"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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My biggest problem

Nobeard

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I went to lovevolution this weekend in San Francisco and it was crazy. For those of you who have never been its definitely a must. However, it made me finally realize where my game is hurting the most. It was an epiphany that came to me after a couple of days after the event.

I have trouble relating to women. I got a lot in common with guys. I like working out, I like getting intoxicated, I like checking out chicks asses, and im really big on video games. The girls that i want to go after and i dont seem to connect. The only thing we have in common is sex.

This is what i figured out this weekend. Every girl that i went into and started talking to i got rejected. Almost all the girls i just went up with and danced with no talking took me so much further. I actually made out with 5 different girls and fingered one when i didn't open my mouth. (and no my breath didn't stink i checked)

Not trying to brag, but i have always been told i had attractive qualities. I look good and keep up my hygeine. I speak well (grammatically with no stutter), when im not too drunk or high. All my successes with women can be pointed at that however. Which is sad.

An example of my blundering Conversational Skills =D: (If i don't look for some humor it would be a lot harder to deal with)

My buddy had started talking to these girls, and he motions me over. So i go over and he is talking to one of the girls and i start talking to the other one. This is as exact as i can get it because i was semi-drunk at the time.

Me: hi whats your name
Girl: (I don't remember)
Me: oh thats a cool name. are you and your friend from around here.
Girl: Yeah we both go to berkely
(Me running out of things to talk about, now that i think about it i should have brought up a school rivalry of berkely or somthing)
Me: So what does your shirt say
Girl: Oh its in Jewish
Me: Well what does it say?
Girl: Well i went to a jewish summer camp and it means blah blah blah, which represents the age groups of the different summer groups.
Me: Thats cool....

This is where things became awkward and my buddy jumped back into the conversation, asking what her shirt meant >.<, he was able to flip it though he is a lot better at talking to girls than i am....

I haven't had very many women friends in my life. Almost all of them have been guys over the years, this is mostly due to when i had a much more severe case of talking to girls. Its still there now just a lot smaller. I have no sisters or girl cousins growing up. I have a pretty good relationship with my mother, but that didn't probably help much. In fact the only girl i really spent any time with was my high school girlfriend and our relationship was mostly physical with her believing she was in love with me.

I am tired of this... I feel like i could be doing so much better... I realize that you guys may not know of a way to help, but at least identifying the problem for myself could assist me. Maybe i need to memorize scripts? I have been doing everything freestyle so far and it hasn't helped...

It is also highly possible that I am capable of noticing more about girls than i realize, but my shyness takes over without me realizing it. I usually feel very confident though until i realize that i don't have **** to talk to them about. Then all my shyness and insecurities bubble and i can't even successfully do the one thing im good at with girls which is being physical...

Sorry if this post seems long or a rant. I just want this fixed now(even though this may not be possible). Its gone on for too long. However, i have to give myself some credit it has gotten a lot better over the last two years. Im just reluctant to wait another two years to develop past this.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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kingy

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actually being into guy things is cool and you should definitly keep them up.

your cold approach conversation sucks so you need to learn some attractive sound bites to jazz them up a bit. say things that amuse yourself, cos at the moment you are taking value with the resume style questions rather than offering fun to the girl.
 

Nobeard

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Well how do i learn to offer fun to a girl? Reading posts or the DJ bible doesnt seem to help this particular problem (although the bible has helped me greatly). It would also appear that i cant keep a conversation going long enough to practice with a girl very often. I also hate to say it, but nothing about the situation amused me. We were standing in line waiting to get in and besides being a cute girl she wasn't really amusing....
 

kingy

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buy some ebooks, find resources or i hate to say it learn a magic trick or game to get things going.

self amusement is a state which needs to be practiced, i usually say shocking sexual things because i get bored very easily and that keeps me entertained which in turn is funny, attractive and setting sexual vibe.

re ask a question to the board, what things can i say in set to amp attraction or laughter spikes.

good luck
 
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