"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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My friend's sister...

Sean O

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Gah... messy situation here. My friend (let's call him Matt) has a sister (let's call her Jane). She's 19, I'm 18. Lately, her and I have been flirting pretty hardcore with each other (lot's of kino and sexual innuendo, and I've also massaged her tits a couple of times while she, Matt, myself, and a few other people were sitting around watching bad zombie movies. I did this discreetly, of course), but tonight things got a little farther than I expected them to.

Jane was with three of her friends, and she called me up tonight to suggest that I join up with them. I told her to come to my house to get me, and we'd take it from there. I also let her know that I was high at the time. The five of us ended up walking around outside for a while before the four of them had to leave. For most of this time, however, Jane kept trying to get me to kiss her, and at one point she was even suggesting that she spend the night with me (which she could have, since my parents and sister are all on vacation, so I have the house to myself for a few days).

Now, as much as I wanted to bang her, or at least get head (since I had no condoms), whenever I considered escalating things, I felt a pang of guilt and immediately thought of my friendship with Matt. After all, Matt is one of my best friends, and I don't want to do anything to ruin that. So essentially I pretended that I was higher than I actually was, and played like I was too "lost in space" to know what was going on. She seemed to buy it, and I avoided kissing her or having her spend the night.

So now I'm conflicted between my desires for Jane (not just for sex, but also for a relationship perhaps, since there's some of that chemistry between her and I as well), and the value I have on my friendship with Matt. At the very least, I've decided that I wouldn't try for anything with Jane without Matt's blessing first. However, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to even try this, since it may make things a little awkward for Matt and I. To be fair though, Matt is friends with many of Jane's exes, and in one case he actually knew the friend before said friend started dating Jane, which is virtually the same situation I'm in now. Therefore, there's some "precedent", and it suggests this wouldn't be much of a problem. Still, I'm feeling a little torn on the issue.

With my rant out of the way (I apologize if it seems a little wordy; I have a tendency to do that), I'd like to ask you guys what you'd do about this, given what's happened so far and also Matt's history with being friends with Jane's exes?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Michele l'Arcangelo

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interesting. i like this.

it doesnt have to be a messy situation.

having a best friend and also be dating his sister... could always be good too.

You all could be one REALLY close group of friends.

and i like the idea of getting the brothers blessing first.

but if you want to get his blessing, make a list of reasons WHY dating his sister wouldn't be such a bad thing.

He's YOUR best friend, so YOU should know how to ask him about it.

Here's some good reasons for anybody... I think:
-He can beat your ass if you hurt her.
-This will make a really close group of friends.
-He's your best friend, so there's no way you'll ever take a chance to hurt her.
-You won't have to feel guilty doing anything behind is back.

Don't bring up that:
-Because she's hot.
-You both have been getting "friendly".
-She wanted to stay a night.

And DO NOT FEEL BAD. Dude, it's natural to feel attraction for the sister sometimes... as long as ther age is close... or its sick. I think its natural because you hangout with them SO much, there's bound to be some attraction over time eventually. It's natural because you would never treated her badly (i'm assuming) because she's youre best-friend's sister... and vice-versa... and so there's more reason to build up attraction over time.

It's normal.

alright then, tell me what you think. tell me how it goes.
 

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Well, she is her own person and is capable of making her own decisions. If she likes you, then she likes you.

But, if all you want is a lay, then it's not worth it on your part. Ruining a friendship over hitting it a couple times is just dumb. There are more women out there for that purpose.

If you are interested in a relationship, then go ahead. If he says anything about kicking your ass if you hurt her, just tell him that you care about her and would like to see where things could go. As long as you show him you respect his sister, it should be cool.
 

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You guys do like to complicate things.

Sean, ask him if he's ok with it.

That's it.
 

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5: If you've known a guy for more than 24 hours, his sister is off limits forever unless you actually marry her.

The International Council of Manhood, Ltd.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Michele l'Arcangelo

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GloriouslyInsane said:
5: If you've known a guy for more than 24 hours, his sister is off limits forever unless you actually marry her.

The International Council of Manhood, Ltd.
does that mean... shes off limits forever... since you cant EVER marry her since shes off limits?
 

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It's a joke man :D Well actually you should atleast go after an LTR,it's the respectable thing to do.
 

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Yeah, I don't have any intention of just using her for sex (although sex is always welcome :D). I'm most likely going to see both of them tonight, so I'll find the time to talk to Matt alone to see how he feels about it.
 

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LikRetsam said:
You guys do like to complicate things.

Sean, ask him if he's ok with it.

That's it.

yep.

and sean, good for you for having more self control than most people would.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Okay, I talked to Matt, and he wasn't cool with it. Not because he doesn't trust me, but because he doesn't trust Jane. Apparently she sleeps around a LOT, and I'd be likely to catch an STD from her. So I guess I made the right move... lol.

Thanks for the replies, though :).
 

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Sean O said:
Okay, I talked to Matt, and he wasn't cool with it. Not because he doesn't trust me, but because he doesn't trust Jane. Apparently she sleeps around a LOT, and I'd be likely to catch an STD from her. So I guess I made the right move... lol.

Thanks for the replies, though :).
Bullsh1t.
 

GloriouslyInsane

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Yeah sounds fishy,be careful of this matt dude,he's one smart sob.
 

Sean O

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Well, whether it's true or not, it shows that he's not cool with it, therefore I won't do it. Besides, Jane did want to spend the night with me before we had even kissed... so this claim of Matt's doesn't seem all that farfetched :D.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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