"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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My good friend who is 5'4 just started dating an awesome chick from online

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I don't have any complex about my race, I feel that I'm basically white and Americans all think I'm a good looking Puerto Rican or Spanish dude


but it doesn't seem to matter in dating. Women would still prefer my 100% white friends even when they are inferior to me in almost every way or at best, equal to me in most ways
Obviously they aren't in the eyes of women and that's what matters. And it has nothing to do with your race.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Obviously they aren't in the eyes of women and that's what matters. And it has nothing to do with your race.
So explain how my 6 inches shorter friend who makes a fraction of my income who has the exact same interests/hobbies/personality type/etc... as I do gets an awesome woman online and I didn't even get any replies last time I tried it 4 years ago?

He is not using some magic pickup line. I've seen him around women. He acts about the same way as I do and says the same **** I do. We are very very similar.
 

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So explain how my 6 inches shorter friend who makes a fraction of my income who has the exact same interests/hobbies/personality type/etc... as I do gets an awesome woman online and I didn't even get any replies last time I tried it 4 years ago?

He is not using some magic pickup line. I've seen him around women. He acts about the same way as I do and says the same **** I do. We are very very similar.
Is he as insecure as you are? If we can see that imagine how you must come off to women
 

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You are deeply insecure. And it's that which is fvcking you up.

You won't listen, though. Waste of time.

Your friends should ditch you, because giving them this sort of energy is bullsh1t. And I have a lot of experience in the myriad ways this sort of stuff manifests.

Sort your head out. Get your own act together.

my friends love me dearly. I am a lot of fun to hang out with in real life in addition to being a genuinely great person. My boys know I would do anything for them

You guys are getting this mixed up in thinking that I am not happy for my friend. I am very very VERY happy for him but the fact that I don't get 1/10 of the same success when I am as good or better in every way with online dating is ridiculous
 

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Is he as insecure as you are? If we can see that imagine how you must come off to women
You guys would have a point if I was getting dates with OLD and women were being turned off by my personality in real life but we all know that would never happen. I am absolutely fantastic on actual dates, I just almost never get any
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You guys would have a point if I was getting dates with OLD and women were being turned off by my personality in real life but we all know that would never happen. I am absolutely fantastic on actual dates, I just almost never get any
Well I mean you have all the answers. No point in continuing this.
 

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I came in here to say wow.. a UPS driver makes more then a cop in a year?

It's funny some women just brush you off some might of did some research and see how much they make and some just like guys in uniform.
 

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I'm black yet white women still approach me and buy me ****. Maybe it's your location though. Try experimenting online with other locations, but consider alternative factors as well. Don't expect many of the white people here to relate to your situation. It's absurd considering We live life from different perspectives. Race IS a common factor and deserves to be at least looked into.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'm black yet white women still approach me and buy me ****. Maybe it's your location though. Try experimenting online with other locations, but consider alternative factors as well. Don't expect many of the white people here to relate to your situation. It's absurd considering We live life from different perspectives. Race IS a common factor and deserves to be at least looked into.
I have a beautiful light olive complexion, I shouldn't be experiencing any of the problems you are though dude - in all fairness

my sister who looks identical to me was worshiped by men of all races

edit: I'm not going for white girls, I like ethnic women - Spanish, Middle Eastern, Greek, Italian ,etc...
 

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Nah, your thinking is messed up in general.

You went out pubbing/clubbing to hit on women, never spoke to anyone, and then concluded that dating/women/whatever is sh1t.
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I'm talking about online dating here

I tried it 4 years ago and couldn't get a single reply from anybody halfway ok. I asked people online for feedback about what I was doing and everybody was dumbfounded - they said my profile was solid and that I looked very handsome in my pics
 

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I had an Italian girlfriend last year. She told me to "insist more".

Your pretty boy nonsense isn't going to rub on them (or any woman worth a damn, really).

Chap, you have any idea how aggressive Italian blokes are over there?
I messaged a decent amount of women online 3 or 4 years ago and they wanted nothing to do with me. How much more aggressive can I be?

next, you're going to tell me to forget online dating and try real life. Well guess what? I don't meet that many cute, mid to late 20s, no kids, professional, quality women in real life (as I live in suburbs) and the ones I do never want to be with me

Dating in general is F*cking abominable
 

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You're Armenian?

Maybe you look more like a generic Arab than the handsome white guy in your own head.

Maybe girls see you and think "ewww" and "eugh" and "yukk".

5'4 cop? Is that even allowed? I find it hard to believe a jacked 5'4 cop is a cool guy. Sounds like he would be hell with a chip on his shoulder, no wonder you think he acts like you - prob both pricks.
 

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I messaged a decent amount of women online 3 or 4 years ago and they wanted nothing to do with me. How much more aggressive can I be?

next, you're going to tell me to forget online dating and try real life. Well guess what? I don't meet that many cute, mid to late 20s, no kids, professional, quality women in real life (as I live in suburbs) and the ones I do never want to be with me

Dating in general is F*cking abominable
You are troll.

If you behave here like you do in réal life. It's normal you have nothing

Are you sûre you suceeding in your sale jobs?

I am in sale too.

Being good in sales doesnt make you good "with women" but sûre give you confidence to move and act.

Move and act = réaction which gives results (even with girls)

You cant say you are a perfect guy when you come here and complain. If you were perfect you would have no need to complain.

Armenian are hots to have dated some. So go to your community stuff.

There is hot girls in the suburban, go where there are.

If you find girls are not hot enough where you are for you.. more reasons to plate them and build expérience and confidence (which you need). Because the "not hot" who arent approaching you, well you'll have the same issue with the "hot enough"...but the "hot enought have game and experience" so you'll need that also to match the séduction game and have a chance.

Dating is like sales: Approach, Communicate, feel the need, close
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Exactly Von, this guy comes here to tell us here's perfect but complains women reject and are repulsed by him. You would have to be extremely stupid not to realise the problem is you (I think he knows this), even more stupid to think you were still perfect (he doesn't realise this).
 

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You're Armenian?

Maybe you look more like a generic Arab than the handsome white guy in your own head.

Maybe girls see you and think "ewww" and "eugh" and "yukk".

5'4 cop? Is that even allowed? I find it hard to believe a jacked 5'4 cop is a cool guy. Sounds like he would be hell with a chip on his shoulder, no wonder you think he acts like you - prob both pricks.

I look heavily Spanish or Puerto Rican or maybe Greek. Culturally I feel very white or European

and we are both great guys
 

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We should make another sub forum called "Race/Height/Whining/Nonsense/Etc."
 

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Not trying to sh1t on you, mate.

But pull your head out your arsehole. For goodness sake.

Nothing you are saying is applicable to set. And i'm seriously telling you that.

why you say that?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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