"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Mother and sister are too clingy and controlling

Epicwinguy

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We are all moving to Colorado soon, and I am planning to move out when we get there (finding rooms for rent. I don't make much.)

My sister has a kid. She was always a major party slut up until she was 26 or 27. Then she had this kid. My mom and step-dad are all about having the family together, and now mom wants to do everything together as a family.

You can all see how this would greatly interfere with my plan (get as high a notch count as possible, have my own hobbies, get fit, etc.) and current goals (drop another 10 pounds of fat, get my bench to 200, develop a big social circle, move up in my career and work on game.)

So how will I get them all to back the **** off with the "Lets do everything together as a family" bs?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Are you a grown man? Your going to have to ruffle some feathers to stand firmly on your own two feet.

Sounds like you are complaining about your family treating you kid and not doing enough to stop it

Complaining without offering a solution is called whining
 

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Are you a grown man? Your going to have to ruffle some feathers to stand firmly on your own two feet.

Sounds like you are complaining about your family treating you kid and not doing enough to stop it

Complaining without offering a solution is called whining
I am moving out. I already have been paying them rent and for some of my own stuff. Refusing them offers of "family time" to go out and do my own thing. Not sure what other solutions there are, thats why I made this thread.
 

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If you'd done more than talk about moving out, you wouldn't have to ask this. Move out.
 

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If you'd done more than talk about moving out, you wouldn't have to ask this. Move out.
If you're saying that once I move out none of this will be an issue, I really hope you're right.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I would move out and wait and see how clingy they try to become. You need to start your life at some pint, and that will include breaking away from being ensconced in your immediate family. At the very least, maybe you could promise them to make it a point to go to sunday dinner.
 

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People don't have any control over you other than what you give them.

We all have a right to live according to our own needs and wants. There is nothing wrong with that. You don't have to plan your life around what your family wants or expects from you. But if you do, don't cry because it was your decision.

If your mother and sister really love you, they will respect the decisions you make as an adult. If they can't respect your adult decisions then they don't respect you. If your family doesn't respect you, then they are probably not looking out for your best interest. So why would you look out for theirs?

Once you are grown, everything is a two way street. There is no "parent/child" relationship between two adults unless the adult child is too weak to grow up.
 

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People don't have any control over you other than what you give them.

We all have a right to live according to our own needs and wants. There is nothing wrong with that. You don't have to plan your life around what your family wants or expects from you. But if you do, don't cry because it was your decision.

If your mother and sister really love you, they will respect the decisions you make as an adult. If they can't respect your adult decisions then they don't respect you. If your family doesn't respect you, then they are probably not looking out for your best interest. So why would you look out for theirs?

Once you are grown, everything is a two way street. There is no "parent/child" relationship between two adults unless the adult child is too weak to grow up.
You are right, man. They don't respect me, the won't, and the want me to sacrifice years of my life for my sister's kid.
They don't deserve what they expect of me.
 

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There are some people (see my mother) who dont have the capacity to see life thru any other eyes than their own. You know what, that's totally okay for them to choose to do. I understand she lacks the capacity to see things from my point of view. This enables me not to play into the drama that ensues when she doesn't get her way. Sometimes I literally say to her "I am sorry you are so hurt. I've explained my reasons for my decision not to X,Y,Z (spend time with you), and clearly these are not personal"

and I leave it at that and treat the next moment with her as if everything was fine. YOU just move on. If they are going to get butt hurt that is on them. If they bring it up again, you revert back to the "I am sorry your feelings got hurt, my decision is not personal" line and leave it at that.
 

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There are some people (see my mother) who dont have the capacity to see life thru any other eyes than their own. You know what, that's totally okay for them to choose to do. I understand she lacks the capacity to see things from my point of view. This enables me not to play into the drama that ensues when she doesn't get her way. Sometimes I literally say to her "I am sorry you are so hurt. I've explained my reasons for my decision not to X,Y,Z (spend time with you), and clearly these are not personal"

and I leave it at that and treat the next moment with her as if everything was fine. YOU just move on. If they are going to get butt hurt that is on them. If they bring it up again, you revert back to the "I am sorry your feelings got hurt, my decision is not personal" line and leave it at that.
This guy has it figured out perfectly:

 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Erm, just do your thing. They try dragging you along? Just decline and go do your thing. They act pissy about you not being there? Just ignore them and do your thing.

They have no actual control over you, they can say whatever and you can rightfully not obey. If they provide something that is of value to you they may withdraw it, but if not you're entirely free to do what you want.
 
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