Moving to Another Country....Where Should I Go?

[evesman]

In 5-7 years, Straightup will move to country x and report back: women in country x are.....'attention hors!'

 

[STR8UP]

The question is. Why is a womans outright expectation that you provide for her and her future family, which has been a traditional role for a man since we were living in caves, all of a sudden a quality we despise?

Their views are not ****ed up or warped. Ours are.

Western women demand independence when and where it is convenient for them, and then demand security, protection, and provisioning when they need it.

This has lead to a bunch of fukked up, confused men.

Me? I don't want a breadwinner chick. I want a feminine woman who compliments and supports me in my manly ambitions.

Guys see women earning money, and they become indignant when these women STILL expect traditional, provider type behavior from a man.

While there is merit to this line of thinking, any man who is able to see through the contradictions realizes that women are simply doing this because they are utterly fukking CLUELESS. No matter what, at the end of the day, they still want a MAN who will lead. A man who will rule the household. A man who provides a stable life for her and her children.

Feminism has fukked this culture to the point where it will take years to recover Guys can b!tch and moan about how women want this and that, but they are simply being women.

The laugh is on us. Women can say one thing and do another, but as soon as you realize that women will behave as women do regardless of current societal trends, you can turn the joke right around and then the laugh is on them. PUA's have known this for years.

 

[TheHumanist]

I'm at Vietnam right now. I have much to say in relation to you and the most recent writings, directly and indirectly. However, I don't have the time right now as it will take forever to put my mind into works. So I'll put my two cents about what I think about my home country.


You, living as an expat here, will probably do very well. I have to disagree very highly with Collossus that living in Vietnam is a negative and a no-brainer. Part of me find it offensive that coming to Vietnam is that unacceptable, but that's just my irrational, nationalistic side of me.

As with much as the world, the people (high degree in the south, lesser in the north) with esteem. Basically, people will be very friendly to you with alot of hello's and invitations to drinks. You can figure it out if they like you because you are unique like that or "hey! I got a white guy for drinks!" My young optimism hopes that it is because the fact you are easy to notice and obviously unique in a sea of Asians is the reason that they are open to you. You can decide, I'm still trying to figure that out myself. If you come here, I imagine that you would enjoy your time here, eating food, probably teaching english, riding a motorbike and everything.

Since visiting here, I started reading alot of blogs about Vietnam in my desire to understand the upcoming changes, different experiences, and corroboration between my own and their experiences. Here's a link to a blog and inside a list of other bloggers related.

That's said, the quality of life here isn't terrible. There's areas that are poor as you imagine, but there's plenty they are very nice as well. I would recommend Vung Tau as the as it is the most modernized I seen so far, cooler due to the sea (nice beaches too btw), and not too far from Saigon. The bloggers repeatedly noted how much Vietnam have changed in only a few years. Originally, I consider Vietnam as a whole could industrilized by 2020. Everywhere I go, I see construction of new buildings/towers, roads widen, bridges in construction, and etc. However, there's still so much infrastructure issues and with corruption in the government slowing everything down. I have to admit to myself that it will take more time unless the government can overcome it's problems so it can modernize faster. However, I'm still betting Saigon itself, can modernize by 2020. By the time you come here, I would expect to be similar to Thailand: things are still alot cheaper (and especially with the exchange rate), and yet, western conveniences that gives a good standard of living (quality of life is separate, I agree with Harry to recognize there's a possible difference) will be here (baring worldwide depression or rock from space or something). For your own life, I think you'll have a good standard of living anyways, if you come now, or 5-7 years from now as you can afford to.


As my own opinion of the moving or which country to move it. I can't really give real advice on that. I just want to put my own two cents about Vietnam and counter that the image Vietnam is a hole still years away from catching up. Whatever he sound leave or not is a different question that I'm don't know the answer for myself.


I do know that I hope that I don't have to move to Vietnam for the reason of a desire to find better women. I can't help my notice the irony of how my parents risked a 50/50 chance to survive in a rickety boat fleeing from Vietnam for a better life and taking the advice and go back. If I come here for business reasons or something else is one thing, but something bothers me about just packing up even if/when I make a financial empire large enough to retire in the land of my choice.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Western women demand independence when and where it is convenient for them, and then demand security, protection, and provisioning when they need it.

This has lead to a bunch of fukked up, confused men.

Me? I don't want a breadwinner chick. I want a feminine woman who compliments and supports me in my manly ambitions.

Guys see women earning money, and they become indignant when these women STILL expect traditional, provider type behavior from a man.

While there is merit to this line of thinking, any man who is able to see through the contradictions realizes that women are simply doing this because they are utterly fukking CLUELESS. No matter what, at the end of the day, they still want a MAN who will lead. A man who will rule the household. A man who provides a stable life for her and her children.

Feminism has fukked this culture to the point where it will take years to recover Guys can b!tch and moan about how women want this and that, but they are simply being women.

The laugh is on us. Women can say one thing and do another, but as soon as you realize that women will behave as women do regardless of current societal trends, you can turn the joke right around and then the laugh is on them. PUA's have known this for years.

What I find so absurd though is that you have men screaming from the rooftops that they want to date traditional women, who embody traditional values, yet they want her to pay half for everything and **** on the second date. Half the tossers looking for wives in the Ukraine and Russia are dumbstruck by how materialistic the women can be. These are women who despite sometimes having PhD's in the sciences would rather stay at home to raise kids and blow you when you she has not seen you for a few days. They value that as a woman more than they value their career. THEY ARE TRADITIONAL.

Women earn as much as men do these days and I can understand why men feel that they should pay their way. I agree with that to a certain extent and dont think you should blow your money on every bird you are trying to rail. What I dont agree with is that we want the best of what feminism has to offer (easy sex, half the tab always paid) but we dont want the attitude and sense of entitlement that comes with it. You cant have the best of both worlds here.

Women are as guilty as men and I am not going to blame men alone. I just think its absolute bull**** for men to expect "independent go getting" women to be the traditional women they are looking for when they are not prepared to be traditional men themselves. Traditional men provide for their families and their wives dont work unless they really had to.

The reason why the west has the divorce rate it does is because there is a blur in gender roles. That starts not with marriage, not with dating, but with peoples expectations of their partners. I dont think that western women ask for provisioning and security, I think they demand and expect it because it is hard wired. We are telling women that they are weak to expect provisioning and financial security from men though.The result of that? A modern "you go girl" ***** saying one thing and doing the other because she is at constant war with her own instincts and impulses.

Which is why Russian and a lot of Eastern European women dont beat around the bush when it comes to your ability to provide. Most traditional women expect you to be a man of character capable of supporting her and supporting your family. When you think about it, what type of men where our grandfathers trying to raise? Men of character and means, or PUA's like that nitwit Mystery?

@The Humanist

Im rarely surprised when people make anything outside what we typically consider a first world country, sound like a no go zone. Its normally based out of nothing but ignorance. Vietnam is on my to do list, even though I have little interest in Asia. Although, northern rural Japan is calling for some reason? I dont know what it is, but from time to time I get this itch that I need to see a place. It could have been a post card or a documentary I saw on TV and it starts to gnaw at me.

I have a cousin who backpacked from Norway right through Europe, through Africa all the way down to South Africa. It took him two and half years. The guy was a practicing lawyer who quit his job on impulse. Just got up and walked out the office. He saw and did more in two years than most people will in their entire lifetime. Since then, he has seen most of the world and has settled down in Prague where he teaches English, chases the local women and writes in his spare time.

He could have always been the practicing lawyer though, working 70 hour weeks to pay off the 5 bedroom home with a nice view. Most of the family thinks he threw his life away with he choices he made. I think he would have thrown his life away if he never left.

 

[iqqi]

New Post New Post!!!! ^^^

 

[combustiont]

Sweden, France, or even relatively close - Quebec.

 

[fertileTurtle]

Denver.

"hey! I got a white guy for drinks!"

Or Vietnam, maybe. LOL

 

[fertileTurtle]

New Post New Post!!!! ^^^

Because he wrote "backpacked"? LOL

 

[mpimpin]

Just read a Business Week article about Panama being a great spot for retired folks due to low cost of living and beautiful scenery. Negatives are the very long lines in public hospitals, DMV's etc.

I'd like to eventually move to another country that has great beaches, but low costs and my dollar can be stretched a good bit

 

[edger]

I have been exposed to a fair amount of first generation Russian women in the last five years within the dancing community

Yeah most strippers in the U.S. are Russian. These women totally dominate the stripping community. They give killer lap dances though, I must say.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

They are just happy that stripping does not = whoring like it does back in their own country

99% of strip clubs in Russia are also ***** houses. If she was stripping in Russia, she was whoring too As much as you are enjoying that lapdance, she enjoys making a small fortune without having to blow anyone either.

Everyone wins!

 

[MaddXMan]

Moving to another country just for women?!?!? Christ it's not that fvcking serious.

 

[edger]

They are just happy that stripping does not = whoring like it does back in their own country

As much as you are enjoying that lapdance, she enjoys making a small fortune without having to blow anyone either.

Now I get why so many of these Russian dancers grab your d*ck during lap dances. I guess they are so used to wh*ring back in Russia that they tend to forget where they are and tend to forget that they're not prostitutes anymore. I've even had one pull my d*ck out and start jerking me. She was hot.

I had one hot Russian stroke me with her hand through my pants(till I splurged) last week during a dance. Wow, it was great. Got like 5 dances from her(and lets not forget, a handjob through the pants), but she only charged me for 2 dances. Maybe she liked me, who the f*ck knows.

Lots of these Russians in the U.S. are escorts too by the way, figured I'd mention that as well. Not that you'd be surprised.

 

[cedd]

As Im European and have travelled all around the continent so I can talk of what I really well know.

Eastern countries are good for tourism or making business but living there is quite different than spending 2 weeks visiting those nice and old cities like Prague, Budapest, Warsaw etc...YES this is nice and the food is really good but this is not enough if youre used to have a really good standard of living.
Lots of unemployement (much since the crisis).
women are hot, but there is hot women everywhere, isnt it ?

And moving abroad just for women is stupid. Youre mature and almost 40 yo. Teenagehood is over !! Grow up!

I would recommend nordic countries (from The Netherland to Norway) if cold weather is not a problem for you. The living standards are really high and mentalities are ones of the best I have ever known. Open minded. Simple. Nice people.
There is good food there too (as everywhere in Europe except England) and for your consideration, women are hot too and sexually speaking, really open minded ;-)
English language is not a problem as almost everyone speaks english.
My choice : Sweden.

France ?
I'm french. France would be the best place on earth without the french people, wouldn't it ? I love my country.

Italy ?
Quite the same as France but far worst.

German countries (germany, Switzerland, Austria) ?
Berlin is one of my favorite city. Not expensive. High standards. Hot women. Great food. What Else ? Spichst Du Deutsch ?

What i dont understand is that your country (USA) is so huge and wide. You have almost every style of people there. You have almost every way of life there. Why not just move to another state?

Montreal and Quebec would be a great mix of european culture and US way of life. Some hours from home but Cold wheater though...

You have to decide if you want to move for a bachelor-style way of life or use your DJ skills for finding a great girl and maybe raise a family ?

cheers

 

[C-quenced]

And moving abroad just for women is stupid. Youre mature and almost 40 yo. Teenagehood is over !! Grow up!


I agree that moving abroad for women is stupid. However I have to totally disagree with the "grow up" comment. Normally this is said by those who feel threatened by the lifestyle someone else chooses to live. I know that if I make it to be 40 years old I'll still be wanting to bang hot 18 year olds and society would look down on me for it. Fact of the matter is I don't care. As long as it's not harming anyone let others live life the way they choose to.

 

[STR8UP]

Three of the last four comments made reference to me leaving the country specifically for women. You might want to brush up on reading comprehension people.

And you know what? Who gives a rats ass anyway? Women and manginas do, that's who. Take your shaming elsewhere.

Unions and such have priced American workers out of the market, so companies go overseas. They have to in order to make a profit.

Likewise, American women have priced themselves out of the market. They are unfeminine, overweight, and have an entitlement complex just because they can get pumped and dumped a couple of times a month. I got news for you sweetie....you are a cvm dumpster, nothing more. Only a lesser man will settle for your fat, manly ass.

Why would a man want to leave the US where he can live like a king on a paltry wage, explore exotic lands, and experience women who appreciate men and masculinity? Who would want THAT? You gotta be a loser to even consider something of the sort!

Wake up people.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

cedd, here we go again.

If you have money, and by that I mean passive income or a massive savings account generating enough interest, and I will put this is caps for you and all those on the board who keep repeating the same nonsense...

THE LOCAL STANDARD OF LIVING HAS NO IMPACT ON YOU IF YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WORK. YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND STANDARD OF LIVING WILL BE HIGHER

You are not going there to work. You dont have to earn their wages. Your dollar buys you 10 times more. People just dont get it. Someone like Str8up could probably pull this off easily because he is a lot more self sufficient. I think any business owner will be. Those that think to themselves "how am I going to get a job there" miss the fvcking point completely.

Sweden? You recommend Sweden? Scandanavians are some of the most highly taxed people in the world and Sweden, Norway and Finland are fvcking expensive. How do you pull a Hugh Heffner in Sweden unless you earn Hugh Heffner type money? You cant, but you can do it at a fraction of the price in South America or Eastern Europe. And certainly parts of Asia

No one moves abroad for the women alone. There are enough reasons to move abroad, women being one of them. There is a whole world out there fellas and just because you dont get free healthcare does not mean that they are bad places to stay. The idea is to RETIRE somewhere nice, not move their and further your career FFS

 

[Aiken_Drum]

Buenos Aires, Argentina

Hi guys, I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina and I think it's a nice place to leave... if you have a passive income, that is!

I personally wanna move out to Australia when I get my degree (around 3 & half years from now). Let me list the good & bad:

POSITIVE:

- If you have a stream of passive income, you can live quite well. For example, I met a guy from england who was earning around 5.000 euros passive... he was living like a fcking king with 2500 (and I mean ****ING KING) and saving the rest. Things are getting expensier even as we speak, but still, with U$S 1500 you can leave MUCH better than in the US.

- The night life is very good, we have all kinds of clubs, opened until very late in the evening.

- Natural beauties just U$S 150 away in a plane... the south, the west, the north west, the north east, just check it out: http://www.turismo.gov.ar/eng/menu.htm

- The women are a good mix from everywhere around the world, specially Spain, Italy, some from eastern Europe, makes quite a good mix. I wouldn't dare going as far as saying "most beautiful in the world", that's bulls***, but I think we have a nice level. Most of them are intrigued by foreigners, so that's a plus.

- Most people who you'll probably meet (that is, in trendy clubs, to rent your apartment, in a hospital, in case you need it, let's hope not) speak english fairly well. I'm not saying cab & bus drivers, but you can get around with 3+ months of language training.

- Did I mention your dollars are worth a lot here ?

- The local cuisine is a very interesting mix from all the cultures that created this country. Ah, and if you like meat, we have the greatest asado in the world (asado is SIMILAR to barbaque, difference being we do it with wood, not gas as you do... ****, nice way to kill the taste :nono: !!!). Also, you have international restaurants from all over the world; you can eat anytime you want sushi, thai, greek... anything you want.

- There are some very interesting places to visit as a foreigner, the city is very interesting (not to me, I've been here all my life & I'm used to it). But places like Palermo's lakes (lagos de Palermo) are incredible!

THE BAD:

Well, where should I start? I'm afraid we have some important problems that must be balanced when making the decision to come here.

- Corruption. It should not affect you as a foreigner, unless you want to establish a business. To me, being a local, sickens me so bad. To think that paying taxes is stupid because you know our *****ing politicians are going to steal it anyway... if you want to do something good, you better donate it to Caritas or an organization like that... it's a big con if you want to do biz here. Why? Let's say you want to import something to Argentina. Everything will run more smoothly if you throw in a few dollars here & there. Most business man don't get surprised when asked for a bribe in some business lines.

- The total disregards of most Argentinians for keeping our city clean & respecting others in general. Well, I'm not saying you walk around the city stepping at garbage at every turn. But... a lot of people end up their cigarettes & throw the box at the street, even if they have a garbage bin 20 mts away. Almost everyone with a dog leaves the dog's sh!t on the floor :trouble: .
Also, about the disrespect for others... most people are unnecessarily aggressive when driving here. We have the sad honor of being one of the countries with the highest death toll for driving accidents.

- The country is currently (and that doesn't seem to be changing to me, even in the long run) experiencing a total sense in distrust in the government. This has been going on for many years, and I mentioned it above. It just sucks not having the feeling that the state is watching over you like a loving parent, and instead, you must watch be with your guard up... This will give you an idea of what Argentina is made of, politically. DON'T come here without checking this out first. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corralito . Basically, the government decided the argentinian peso was not worth 1 dollar from one moment to the other, and most people here lost 2/3 of the money they had in the bank.

- Violence. It's not so bad as brazil's Rio do Janeiro, but lately it's been getting worse. It's not like you are gonna be kidnapped the second you leave our airport. Myself, for example, I'm cool when walking down the streets at night... I'm just careful of not going through places too quiet, bad neighborhoods... etc.

So my point is, if you take this country like a place to leave at for a couple of years, is great. As for living in it for a LONG time, I wouldn't recommend it... I'm going to leave it myself.

 

[Jamo]

Mate, ALL women are materialistic. Russian women just dont lie about it. They are without a doubt the most feminine women I have ever come across and the most traditional. As a man, you either provide for her and her family or you are a loser. End of story. No debate. She is not going to bullsh1t you and tell you that she will stay faithful to you if you cant provide her with some kind of lifestyle. Its why I cant help but laugh when you come across people who say that Russian women are not the gold digging wh0res that American women are. They are, but they are honest about it. They like their men to be men and they make no apologies for it.

Blunt to the point of rudeness is the best way to describe them. Its a good quality as much as it is a bad one. No one sh1t tests you like a Russian. The men are always going to see what they can get away with and the women are always sh1t testing you. If you cannot handle an American woman, you are not going to be able to handle a Russian one.

Saying that, as long as you provide and as long as you are not a doormat, I cannot think of women who make better wives and mothers. If you are weak and if you are cheap/broke you dont really stand a chance with the good looking ones I am afraid.

I have been to a few of the places you have listed St8up, so will give you my views on them.

Russia


Women are incredible. Hot women everywhere and in such large numbers your own standards become ridiculous after a while. The women are not just hot though. Intelligent and have many interests outside the usual shopping, ****ing and drinking western women consider part of a healthy social life. They are blunt though and very competitive, which means that they tend to come with drama sometimes. Many turn a blind eye to you having a mistress or two if you can afford it, but thats the case thoughout most of Eastern Europe. Its such a diverse country and there is so much to see and do you cant ever be bored. If you like history and art, Russia is a great location.

The weather is terrible though. Im an outdoors kinda guy and I could not tolerate the weather. In St Petersburg, your facial hair freezes. Its also expensive compared to most of Europe and your cost of living is sky high.A decent standard of living will be higher than in the USA by a fair margin. You need about $5000-$6000 a month to get by comfortably, and about $10 000 per month to be considered upper middle class. Make no mistake, as poor as most Russians are, there is a lot of money there and the Russians have a thing for opulence.

You will need to learn to speak russian. English is growing, but unless you can speak it you are going to struggle. The biggest problem you will have is culture shock. Living in Russia is like living in the twilight zone. I loved it and I detested it at the same time. I could not go back there for anything but a holiday. Its a violent, corrupt place with so many social issues. I would use the word "God Forsaken", but having been born and raised in Africa, I reserve that statement for that sh1t hole alone.

If you must live in Russia, look at the areas 30kms-40km outside Moscow.

Hooligan is spot on about Russia. I was living in Moscow from 2004 until this February and had to leave (very unwillingly) because of this ass of a crash. Very expensive place, completely over the top, and the women are by in large from hot to smoking hot and very honest about the man-woman relationship.

As to living in Russia, I do not recommend the outlying cities in the Moscow region. Those areas are infested with drugs and prostitutes. It is unfortunately true that Russia is not very welcoming to foreigners - especially those who do not adapt and learn the language. Best to stick to Moscow (and experience the wild over-the-top Russian style of partying/debauchery with girls on tap) or the more cultural and "European" Saint Petersburg. If those options are too expensive, consider "university" towns such as Novosbirsk, and others in the lake Baikal region out in Siberia.

If you can handle the truth then I recommend it definitely. Of course learning the language is a must (I did).

Since I'm on the subject, currently (very temporarily I hope) in Delhi, India. I would like to say that I do not recommend it at all as a place to live (climate is insufferably hot between May to early October, with major blackouts the rule rather the exception), and certainly not as a place to meet women. The male to female ratio is quite skewed (too many men), and the women by in large (99.5%) are no better looking than the average Mexican woman. The women here (at least in the major cities) are trying to emulate the attitude of American women, and due to the skewed sex ratio they carry an undeserved sense of entitlement. Language is not a problem as English is widely spoken (but honestly who would want to talk to the women here?)

 

[Jamo]

Thanks Jamo, can you tell more about russian women mentalitiy ?
You already provide lot of information but what do I need to know if I want to deal with those women ?
Because the whole thing about "don't gice flower and gifts" at the begining doesn't really apply to them I think it is common that guys give stuffs at the the start of a relationship..and that' s not a bad thing to do

"very honest about the man-woman relationship."

do you mean that they don't play mind game, right ?

I would like to reiterate a point made here earlier, that Western women want to enjoy the "benefits" that come with the role of men without being held accountable for the responsibilities that come with it. In short they want to be independent when convenient and at the same time expect to be able to run into a mans arms and escape the consequences when things go south. Men truly are getting a raw deal. This is totally unacceptable by any standards and has screwed up the male psyche in the Western world (even here in India in the big cities).

Russian women do not think on those lines. They would strongly prefer the man to be financially responsible for the woman (in every stage - from courtship/dating, to the household later(?)), and in turn they are more than happy to accept the traditional role of the woman - that is to stand by the man and ensure his success outside of the house. A male who does not measure up in this regard is not considered a man in Russia. Russians by in large are survivors. They have seen, experienced tremendous societal changes, and went through the resulting hardships in a matter of a decade in contrast to most other countries which have gone through the same process, much more gently, over many many decades or centuries. The result is that they are distant, cool, clinical and reserved (towards outsiders) people by temperament, and as such their women can be rather "uncouth" (by Western standards) in driving this message home.

In terms of the dating game, they expect the man to be the leader in terms of where to go, what to do, and when to do it. They expect and respect a man who makes decisions, and intensely dislike taking on that role. Dating a Russian woman is well worth it, but you should get this 50/50 mentality out of your system (that is if you have it) if you want any measure of success. In terms of material show of affection, they do expect you to be as generous as possible within your means as this is standard practice in Russia. If you come across as miserly you will be on a Russian woman's "****-list" very quickly. Russian men are generally brutal (by Western standards) with their women, and being a Westerner who understands and wants to take on the role of a man is a good balance, which is certainly a welcome breath of fresh air for them.

So no they do not play mind games from that point of view

How long it remains this way is a question, because I dated (seriously unfortunately) at least 1 "bad" egg (wanted to be rather independent but was very Russian in her expectations of men) while there lol.