"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Mother and sister are too clingy and controlling

Epicwinguy

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We are all moving to Colorado soon, and I am planning to move out when we get there (finding rooms for rent. I don't make much.)

My sister has a kid. She was always a major party slut up until she was 26 or 27. Then she had this kid. My mom and step-dad are all about having the family together, and now mom wants to do everything together as a family.

You can all see how this would greatly interfere with my plan (get as high a notch count as possible, have my own hobbies, get fit, etc.) and current goals (drop another 10 pounds of fat, get my bench to 200, develop a big social circle, move up in my career and work on game.)

So how will I get them all to back the **** off with the "Lets do everything together as a family" bs?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Are you a grown man? Your going to have to ruffle some feathers to stand firmly on your own two feet.

Sounds like you are complaining about your family treating you kid and not doing enough to stop it

Complaining without offering a solution is called whining
 

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Are you a grown man? Your going to have to ruffle some feathers to stand firmly on your own two feet.

Sounds like you are complaining about your family treating you kid and not doing enough to stop it

Complaining without offering a solution is called whining
I am moving out. I already have been paying them rent and for some of my own stuff. Refusing them offers of "family time" to go out and do my own thing. Not sure what other solutions there are, thats why I made this thread.
 

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If you'd done more than talk about moving out, you wouldn't have to ask this. Move out.
 

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If you'd done more than talk about moving out, you wouldn't have to ask this. Move out.
If you're saying that once I move out none of this will be an issue, I really hope you're right.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I would move out and wait and see how clingy they try to become. You need to start your life at some pint, and that will include breaking away from being ensconced in your immediate family. At the very least, maybe you could promise them to make it a point to go to sunday dinner.
 

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People don't have any control over you other than what you give them.

We all have a right to live according to our own needs and wants. There is nothing wrong with that. You don't have to plan your life around what your family wants or expects from you. But if you do, don't cry because it was your decision.

If your mother and sister really love you, they will respect the decisions you make as an adult. If they can't respect your adult decisions then they don't respect you. If your family doesn't respect you, then they are probably not looking out for your best interest. So why would you look out for theirs?

Once you are grown, everything is a two way street. There is no "parent/child" relationship between two adults unless the adult child is too weak to grow up.
 

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People don't have any control over you other than what you give them.

We all have a right to live according to our own needs and wants. There is nothing wrong with that. You don't have to plan your life around what your family wants or expects from you. But if you do, don't cry because it was your decision.

If your mother and sister really love you, they will respect the decisions you make as an adult. If they can't respect your adult decisions then they don't respect you. If your family doesn't respect you, then they are probably not looking out for your best interest. So why would you look out for theirs?

Once you are grown, everything is a two way street. There is no "parent/child" relationship between two adults unless the adult child is too weak to grow up.
You are right, man. They don't respect me, the won't, and the want me to sacrifice years of my life for my sister's kid.
They don't deserve what they expect of me.
 

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There are some people (see my mother) who dont have the capacity to see life thru any other eyes than their own. You know what, that's totally okay for them to choose to do. I understand she lacks the capacity to see things from my point of view. This enables me not to play into the drama that ensues when she doesn't get her way. Sometimes I literally say to her "I am sorry you are so hurt. I've explained my reasons for my decision not to X,Y,Z (spend time with you), and clearly these are not personal"

and I leave it at that and treat the next moment with her as if everything was fine. YOU just move on. If they are going to get butt hurt that is on them. If they bring it up again, you revert back to the "I am sorry your feelings got hurt, my decision is not personal" line and leave it at that.
 

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There are some people (see my mother) who dont have the capacity to see life thru any other eyes than their own. You know what, that's totally okay for them to choose to do. I understand she lacks the capacity to see things from my point of view. This enables me not to play into the drama that ensues when she doesn't get her way. Sometimes I literally say to her "I am sorry you are so hurt. I've explained my reasons for my decision not to X,Y,Z (spend time with you), and clearly these are not personal"

and I leave it at that and treat the next moment with her as if everything was fine. YOU just move on. If they are going to get butt hurt that is on them. If they bring it up again, you revert back to the "I am sorry your feelings got hurt, my decision is not personal" line and leave it at that.
This guy has it figured out perfectly:

 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Erm, just do your thing. They try dragging you along? Just decline and go do your thing. They act pissy about you not being there? Just ignore them and do your thing.

They have no actual control over you, they can say whatever and you can rightfully not obey. If they provide something that is of value to you they may withdraw it, but if not you're entirely free to do what you want.
 
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