My buddy claims he's gotten out of the "friend zone" 10 times

[ketostix]

What's the difference between the friend zone and the true friend zone?

I'm just saying

The difference is in a true friends zone situation you made your attempt to escalate things and she rebuffed it and you stuck around her to be firends and long enough for her to have solidified her placement of you in the firend zone. On the other hand, being friends with a girl either means you have her in your friend zone that she may be trying to get out of, or you have no plans or desire to be more than friends with her regardless. That's the difference.

 

[edger]

It is not hard to pull tail as there are a LOT of women out there that has no issues opening their legs for any man.

Yeah those are the ugly ones. Most hot women on the other hand won't spread their legs for anyone.

 

[edger]

Yes indeed, ten conversions are outside credibility. Does this guy tend to have a poor memory, a tenuous relationship with his own history, or a serious drinking problem which frequently triggers some serious boasting about 2am ?
:moon:

Yes, he had been drinking the night he told me. Whether or not he was drunk, I don't know. I will ask him this week again though, and will report back on it.

But look at Senor Fingers post. He's made the same claim. And I don't see any reason why not to believe him(Senor Fingers).

 

[edger]

Don't you live in Spain?

Completely different culture and society.

Come on man. You know, the more you post, the more it's evident that you're not a DJ. I've been meaning to call you out on this by the way, since you're always bragging about how you're a "DJ". If you say you've pulled a lot of tail, then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you sure didn't do it as a result of being a "DJ/Player". If you were a DJ/Player, you'd know that European women are no different.

I've said this so many times. ALL women are the same. They all think alike and want the same things in men. They want the DJ/Player guy. Being from NY, I've been around and have interacted with so many European chix, that I can tell you with absolute certainty, they're all the same. My ex-girfriend was southwestern European(from the Iberian peninsula) My ex was NO DIFFERENT at all from your typical hot American b*tch. All my ex's friends that I met were the same as well. No different than the American woman. And no, my ex never set foot in the U.S., so you can rule out "America changing her".

This claim that European women are different is one of the biggest fallacies out there about women.

You know what, I should start a thread about this and ask all the European men on here to comment on it.

 

[hithard]

It doesn’t matter what friends zone area you are in. However if you are chasing after a 10 and you are a bit of a scrubber then it will take a massive amount of effort to swing her your way(IMO not worth it at all).I’m talking about getting a lay (ONS)after you have just been LJBF'ed in this and the previous thread. Not about a sudden relationship developing. You can get it to fuk buddy stage hey maybe even a relationship. But if her IL is low at the start a relationship is playing with fire if one does develop. But like I said it depends on your skills to use her emotions. All in all it’s easier to just get a woman that wants you. But if you find yourself in the LJBF situation, then yes you can turn it around. Personality, Looks, time invested etc all play a part as well.

Like I said it was a fair while since this happened but it would still hold today.

 

[Señor Fingers]

Don't you live in Spain?

Completely different culture and society.

The line between friendships and those elusive benefits is indeed a bit thinner here in Spain.

Having said that, I am originally from New York City, where I have lived most of my life. My first steady girlfriend started out as one of my best friends. She was actually engaged when we met and over time ended up confessing her true feelings. This is not because of any DJing on my part, in fact I NEVER directly hit on her, which I have found is key. We used to flirt, but it was harmless as I really wasn't putting my energy out there like that.

What's the difference between the friend zone and the true friend zone?

I think there are varying degrees of a platonic situation:

1st Degree Friend
She is attracted to you, but either attached or recently burned and totally avoiding any romantic entanglements.

2nd Degree Friend
You are not her physical type, but she becomes very attached to your persona over time. You make her feel like no one else can.

3rd Degree Friend
You are an emotional tampon that she does not see in a sexual way (cause you act like her girlfriend)

4th Degree Friend
You came out your face and confessed your feelings (violating the Golden Rule) Sadly there is little to no chance for recovery here.

If I was pressed to count, I have hooked up with at about a dozen "friends", forming solid relationships with 4 of them. In all these experiences I was only 3rd degree once (I got bumped up later on when my game improved and a certain "pal" got jealous). The rest of the time I was completely oblivious to their attraction because I was juggling something else (truly crucial)

The secret is to not focus your efforts on HB Friend. Once obsession sets in you have already lost!

It's really a matter of covering a few rudimentary bases

• Being your natural, charming self
• Making them open, and comfortable enough to be themselves
• Not being readily available, letting them miss you (no 2-hour phone convos!)
• Having options on your plate

It's also worth noting that usually I make the pre-emptive strike of LJBFing them first. Which is why I never got shoved into the no-mans land of the 4th degree to begin with.

 

[Jitterbug]

Thanks for the posts and the other extensive thread you wrote on this, Senor Fingers. I just got LJBFed and while in the past I just brushed it off and moved on, this time I'm gonna give your method a try. It'll be fun! I happened to read this thread and your posts just before I got the LJBF (doh!) and it's really weird but I received that message with huge excitement. It's like a big opportunity to give a new skill a try (I'm also spinning other plates so it's no big deal if it doesn't work out). I think I'm either 1st Degree or 2nd Degree, leaning towards 1st. Will keep this updated.

 

[Knight's Cross]

I think your friend's understanding of the friend zone and the SS definition are different. If HE LJBF'd them to the Friend zone, then it's entirely possible. If they LJBF'd him, then he's full of s#it.
I have gamed plenty of women back when I put them in the LJBF column. I haven't tried gaming one that put me in the LJBF stack. It's never worth it.

KC

 

[My Name is Nobody]

The will tell you this; the last time I got LJBF, I got to hit it... but only once because I didn't bang her good enough.

 

[Metro3pilot]

I have gotten out of the friend zone @ least 3 times

one thing I can say for sure :

out of the 3 times I did it, the booty was not worth the headache.

Reality Check :

if she wanted you my brother, you would not be in the friend zone.

I got to hit it... but only once because I didn't bang her good enough.

Don't feel like the lone ranger ...my last LJBF I 3 pump chumped her 3 x and that was the end, but who cares I got off !



:rockon:

 

[My Name is Nobody]

I have gotten out of the friend zone @ least 3 times

one thing I can say for sure :

out of the 3 times I did it, the booty was not worth the headache.

Reality Check :

if she wanted you my brother, you would not be in the friend zone.



Don't feel like the lone ranger ...my last LJBF I 3 pump chumped her 3 x and that was the end, but who cares I got off !



:rockon:

Don't you hate it when you think the p/ssy will solve all your problems, and then you go down on her and she smells like a rotten taco?

that's what I call the "booty not worth the headache"!

 

[RAFCToMackStatus]

Your buddy had 10 FEMALE friends. That alone tells me that he is full of sh_it.

My thoughts exactly. The average man doesn't keep that many female friends. So why would a DJ?

 

[edger]

UPDATE: I hung out with my bud Wed. night. I asked him if he was drunk when he told me that. He said "no", he really HAS managed to get out of the friend zone 10 times. His response to me was, if you don't give up on getting out of the friends zone, you can do it. He claims the reason most guys never get out of it, is because they give up too easily.

 

[Tazman]

From what I've seen, this only happens when you are more of a last resort option. If you rely on this method it quickly becomes a huge waste of time. You will get used for attention many times more than you'll get laid. I'm all for gettin some ass but who wants to get it by default? With this approach you'll always be in a weak position.

 

[ketostix]

UPDATE: I hung out with my bud Wed. night. I asked him if he was drunk when he told me that. He said "no", he really HAS managed to get out of the friend zone 10 times. His response to me was, if you don't give up on getting out of the friends zone, you can do it. He claims the reason most guys never get out of it, is because they give up too easily.

This is just more proof that guy doesn't know what he's talking about. If you are really in the friend zone, the more and longer you try to get out the deeper in the friend zone you get.

 

[Colossus]

I'm inclined to agree with Fingz here.

There could be a hundred different reasons why you landed in the friend-zone. The key is not to take it too personally. It does happen, and I think women tend to use it as a safety mechanism.

Allow me to explain: If she is attracted to you from the get-go, the friend zone could be her way of procrastinating or diverting away from an intimate relationship with you. She may be attached to someone else, recently broken up, scared to commit or fall too hard, etc. A lot of women fall HARD after sex is in the picture, so they develop safety mechanisms.

If she is not clearly attracted to you from the get-go, then it may be sort of a 'cushion-landing' to avoid hurting your feelings. She might see a cool guy who is simply unattractive to her, so she keeps him in the friend zone, gains some male attention, and avoids telling him the truth. Happens everyday.

I think the caveat here is that if you are an attractive guy you can almost ALWAYS get out of the friend zone. Of course you still need to spin plates, be natural, non-judgmental, and generally occupied with other stuff; but it is doable.

 

[Latinoman]

Yeah those are the ugly ones. Most hot women on the other hand won't spread their legs for anyone.

Spreading legs has nothing to do with "hotness". It has to do with self-respect or lack-of-respect issues.

Plenty of hot women that are into drugs or alcohol or had issues or simply are sluts.

Of course...it is obvious you have problems getting laid.

 

[Latinoman]

Come on man. You know, the more you post, the more it's evident that you're not a DJ. I've been meaning to call you out on this by the way, since you're always bragging about how you're a "DJ". If you say you've pulled a lot of tail, then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you sure didn't do it as a result of being a "DJ/Player". If you were a DJ/Player, you'd know that European women are no different.

I've said this so many times. ALL women are the same. They all think alike and want the same things in men. They want the DJ/Player guy. Being from NY, I've been around and have interacted with so many European chix, that I can tell you with absolute certainty, they're all the same. My ex-girfriend was southwestern European(from the Iberian peninsula) My ex was NO DIFFERENT at all from your typical hot American b*tch. All my ex's friends that I met were the same as well. No different than the American woman. And no, my ex never set foot in the U.S., so you can rule out "America changing her".

This claim that European women are different is one of the biggest fallacies out there about women.

You know what, I should start a thread about this and ask all the European men on here to comment on it.

Edger...go get laid or move out of your parents house. Get a haircut while you are at it.

 

[Latinoman]

Thanks for the posts and the other extensive thread you wrote on this, Senor Fingers. I just got LJBFed and while in the past I just brushed it off and moved on, this time I'm gonna give your method a try. It'll be fun! I happened to read this thread and your posts just before I got the LJBF (doh!) and it's really weird but I received that message with huge excitement. It's like a big opportunity to give a new skill a try (I'm also spinning other plates so it's no big deal if it doesn't work out). I think I'm either 1st Degree or 2nd Degree, leaning towards 1st. Will keep this updated.

And before you waste your time on that ONE woman...make sure you do a quick search on the term: Oneitis.

 

[Latinoman]

This is just more proof that guy doesn't know what he's talking about. If you are really in the friend zone, the more and longer you try to get out the deeper in the friend zone you get.

Exactly.

And the fact that edger is even wasting his time giving him the benefit of the doubt is also an indication he does not either.