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My final assessment of swinging

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I've been immersed in the swinging and polyamory scene for the past 2 months or so. In that time I've banged some chicks, been to a bunch of swing and polyamory events, clubs, house-parties, etc. All of these cost money to attend.

I have one phrase to sum up the experience:

Swinging is an expensive way to have sex with women who aren't as hot as the women I could be having sex with for free.

That is all.
 

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I've noticed this! Swingers are some ugly fückers, no joke. Met a few.

Ever see those Real Sex Episodes on HBO back in the day? Eeeegads! The humanity!
 

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Interesting. What kind of people go to these events? Are they usually a certain type; like low education, high education, older, younger, strange personalities, adventurous and interesting, nudists, alcoholics, married with children?

Is there a difference in motivation between the men and the women? My first thought is that it sounds like the husband finds a way to sleep with other women without the wife being able to call him a cheater. "It's an adventure for both of us, Marge!"

Do people ever cause a scene? Do people break up over this? Do swingers in general stay in the scene for a short time or for many years? Are there "alpha couples" who socialize with each other and arrange events for the rest?

When it comes to the sex, do you see some men and women being wanted much more than others, and does this cause problems? Is there a system between the pairings to avoid that kind of problem?
 

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What kind of people go to these events?

All kinds, but mostly older (mid 40s +) Lots of married couples who are bored f*cking each other.

Are they usually a certain type; like low education, high education, older, younger, strange personalities, adventurous and interesting, nudists, alcoholics, married with children?

All types

Is there a difference in motivation between the men and the women? My first thought is that it sounds like the husband finds a way to sleep with other women without the wife being able to call him a cheater. "It's an adventure for both of us, Marge!"

Good summation. There are some women there who are bisexual, some who are doing it so their man won't leave 'em, and the rest are attention wh0res.

Do people ever cause a scene?

I never saw one

Do people break up over this?

Probably

Do swingers in general stay in the scene for a short time or for many years?

The ones I saw who'd done it for years were the ugliest of 'em all. Most attractive women won't touch the scene with a 10-foot pole, and most attractive guys f*ck a few old cougars and leave. Ask yourself, what does a young, attractive woman gain by f*cking random old married guys at a party? Nothing. This unfortunately means that the average attractiveness of the swinger community is rather substandard. The first party I went to where I f*cked the 8 was an anomaly, unfortunately. People at the party were commenting on how attractive the couples there were. But that has not panned out ever again.

Are there "alpha couples" who socialize with each other and arrange events for the rest?

Yes. They've usually been in the scene for years and have all f*cked each other.

When it comes to the sex, do you see some men and women being wanted much more than others, and does this cause problems?

Yes. It doesn't cause "problems" unless you're not as attractive. Couples pair up based purely on hotness. If you're interested in trying it out, get a woman who is at least as physically attractive as yourself. Otherwise you will be severely limited. The hotter person in a couple ends up "taking one for the team" because the couple you can attract is only as attractive as the ugliest person in your couple.

Is there a system between the pairings to avoid that kind of problem?

See above. It all tends to sort itself out. I banged one chick who was an 8, had a 7 go down on me, and since then have had nothing but super-slut cougs. These cougs surround themselves with desperate dudes who have no game. Avoid "unicorns" at all costs. These are women who come to swing parties alone. They are the most massive attention wh*res I've ever seen, and every single one I've met has taken medications to avoid being bonkers. These chicks have notch-counts in the hundreds if not thousands but expect to be treated like princesses. And many desperate single men in the swing scene will treat them as such.

Whatever you do, don't go as a single male. They are pathetic and count themselves lucky if they get any action whatsoever, even if they're the 6th guy to f*ck a 50 year old unicorn that night. They are looked down upon in the scene and treated like dirt. Most parties won't even let them in, and the ones that do make them serve drinks and park cars to be allowed to enter. Always go with a woman, always.
 
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Zarky said:
Swinging is an expensive way to have sex with women who aren't as hot as the women I could be having sex with for free.
Considering that the women you are having sex with for free are, by your own description, 4's and 5's, it truly puts the the swinging scene in perspective :eek: Can't say I'm surprised though. Good-looking women can have sex with as many men as they want without going to swingers' parties.
 
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sounds like a pretentious and delusional bunch of losers to me....i LOL at them looking down on the single guys there...the ones i would look down upon are the ones in LTRs who are swinging
 

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Interesting. One more bit of knowledge about the world to add to the whole! Sounds kind of like the nudist scene, which is not so much about "freedom" as it is about men wanting to see women naked.

One thing I learned from Zarky's description is that couples can go without actually being couples, apparently. You just need to find a woman who will come along with you. I wouldn't even think that would be possible.

Zarky said:
Whatever you do, don't go as a single male. They are pathetic and count themselves lucky if they get any action whatsoever, even if they're the 6th guy to f*ck a 50 year old unicorn that night. They are looked down upon in the scene and treated like dirt. Most parties won't even let them in, and the ones that do make them serve drinks and park cars to be allowed to enter. Always go with a woman, always.
Now that would have to be some of the worst specimens in society. A single guy going to a place where he knows people want single guys the least. Ugh.

Why is nothing in the world ever as advertised, am I right? But that's one of life's big lessons.
 

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My ex found some 2 guy - 1 girl porn in my stash once and said she was into it and would like to try it.

She overlooked the fact 90% of my stash is 2 girl - 1 guy, and the stuff she saw was just there because when you buy mags (this was OLD porn from my batchelor days) you sometimes get stuff you aren't really into.

This was instrumental in me wanting to break up. I couldn't think of anything worse than allowing another dude anywhere near my woman, in addition to the fact I find nothing sexual about having an extra set of c0ck and balls swinging about near me.

I never asked her for 2 girls as I thought it was disrespectful, but she was oh so keen to explore this selected part of my supposed "porn fantasy".

I couldn't think of anything worse than swinging, it's like all value has been removed from sex and made into body parts banging each other. With all due respect, the day I swing is the day I realise I have given up. It's a horrible notion and I will pay hookers well before I look at doing this.

Seriously, if my future wife gets bored, I would rather she banged some guy on the sly than try and put me through that. The other thing is, if you have a fairly hot wife, or even just average and not fat, seeing as most swingers are older, women tend to age faster and get fugly quicker than men, so the likelyhood is she will get a reasonable choice and you will get some fat chicks who have had 3 kids and have tits down to their knees. I would be surprised if many hot young women are into this.

I am not neccesarily a romantic, but swinging is too far for me, the idea makes me feel sick. The only thing I would ever do would be a 2 girl threesome. Despite what women think, it is far less disrespectful to your woman than having another dude stick his d1ck in your woman. It just is.

What's wrong with porn for a bit of escapism anyway?
 

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Fruitbat said:
My ex found some 2 guy - 1 girl porn in my stash once and said she was into it and would like to try it.

I never asked her for 2 girls as I thought it was disrespectful, but she was oh so keen to explore this selected part of my supposed "porn fantasy".
Seriously???
 

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Seriously???
Well, the pain of seeing another dude fvck my girl > the pleasure of seeing 2 girls fvck me. Can't see the biological or evolutionary sexual interest in allowing another man to cukcold you, but horses for courses I guess. Something rather ghey about it if you ask me.

I should mention that I am a ***** hobbyist and I have screwed 2 *****s many, many times in every concievable way, so this would be nothing new to me.

In fact I was doing so when we were together.
 

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Well, if you're swinging with a chick that you're actually interested in, you're doing something wrong.

The only women you should be swinging with are women you don't give two sh*ts about or some LTR you're sick of f*cking and who'd you'd gladly trade to f*ck another chick. I'm not sure about the "cuckold" comments that some guys have thrown out because I partner with women whom I don't even care if I ever see again. I certainly don't mind swapping her out to bang some other girl.

That's basically how it works. The chick is your currency, and you're using her to bang other chicks. I frankly have no idea what the women get out of it other than 1) pleasing their guy 2) being with another woman if they're bisexual and/or 3) being the center of attention. And the reason is that, as ugly as most of the women are, the guys are even uglier. We're talking super ugly, fat, old dudes with 3-inch ****s.

Seriously, if my future wife gets bored, I would rather she banged some guy on the sly than try and put me through that.
It's clear that you're naturally monogamous and therefore you wouldn't work on the swing scene. See, I can't imagine ever being that interested in a woman to marry her.

It's not that I don't like the concept of the swing scene, it's that the b*tches just aren't attractive enough. And the ones who are attractive all have egos the size of LA county and are impossible to deal with.

If you think standard women are divas, you should interact with swinger chicks. Even the ugliest -- and by ugly I mean 50+ years old, wrinkled, fat, spread out vaginas, pregnancy stretch marks, etc -- think they are the hottest things out there.
 

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Zarky said:
It's clear that you're naturally monogamous and therefore you wouldn't work on the swing scene. See, I can't imagine ever being that interested in a woman to marry her.

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already have been dude, just divorced. I am in no way naturally monogomous, see my comments above about banging *****s!

She needs to be though.

I just see marriage as a natural progression in life and essential to bringing up children. It's nice to have a Mrs and gives you an element of community standing.

OK, you run the risk of losing money, but kids without marriage will lose you far more than marriage alone. Plus, if she brought up my kids, I am fine sharing with her 50/50. It's kind of the deal.

I do like an element of romance, I enjoyed proposing. I enjoyed the happiness it gave her and the wonderful togetherness we got from it, sounds AFC, guess it is, but most alphas have about 4 marriages, check out the worlds most powerful men and you will see what I mean. Remember, if you want a seriously good chick - hot, loyal, intelligent, devoted, pleasure to be around......these women don't settle for less. They want to be married, it's like a goal for them, and not all of them want to screw you. It's give and take. I guess I may be alone on here in wanting a family one day, but if she is going to stretch her body beyond all recognition, go through the pain of childbirth and risk her life giving you a future to share, the least you can do is give her a ring.

I reserve this offer for only the best women potentially.

Saying all this, I will never, ever be sexually monogomous. I have a sort of male entitlement complex, I am successfull, so I feel I deserve sex from a variety. I found high class escorts the most honest way to do this, the most discrete, and with the minimum of hurt for all parties.

Truly you can be in love with a women and still fvck many others.

So endeth my AFC confession.
 

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that's what i think too...real love isn't about owning someone...you can still love someone and bang others with no emotions or attachments involved...
 

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Zarky said:
sex with women who aren't as hot as the women I could be having sex with for free.[/B]

That is all.
WRONG, even the women you sex for free are 5s and 4s remember?

disgusting people like you are sh!tting on this planet ,bitter fat ugly lesbians

anyone who attends a swinging party and joyfully watches his girlfriend/wife being buttfuvcked by a total stranger must be really fvcked in the brain department. :box:
 

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Fruitbat said:
Well, the pain of seeing another dude fvck my girl > the pleasure of seeing 2 girls fvck me. Can't see the biological or evolutionary sexual interest in allowing another man to cukcold you, but horses for courses I guess. Something rather ghey about it if you ask me.

I should mention that I am a ***** hobbyist and I have screwed 2 *****s many, many times in every concievable way, so this would be nothing new to me.

In fact I was doing so when we were together.
Agreed.


My ex found some 2 guy - 1 girl porn in my stash once and said she was into it and would like to try it.

I never asked her for 2 girls as I thought it was disrespectful
She said she wanted to try two guys on her. But you thought it would be disrespectful to ask her about two girls.....


That's what I was wondering about. I think having a threesome with another girl is a lot more acceptable than the other way around.
 

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plate's_empty said:
Agreed.




She said she wanted to try two guys on her. But you thought it would be disrespectful to ask her about two girls.....


That's what I was wondering about. I think having a threesome with another girl is a lot more acceptable than the other way around.
For sure PE, for sure. It just is. What I mean is I wouldn't have asked her as it's a bit much to ask a LTR "Hey can we get another chick in? Perhaps your friend Claire or your sister perhaps?!!" I wouldn't ask her because I know how disrespectful it would be if she said "Can you get your mate Dave to fvck me too next time we are in bed as you aren't quite enough for me fruitbat!"

That's part of why I went off her, she sniffed out something from my stash and used it as a way to ask for it.....or maybe she was just hopeful. I don't judge her, at the end of the day I like having 2 women, can't blame her for wanting 2 d1cks I guess. It was the fact she asked.

I couldn't ask her for 2 girls, because she would have obviously said "OK, 2 girls for you, 2 guys for me!"

I don't see, how after doing the 2 guys for her, I could ever think of her in the same light. I would have to make sure the guy had a much smaller d1ck than me too, quite happy with what I have (and so are all the women I have fvcked) so not really that insecure, but if the dude had 10 inches then that just wouldn't be much fun, being the warm up for the main course! loool

I guess she would have made sure if we had another girl in she would be fatter or uglier I guess, no one wants to be the least hot member of a 2 person team!
 

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Bokanovsky said:
Considering that the women you are having sex with for free are, by your own description, 4's and 5's, it truly puts the the swinging scene in perspective :eek: Can't say I'm surprised though. Good-looking women can have sex with as many men as they want without going to swingers' parties.
Hell, ugly looking and fat women can have sex at the drop of a hat! All they have to do is spread. If a man spreads like this, he's getting locked up quickly.
 

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something about swinging is disgusting and i am a very open minded person in general...the people who do it just seem to be really messed up in the head...i would rather bang prostitutes if i had no other way of getting sex...
 
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