and junior class. My own class was still difficult to break into, probably due to my advanced classes, but I was started to be well-liked by most people. During track that year, I finally started talking to girls, but only to later find out that I had landed in the dreaded friend zone.

This year I feel like I have improved more, although there is still work to do. Football this year really helped me bond with the senior class, and I always have people to talk to as I walk down the halls. My main group of core friends now have turned into the "stoner" crowd, which I actually welcomed to some degree as I have a more close-knit group to chill with. However, our group from last year now has essentially been divided between those that do smoke and those that don't, with me caught in the middle. I've started talking more to girls, espescially when I'm with my friends, but they tend to notice my friends more. It doesn't help that I'm an Asian in a community of mostly white people, with most asians being refugees, who tend to hang amongst themselves and have a bad reputation here as low class people. Many times this year girls have told me that I was the "coolest" asian they ever met, which I want to take as a complement. I got a girls number for the first time this year as well, another accomplishment for me.

However, I still feel a bit of social anxiety when it comes to approaching girls, espescially those at my school. I feel perfectly calm when talking to guys I've never met now, and even girls who aren't from my school. I think its the fear of rejection, as well as the fact that I don't want things spread about me. I know that this fear has to go, but I'm having a hard time doing so.

So sosuave, I've read countless other posts about how this site as changed their lives, as well as real life success journals such as sageproduct and bongduy's. I want to turn my life around, and be the guy that I envisioned myself as being when I was young. I want to be an alpha, I want to be a DJ, so the thing is how do I do it?

Sorry about the long-windedness of this post. I know I probably didnt explain some things clearly, but I'm trying to compress for the most part the last four years of my life in one post. Hopefully you'll get a feel for my situation and be able to help me. Thanks.

Kev
Whats up man. Good to see that you have some dedication to improve.

First off, I would reccommend going through the DJ and HS Bible; simply because both provide excellent foundations for becoming a DJ.

Now the good thing is this: Your problem can be easy to fix! It seems to me that you have no trouble talking to anyone else, except girls from your school. That is much better than just being a totally introverted person who talks to virtually no one and truly has no social skills.

This is why you're having trouble talking to girls:

1. Confidence. You are missing a lot of this. You need to stop worrying so much about your ethnicity and just learn to accept it. Stop automatically disqualifying yourself simply because your asian, and stop getting down on yourself because your asian. You should be proud of your ethnicity. Girls can easily distinguish the asians that have themselves convinced they cant get girls and the asians that are proud, outgoing, and happy ones.

2. I say this alot, regret is always worse than rejection. The regret of not talking to a girl you wanna talk to, and letting her walk by, will always (or should) feel worse than getting "rejected" (heck i dont even know how a girl could reject talking to you. Maybe just be a b*tch and say "Dont talk to me" lol? Not many girls do that).

3. Stop worrying about things "spreading" and what others think of you. No one is forcing you to start asking girls out, and thats not what Im telling you to do. Im telling you to simply get more comfortable with girls and just start talking to them. Stop overthinking, stop worrying, be confident, and just have a normal conversation as you would if you were talking to a guy. If you're truly gonna be dedicated to change, you need to sort of force yourself to talk to girls. After doing that for a LITTLE bit, your comfort around girls will be greatly improved, and you wont have to "force" yourself anymore.

4. Regarding the smokers and non smokers, do what YOU want to do. Dont be influenced by the opinions and actions of others. And if people judge you by the company you keep, who gives a fvck. You shouldnt give a sh*t about what others think about you.

5. The fact that you are comfortable talking to girls from other schools is also a good thing. But, it shows that you're too worried about your reputation and what your fellow students will think of you.

Hope this all helps!
 

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Thanks eaglez, those are all good tips. I knew I lacked confidence, although I've been trying to improve on that (I'm sure actually that I've gotten better).

The whole regret v. rejection thing is the one that kills me. I never have the courage to actually "get with" a girl I like, and more often than not I find myself in the ****ty friendzone.

I've started reading the DJ Bible, and I feel motivated already. Today was a "success" at school I guess, I teased a girl that was in my class and made enough small-talk with people I don't know at all. I feel great too since I actually have a urge to finish my schoolwork as well as finally get a job (something I've been putting off since last summer). I worked out for the first time since football (since I figured that I wasn't going to play next year, why should I lift?) and I feel amazing too.

I'm gonna set a goal for each day and with little progress, hopefully I'll be on the track to be a DJ. Tomorrow I will start at least one conversation with a girl I don't know. Thanks sosuave.
 

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Hey Kev good to see you here. Just tellin you early, eaglez^ is incredible. Every time he's given me advice I've realized in the long run that he was right. Especially a few months ago, I missed out on quite a bit of action simply cuz I didn't follow what he said as closely as I could have.

Keep this thing going. It'll seem like a hassle to keep updating and sometimes you might feel weird keeping a "journal" about what happens in your life about girls but really, it's all for the best and probably one of the biggest things that'll help you.
 

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Kevansta said:
Thanks eaglez, those are all good tips. I knew I lacked confidence, although I've been trying to improve on that (I'm sure actually that I've gotten better).

The whole regret v. rejection thing is the one that kills me. I never have the courage to actually "get with" a girl I like, and more often than not I find myself in the ****ty friendzone.

I've started reading the DJ Bible, and I feel motivated already. Today was a "success" at school I guess, I teased a girl that was in my class and made enough small-talk with people I don't know at all. I feel great too since I actually have a urge to finish my schoolwork as well as finally get a job (something I've been putting off since last summer). I worked out for the first time since football (since I figured that I wasn't going to play next year, why should I lift?) and I feel amazing too.

I'm gonna set a goal for each day and with little progress, hopefully I'll be on the track to be a DJ. Tomorrow I will start at least one conversation with a girl I don't know. Thanks sosuave.
Nice job! Good to see that you actually went out in the field and tried to improve. Trust me man, and im telling you this from experience and observation, if you continue to push yourself out in the "field" I can guarantee that you will see a great improvement. As always, if you ever have any questions or anything, feel free to post em in here or send me a pm
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I think you should simply take the don juan boot camp. That is first itll help you get you more out of your box in a timely fashion.

Or

Another idea you must develop a solid social circle of guys, (since you can bond with guys easily) focus on finding social active guys in the school and around. Learn from there natural quality. Then just approach all the girls you want in the school. I think I know how you feel, embarassment within the confines of your peers eyes you dislike( your school especially). But outside amongst the world you kinda dont give a FXck. Honestly I struggle with it to sometimes, I realize you gotta just balls up and say fXck it.

If your still in high school:

Plus follow your passions to be honest. Be on the football team disregard your parents your own man. If they support or not shXt your gonna who you want to be. I advise getting a job early and car plus license. Itll build your social status tremendously above your peers. (Most people around high school or not will ignore those ideas and depend on the undependable send you off parents.)
 

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So today sent me mixed signals lol. I had a successful conversation going with a HB8, but she was in a LTR and we were just talking (about her seeing me get pulled over out of all things). Later, I approached a random sophomore girl, who happened to have some birthday cake. I used the cake as an excuse, but failed miserably, probably since she was with friends. I missed a chance to introduce myself when she said that she really didn't know me, but whatever. I feel better now than I would've if I missed the chance, and I got some 'experience.'

I'm not tryin to turn this into a day to day journal lol, but rather just sharing my first few days into the world of DJ-ing.

I'm thinking about gettin my best friend (very AFC, girls say hes good looking but he has no game whatsoever) to go with me to the mall on friday and we'll just try out our game on random chicks. Good idea or not?
 

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I normally wouldnt recommend taking a bigtime AFC to try to game chicks at the mall. That will only bring your game down. But, if you got no one else willing to go, just make him your wingman and you be the main guy cuz hes prolly too afraid to talk to girls lol.
 

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You can really change your life. It's great to see that you've already started to make progress. Keep up with the DJ Bible especially. You will continue to make progress until you are amazed with yourself.

Best of luck, and remember above all: Have FUN!! :up:
 

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I have a serious question. What's a good way to talk to girls that are friends of your friends?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Another thing, tonight me and my AFC friend are trying to set somethin up. Since it'll probably be more guys than girls, hows the best way to "stand out" and get their interest?
 

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I ended up hanging with two of my friends at his house, and then we invited ourselves to some sophmore girl's house (she's probably around a 7-8 with a really nice rack). I knew her before, just not well, since we used to talk after track practice last year. I think I did well, here's how it went:

I went about the whole night teasing her about how three different fat guys at our school have crushes on her. She knows too and got "mad" each time lol. Then we went to play some Call of Duty on her brother's xbox, and I got some kino in, helping her out by "showing her how to play" as well as high-fiving after she got kills. I tried using some C+F too throughout the night, eventually we got into a "fight" over a drumstick where we stole it from and poked each other. Then I made a joke about how I was gonna find the other drumstick and "poke her with two sticks" lol. I also ate some of her food at her house, and then asked for permission, trying to get some more C+F in. The night ended with all of us getting "good-bye" hugs, but I got two lol.
 

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I am kicking myself for a missed number close yesterday. She borrowed my friend's phone, and texted me "hey sexy" on it, to which I replied "oh yeah, i know". I asked if I should text back on my friend's phone, and she said something about me not knowing her number. I should've been like "well that's a problem that we gotta fix."

I'll see her on Monday most likely during lunch. What should I do?
 

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So I got that one's girls numbers and the texts went somethin like this:

Me: Hey sexy (what she texted me yesterday)
Her: Who is this
(blah blah blah, she guess it)
Me: Who were you hopin for?
Her: Im so lost, who is this?
Me: (joke about fat guy with crush on her)
Her: haha, funny
Me: Yea i kno, i get told that all the time (tryin some C+F)
Her: i bet you do
Me: wow 2 for 2, you must be psychic
her: ha, yup ;)
Me: maybe I am one too
her: really? that's hot ;)
me: well my psychic powers feel that we should hang sometime
her: haha sounds good, your powers are pretty accurate ;)
....... later that nite....
me: we were gonna chill somewhere tonite but u had to ruin it
her: aw lmao, i was out with someone already ;)
me: u owe me one sometime
her: eh, i dont like being in debt :p
me: that's a problem, isnt it
her: yes it is
me: we should fix that soon
her: okay

Then i stopped texting for the night. I was with friends, and the one that knew her best i guess was trying to ****block me. He said somethin about how that's just how she talks, and that she wasnt really payin attention. then he started to text that girl. I'm pretty sure hes deep in the friend zone though, he's been giving that girl rides since spring last year, and has been actively tryin to hang with her for over a month now. I think im just gonna accept that hes in the friend zone, jealous, and continue to game this chick. good idea or no?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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AtillaTheHun said:
Is it just me, or are there a lot of asians on the sosuave forums?
Haha BongDuy, me, and Kevansta are all asian and now all have FR's...we'll see if the trend continues

Edit: and Kevansta, I've decided not to give anyone here direct advice with girls until I've had some proven success. I just wanted to say though, keep updating even if it seems like no one's reading it/giving advice because I've found that my unanswered questions generally answer themselves with time.
 

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Idk if I want to call this a field report lol, I've just been posting stuff as I go along. if i want to make a full-out fr tho, i'll definitely clean it up a bit, give names, etc to make it easier. Do you think that having a FR has helped you out?

EDIT: when would it be a good idea to text this girl back again? i texted her yesterday and haven't said anythin today.
 

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Do you think that having a FR has helped you out?
Absolutely. I had my first kiss a month after starting my FR. You may not think that's anything, but keep in mind that that improvement's starting point was a guy who had never even pecked a girl for the first 17 years of his american life. One of the biggest things it made me stop doing was overanalyze EVERYTHING. You ever have a buncha thoughts racing through your head that seem a bit much and you would never admit to anyone, even yourself? Maybe not, but for me, it was a great way of getting rid of those thoughts.

I would keep think things like "what's the best response" or "does she like me" or "what does this mean" and blah blah blah and when I started my FR and started typing all these thoughts out, I started realizing how complicated I was making everything. Sometimes, I had the most ridiculous thoughts going through my head, and it wasn't until I saw them that I realized how crazy and irrational I was being. Every day I would read my own FR entry and think, "How would I give advice to the person writing this?" and almost every single time it was literally "you're overthinking this, just do _______". So yes, it has definitely helped me out.
 

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So I got that one's girls numbers and the texts went somethin like this:

Me: Hey sexy (what she texted me yesterday)
Her: Who is this
(blah blah blah, she guess it)
Me: Who were you hopin for?
Her: Im so lost, who is this?
Me: (joke about fat guy with crush on her)
Her: haha, funny
Me: Yea i kno, i get told that all the time (tryin some C+F)
Her: i bet you do
Me: wow 2 for 2, you must be psychic
her: ha, yup ;)
Me: maybe I am one too
her: really? that's hot ;)
me: well my psychic powers feel that we should hang sometimedont say this. If you want to ask a girl to hang out with you, you suggest that you do this or that on a certain day. You never really gave a set date or thing to do. Always have a plan in your head on how you're going to hang out with the girl, dont say stuff like "we should hang out sometime" or "we should hang out soon" Say something like "Hey lets see a movie this friday/Hey I want to see a movie with you this friday. See the difference?
her: haha sounds good, your powers are pretty accurate ;)instead of ending it here, you shouldve given her a date (as in wat day) and what to do! This was your golden opportunity because she agreed that she wanted to hang out!
....... later that nite....
me: we were gonna chill somewhere tonite but u had to ruin itwhy would you say this? Theres NO reason to say this at all. Its in the past tense so I assume you said it at the end of the night. All you're doing here is just creating unnecessary fluff talk. And just for the record, its usually better to mention that you wanna hang out a few days PRIOR to when you plan on hangin with the girl. Simply because she may already have plans for the night (girls usually set their plans for the night much earlier than guys do)
her: aw lmao, i was out with someone already ;)see?
me: u owe me one sometime
her: eh, i dont like being in debt :p
me: that's a problem, isnt it
her: yes it is
me: we should fix that soon
her: okay

Then i stopped texting for the night.gah! You did it again! You left her hanging! If you want to "fix" it sometime, then suggest a day for you two to hang out! Its like you're hitting a home run in baseball but you're stopping at third base. Go all the way home with it! I was with friends, and the one that knew her best i guess was trying to ****block me. He said somethin about how that's just how she talks, and that she wasnt really payin attention. then he started to text that girl. I'm pretty sure hes deep in the friend zone though, he's been giving that girl rides since spring last year, and has been actively tryin to hang with her for over a month now.yep he prolly is I think im just gonna accept that hes in the friend zone, jealous, and continue to game this chick. good idea or no?well idk i guess but its totally irrelevant. Whether hes in the friend zone or not, it should not affect YOUR game at all.
Just for the record, i've read through all the previous posts in here, and to be honest you actually do have some decent game. Thats saying alot since theres A LOT of guys out there that would NEVER be able to do or say the things you do. That being said, you've got a lot of potential, and the sky is the limit. It seems to me like you're pretty good in conversation, and you understand that kino is an important part of the game (and you do incorporate it to some extent). I'll reiterate this again though, theres NOTHING wrong with too much kino. It'll always help.

Another thing I have noticed is that you have some trouble benefitting from easy situations (as in when you feel a number close is in easy grasp, you dont go for it for whatever reason). I know you can do better; you've just gotta push yourself more. Instead of looking back and writing on here "ohh that was a good opportunity for this or that but i missed it", make sure you keep that in your mind and DONT miss it again out in the field! Like I said before, the baseball analogy I gave applies pefectly to your situation. What your doing is hitting a home run, but instead of touching the last base at home, you stop at third base.

Hope that helps, and if you've got any more problems, shoot me a pm
 

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What does it mean when a girl asks you who do you like? Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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