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My final assessment of swinging

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I've been immersed in the swinging and polyamory scene for the past 2 months or so. In that time I've banged some chicks, been to a bunch of swing and polyamory events, clubs, house-parties, etc. All of these cost money to attend.

I have one phrase to sum up the experience:

Swinging is an expensive way to have sex with women who aren't as hot as the women I could be having sex with for free.

That is all.
 

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I've noticed this! Swingers are some ugly fückers, no joke. Met a few.

Ever see those Real Sex Episodes on HBO back in the day? Eeeegads! The humanity!
 

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Interesting. What kind of people go to these events? Are they usually a certain type; like low education, high education, older, younger, strange personalities, adventurous and interesting, nudists, alcoholics, married with children?

Is there a difference in motivation between the men and the women? My first thought is that it sounds like the husband finds a way to sleep with other women without the wife being able to call him a cheater. "It's an adventure for both of us, Marge!"

Do people ever cause a scene? Do people break up over this? Do swingers in general stay in the scene for a short time or for many years? Are there "alpha couples" who socialize with each other and arrange events for the rest?

When it comes to the sex, do you see some men and women being wanted much more than others, and does this cause problems? Is there a system between the pairings to avoid that kind of problem?
 

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What kind of people go to these events?

All kinds, but mostly older (mid 40s +) Lots of married couples who are bored f*cking each other.

Are they usually a certain type; like low education, high education, older, younger, strange personalities, adventurous and interesting, nudists, alcoholics, married with children?

All types

Is there a difference in motivation between the men and the women? My first thought is that it sounds like the husband finds a way to sleep with other women without the wife being able to call him a cheater. "It's an adventure for both of us, Marge!"

Good summation. There are some women there who are bisexual, some who are doing it so their man won't leave 'em, and the rest are attention wh0res.

Do people ever cause a scene?

I never saw one

Do people break up over this?

Probably

Do swingers in general stay in the scene for a short time or for many years?

The ones I saw who'd done it for years were the ugliest of 'em all. Most attractive women won't touch the scene with a 10-foot pole, and most attractive guys f*ck a few old cougars and leave. Ask yourself, what does a young, attractive woman gain by f*cking random old married guys at a party? Nothing. This unfortunately means that the average attractiveness of the swinger community is rather substandard. The first party I went to where I f*cked the 8 was an anomaly, unfortunately. People at the party were commenting on how attractive the couples there were. But that has not panned out ever again.

Are there "alpha couples" who socialize with each other and arrange events for the rest?

Yes. They've usually been in the scene for years and have all f*cked each other.

When it comes to the sex, do you see some men and women being wanted much more than others, and does this cause problems?

Yes. It doesn't cause "problems" unless you're not as attractive. Couples pair up based purely on hotness. If you're interested in trying it out, get a woman who is at least as physically attractive as yourself. Otherwise you will be severely limited. The hotter person in a couple ends up "taking one for the team" because the couple you can attract is only as attractive as the ugliest person in your couple.

Is there a system between the pairings to avoid that kind of problem?

See above. It all tends to sort itself out. I banged one chick who was an 8, had a 7 go down on me, and since then have had nothing but super-slut cougs. These cougs surround themselves with desperate dudes who have no game. Avoid "unicorns" at all costs. These are women who come to swing parties alone. They are the most massive attention wh*res I've ever seen, and every single one I've met has taken medications to avoid being bonkers. These chicks have notch-counts in the hundreds if not thousands but expect to be treated like princesses. And many desperate single men in the swing scene will treat them as such.

Whatever you do, don't go as a single male. They are pathetic and count themselves lucky if they get any action whatsoever, even if they're the 6th guy to f*ck a 50 year old unicorn that night. They are looked down upon in the scene and treated like dirt. Most parties won't even let them in, and the ones that do make them serve drinks and park cars to be allowed to enter. Always go with a woman, always.
 
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Zarky said:
Swinging is an expensive way to have sex with women who aren't as hot as the women I could be having sex with for free.
Considering that the women you are having sex with for free are, by your own description, 4's and 5's, it truly puts the the swinging scene in perspective :eek: Can't say I'm surprised though. Good-looking women can have sex with as many men as they want without going to swingers' parties.
 
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sounds like a pretentious and delusional bunch of losers to me....i LOL at them looking down on the single guys there...the ones i would look down upon are the ones in LTRs who are swinging
 

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Interesting. One more bit of knowledge about the world to add to the whole! Sounds kind of like the nudist scene, which is not so much about "freedom" as it is about men wanting to see women naked.

One thing I learned from Zarky's description is that couples can go without actually being couples, apparently. You just need to find a woman who will come along with you. I wouldn't even think that would be possible.

Zarky said:
Whatever you do, don't go as a single male. They are pathetic and count themselves lucky if they get any action whatsoever, even if they're the 6th guy to f*ck a 50 year old unicorn that night. They are looked down upon in the scene and treated like dirt. Most parties won't even let them in, and the ones that do make them serve drinks and park cars to be allowed to enter. Always go with a woman, always.
Now that would have to be some of the worst specimens in society. A single guy going to a place where he knows people want single guys the least. Ugh.

Why is nothing in the world ever as advertised, am I right? But that's one of life's big lessons.
 

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My ex found some 2 guy - 1 girl porn in my stash once and said she was into it and would like to try it.

I never asked her for 2 girls as I thought it was disrespectful, but she was oh so keen to explore this selected part of my supposed "porn fantasy".
Seriously???
 

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Well, if you're swinging with a chick that you're actually interested in, you're doing something wrong.

The only women you should be swinging with are women you don't give two sh*ts about or some LTR you're sick of f*cking and who'd you'd gladly trade to f*ck another chick. I'm not sure about the "cuckold" comments that some guys have thrown out because I partner with women whom I don't even care if I ever see again. I certainly don't mind swapping her out to bang some other girl.

That's basically how it works. The chick is your currency, and you're using her to bang other chicks. I frankly have no idea what the women get out of it other than 1) pleasing their guy 2) being with another woman if they're bisexual and/or 3) being the center of attention. And the reason is that, as ugly as most of the women are, the guys are even uglier. We're talking super ugly, fat, old dudes with 3-inch ****s.

Seriously, if my future wife gets bored, I would rather she banged some guy on the sly than try and put me through that.
It's clear that you're naturally monogamous and therefore you wouldn't work on the swing scene. See, I can't imagine ever being that interested in a woman to marry her.

It's not that I don't like the concept of the swing scene, it's that the b*tches just aren't attractive enough. And the ones who are attractive all have egos the size of LA county and are impossible to deal with.

If you think standard women are divas, you should interact with swinger chicks. Even the ugliest -- and by ugly I mean 50+ years old, wrinkled, fat, spread out vaginas, pregnancy stretch marks, etc -- think they are the hottest things out there.
 

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that's what i think too...real love isn't about owning someone...you can still love someone and bang others with no emotions or attachments involved...
 

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Zarky said:
sex with women who aren't as hot as the women I could be having sex with for free.[/B]

That is all.
WRONG, even the women you sex for free are 5s and 4s remember?

disgusting people like you are sh!tting on this planet ,bitter fat ugly lesbians

anyone who attends a swinging party and joyfully watches his girlfriend/wife being buttfuvcked by a total stranger must be really fvcked in the brain department. :box:
 

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Well, the pain of seeing another dude fvck my girl > the pleasure of seeing 2 girls fvck me. Can't see the biological or evolutionary sexual interest in allowing another man to cukcold you, but horses for courses I guess. Something rather ghey about it if you ask me.

I should mention that I am a ***** hobbyist and I have screwed 2 *****s many, many times in every concievable way, so this would be nothing new to me.

In fact I was doing so when we were together.
Agreed.


My ex found some 2 guy - 1 girl porn in my stash once and said she was into it and would like to try it.

I never asked her for 2 girls as I thought it was disrespectful
She said she wanted to try two guys on her. But you thought it would be disrespectful to ask her about two girls.....


That's what I was wondering about. I think having a threesome with another girl is a lot more acceptable than the other way around.
 

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Bokanovsky said:
Considering that the women you are having sex with for free are, by your own description, 4's and 5's, it truly puts the the swinging scene in perspective :eek: Can't say I'm surprised though. Good-looking women can have sex with as many men as they want without going to swingers' parties.
Hell, ugly looking and fat women can have sex at the drop of a hat! All they have to do is spread. If a man spreads like this, he's getting locked up quickly.
 

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something about swinging is disgusting and i am a very open minded person in general...the people who do it just seem to be really messed up in the head...i would rather bang prostitutes if i had no other way of getting sex...
 

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LOL it's not about having no other way of having sex, it's about... oh never mind. A bunch of romantic naturally monogamous guys would probably never understand.

I just see marriage as a natural progression in life and essential to bringing up children. It's nice to have a Mrs and gives you an element of community standing.
Yeah maybe in India or something. I'm trying to think of the "standing" that a married man has in my community that an unmarried man doesn't. I literally can't. Perhaps it's because I give zero sh*ts about what my community thinks of me and so these things don't register on my mind. And I can't stand kids, so.... not interested in marriage.

OK, you run the risk of losing money, but kids without marriage will lose you far more than marriage alone.
And how about when your kids find out you're banging hookers on the sly? Will that be beneficial to them?

I do like an element of romance,
I don't.

I enjoyed proposing.
I wouldn't.

most alphas have about 4 marriages, check out the worlds most powerful men and you will see what I mean.
Oh, thanks for giving us statistics on "alphas," where'd you get them? ;) Just because a guy happens to be rich doesn't mean he's "alpha" with the ladies. George Clooney is an exception :)

Remember, if you want a seriously good chick - hot, loyal, intelligent, devoted, pleasure to be around......these women don't settle for less.
But they do settle for husbands who sleep with hookers on the side, eh? Haha.

Either way, I don't give any sh*ts about any of that. I just want to bang a new chick every few weeks. I don't really give a damn about her personality and I care very little about her looks as long as she's not too overweight. All she's gotta be is cheap and easy, quite frankly. And if she completely shaves (or better -- waxes) her puss then I'm sold.

Which is why it's pretty shocking to me that I've found these swinger women to be so unattractive. They are literally 2s and 3s, at best. I don't have very high standards so you can imagine what these chicks are like.

I guess I may be alone on here in wanting a family one day
Well, I certainly don't, but there are a lot of chumps here who do. I'd guess that 95% of men do. And probably 99% of women.

Nope, not interested in raising a brood. There will be no me in the next generation. When I make my exit, the place can get hit by a comet for all I care. Because when I leave I'm leaving nothing behind.
 

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Fruitbat said:
I just see marriage as a natural progression in life and essential to bringing up children.
Zarky said:
Yeah maybe in India or something.
It is a natural progression everywhere. It is coded in our genes to have children and also to stay and take care of them. Love is a strong biological reaction aiming at making the parents stick together. Yes, men also have the instinct to have as many children as possible with different women - which we feel as the instinct to sleep with many women - but we also have the instinct to stick around and take care of the kids and their mother.

Most people feel better when they have someone in their lives who thinks of them and shares their ups and downs. I understand that you don't, Zarky, and if that works for you then good. But you should understand this drive in other people and know where it comes from. Also, a person who grows old alone and without children will feel very lonely. When he is aging and his body breaks down and he has done everything in his daily routine ten thousand times before, what is the point of living one more day when he has no children and grandchildren to watch growing up? No one to carry on his name. You don't feel it now (and neither do I yet), but you will. There is a reason men with no children live shorter lives and turn to alcoholism more often. It is food for thought for all of us; life won't always be a party.
 

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I would absolutely join these swinger parties. I've joined a few clubs and they have parties or events or whathaveyou. My problem is finding a girl that would join me and is into these sort of things...also they won't let you attend unless you bring a girl.
 

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Well, I certainly don't, but there are a lot of chumps here who do. I'd guess that 95% of men do. And probably 99% of women.

Nope, not interested in raising a brood. There will be no me in the next generation. When I make my exit, the place can get hit by a comet for all I care. Because when I leave I'm leaving nothing behind.

It must be nice being that detached. It certainly would make life a whole lot easier. You can't call men chumps though for wanting what's natural. It's like calling a dude a loser because he likes sex.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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