Most girls aren't into hooking up on the first date.

[Pandora]

Massive fail.

Divorce Rates Are Now Dropping. Here Are Some Reasons Why. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Why the pandemic is causing spikes in break-ups and divorces

Divorce rates are increasing around the world, and relationship experts warn the pandemic-induced break-up curve may not have peaked yet.

www.bbc.com

Not a massive fail. I can send more links if you like.

 

[Vision88]

At some point, you guys are going to start realizing that most reports, most studies, and most things that people are saying are biased and designed to convey a narrative.

There are research studies out there that prove almost any side of many arguments that you could make.

You should stop believing all of these people on the internet because they don't have your best interests in mind... especially if you get your info from YT or news outlets... they make their money selling you information that keeps you tuned in.

Instead, decide what beliefs are most beneficial to you and your life and start designing those beliefs in your mind and screen out all the bs that's trying to convince you of something that doesn't benefit you and your life.

Red pill Youtubers are making their money off of selling you lies to keep you engaged... same with media outlets... same with lots of other people out there.

Think about it. Their goal isn't to provide you with the truth... it's to keep you hooked with shock and outrage.

You guys are posting links to these people's sites and they make money every time you do.

 

[Vision88]

So you believe studies where women are self-reporting as celibate? Come on man. That's basic.

Like I said, I don't believe ANYTHING.

But that's the BEST evidence we have... I certainly am not going to believe you just because you want me to believe what you believe.

I'm sorry if this triggers you (because it clearly does),

Are you being triggered? This is a tactic that debaters use to try to frame someone into something they're not to win the argument when facts aren't on their side.

If you're triggered, that's fine. But I'm not. I just want a rational conversation.

but all women either have are or able capable of banging a guy on the first date.

Of course they're capable of it. But that's a lot different than "all women do this or will do this."

You're just saying made up things because you have a belief about something and you're trying to convince everyone to believe it so that you can feel right.

That's what's happening here.

Just the same as all people bleed red and breath oxygen. Maybe there are some people who don't bleed red and breathe something other than oxygen, but are you honestly going to base your life around looking for that rare person who probably doesn't exist?

That's a COMPLETELY different comparison.

I know women who think that ALL men cheat... do all men cheat? There's no evidence to support that.

There's evidence to support that men cheat more than women... but there's nothing that says that all men cheat.

And that's a correct comparison.

Human's are all born with sexual drivers that are ancient, and sexual forces that are innate in all of us. Attraction isn't a choice and any woman can be seduced rapidly under the right set of circumstances. This doesn't make women filthy Ho's, it just makes women human beings. Women are under a lot of pressure to pretend that they aren't filthy Ho's, because of guys like you who need paternity assurance so you'll invest in them, and therefore women have evolved to be sexually deceptive for evolutionary reasons. In reality, women are opportunistic and will quickly bang a guy they are highly attracted to who games her the right way.

The only part of this that we don't know for sure is the "any woman can be seduce rapidly under the right set of circumstances"... we don't know that for sure. Just like we don't know that all men will cheat given the right circumstances... it's possible but there are a lot of men who have very strong values.

Does that mean that understand the right circumstances they won't break their values? It's possible... but those circumstances aren't likely to happen... just like the circumstances that any woman will allow a man to quickly seduce her is possible but that doesn't mean that she has or will do it in her lifetime... it could be a VERY extreme circumstance.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. You need facts and evidence that support it... making wild claims just makes you look ridiculous.

 

[Pandora]

They all have the potential and all would given the right circumstances and right guy. Most have already, and all will at some point. Slut shaming isn't as potent a deterrent anymore for women, and neither are the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy. It's still in a woman's interests to pretend she is more celibate than she actually is because women innately know that if she's known as a slvt then her value goes down in the eyes of most men (and women). She wants to present herself as a good investment opportunity so she can get provisioning, but she also isn't going to deny herself mating opportunities with high quality men. This is why alpha fux/beta bux is a thing. Alpha fux is like a secret society that women and alphas hide from betas, so that betas will keep striving and investing in the machine.

Yeh man I kinda agree. When i lived in Vegas I hung out with Giga Chads. These guys were male 9/10s. They would smash girls so quickly. They had sexual escapades that were unbelievable. I remember one night they brought home this hot chick and ran a choo choo on her. Some simp probably married her. Its definately a club that most men ( including me) are not a part of.

The very good looking guys are able to get sex very quickly from innocent looking girls. These girls act very differently towards these guys. Its difficult for average men to believe unless they hung around these dudes.

Where I disagree is when you say ALL woman. Yes in theory ALL woman are capable of anything. But in practice some girls have religious indoctrination so deep that they just wont budge for fear of hell. For example there are very religious girls that just will not sleep with you the first night. But they will 100% sleep with you the 2nd night. Or some girls do it up the butt in order to remain a virgin.

 

[BadBoy89]

Just because a guy is attractive and her pvssy does tingle, DOESN'T mean she's going to break her rule for you on the first date.

You're a simp, bro. You think in black and white.

This is part of the reason a lot of guys on this forum are in the situations they're in. They over pursue, come off too thirsty, and have turned the woman off. They come here for advice and they hear "Neeext!".

If you're telling guys they can get laid on the first date with any woman, you are delusional. Flat out delusional.

Whether a woman does or doesn’t sleep with a man on the first date, why are you so emotional about it? Some guys on here lie, some guys tell the truth, just go with the flow.

Frankly when I started treating every woman as a slut, I did much better with women. Not saying that every woman I met was a slut, but when I treated them as one and the results were good. I mean, other than sex, what else is her use to a man?

I would say if a woman was NOT a virgin, she would sleep with a guy on the FIRST date. Not so much because of attraction, but because of USE. Suppose a hot 24 year old went out with a Director and he said ”sleep with me and I’ll make you the biggest movie star in the country, if not the world. Millions of dollars, endorsements, etc. Or you cam refuse to sleep with me on our first date and go back to your 9-5 job.”

You think the woman would have “morals” and say “no thanks, I’m not that type of girl?”

I would doubt it.

 

[Georgepithyou]

You're in a relationship because you're lonely and you require female companionship to "complete" you. You're not taking a risk because you can't exist without a woman's love and affection. It would be far riskier for you to be a single bachelor, because you only have provider game you'd end up having a mental breakdown from continually getting financially abused by women who laugh at you.

Do you not know that humans are social creaturss and we require companionship. It's perfectly normal to want a relationship eapecially those of us with family values.

You and others in this thread live in some Black Pill fantasy land where every woman is an evil sloot with loose morals who is out to get you.

You paint all women with a very broad brush, do you think of your own mother in this way?

 

[Vision88]

The best evidence you have is women "self reporting as celibate".

The best evidence I have is thousands of sexual experience where almost all women are telling me that they "never do this kinda stuff tehehe".

You've had sex with thousands of women who have all told you that they "never do this kind of stuff"?

In how long of a period of time?

I'm not naive enough to believe you on this. I know lots of famous PUAs and very few of them have "thousands" of sexual partners... and the ones who have usually either were in porn or include prostitutes in those numbers.

Now I just don't believe anything you say. My guess is that you've banged a bunch of hookers who told you they "don't normally do this" and now you're bringing your narcissistic nonsense onto a forum to try to convince everyone of your dumb red pill theories.

I also have enough experience to know that inexperienced and virginal women are way easier to seduce than experienced women, because they are naive. You just have to get to them before another guy does. Once a woman gets pumped and dumped a few times then she clues into the Male Game, and then she becomes more street smart. It's actually the opposite of what you think - A virgin Scarlett Johansson would have been a lot easier to bang than current year 1000 c0ck stare Scarlet Johansson. And this, my friend, is why man of history (our ancestors) fiercely guarded virgins (because they are vulnerable).

What does this have to do with anything?

I have enough experience with women to know that they are innately deceptive. I can also see there is a conspiracy to hide female sexual nature from Betas. This is why RedPill literature from University Professors like Sperm Wars gets massively suppressed and censored. They can't have this truth become common knowledge because then Betas might stop investing in the machine of false dreams.

Society is entirely based on Betas working hard, and putting their blood, sweat and tears into something that doesn't exist = a disney princess figment of what women pretend to be versus what they actually are.

What does any of this have to do with anything or specifically, the conversation we're having?

All men would cheat if they had the opportunity and abundance to. The reality is that most men can't even get laid, so if they eventually luck-out and find a woman who wants to be with him, the absolute fear of losing his one source of sex and affection would stop him from cheating.

No they wouldn't man. Not everyone has low moral values.

Put this same guy in Manila and have hundreds 18 year olds throwing themselves at him every day and you'd see a very different story.

When was the last time you were in Manila? You realize it's a completely different place now, right?

My guess is that you've been banging hookers in the Philippines for awhile now and you're pretending like you're some kind of pickup stud. And now you're onto red pill because it makes you feel superior to other guys to tell them about it and convince them of it.

In reality, you're peddling half truths and bs.

 

[Pandora]

All men would cheat if they had the opportunity and abundance to. The reality is that most men can't even get laid, so if they eventually luck-out and find a woman who wants to be with him, the absolute fear of losing his one source of sex and affection would stop him from cheating.

Put this same guy in Manila and have hundreds 18 year olds throwing themselves at him every day and you'd see a very different story.

99.99999999999% of men would cheat if they had access to smoking hot young women and they would not get caught. I agree.

 

[bat soup]

If a girl likes you enough, she'll hook up with you. If she doesn't, chances are she'll string you along for a while whilst pretending to be a good girl in order to get free food, validation and entertainment.

 

[Pandora]

Without question the horniest girls I've ever met were religious girls who operated under "forbidden sex" doctrines.

What most guys don't understand is that women are chaos. It goes all the way back to Eve having sex with the serpent in the Garden of Eden (which is what biting the apple represents) after God explicitly told her not to bite the apple (d1ck) - the Tree of Knowledge is actually the Tree of Orgasms.

In fact, sexual control of women has been the primary focus of our ancestors precisely because of deceptive female nature. The Caveman got sick of coming home after hunting mammoth all day and finding their Cavewoman getting d1cked down by neighboring Caveman Chad after she promised him she would never betray him.

Interesting point about the Adam and Eve story. Yes you may be correct.

 

[Vision88]

I've had thousands of sexual experiences with women in my life. My notch count would be over a thousand now. I stopped counting at 700. I've devoted most of my life to it, and it all came together for me in my early 20's. You don't believe it's possible because you don't know how to tap into the sexual side of women.

I didn't say I don't believe it's possible. I don't believe that YOU have had thousands of sex partners... but it sounds like you're starting to backtrack here and now you're differentiating between sexual experiences and actual sex, according to your post above.

Soon, you'll be back tracking to having 50 to 100 partners and who knows what comes after that, aye?

If you bang a thousand women over a 10 year period that's averaging under 2 women a week. That is pretty easy if you have Game. But for me it's actually gone in cycles. I've had weeks where I've banged a new woman every day, and I've had weeks where I've banged no women. It all depends on my energy levels because the sh!t is exhausting.

It's pretty easy if you have nothing else going on in your life or you're going for easiest types of women to bang... which you can train yourself to find the cues for.

Most guys aren't willing to do it because it's not very fulfilling... after having a couple hundred partners it becomes, wtf am I doing this for?

There are sex addicts and guys addicted to banging new vaginas.

Most men get sex by investing in a woman i.e. Dates, paying for stuff, courting her etc. - this is transactional sex and it's a very bad sexual strategy.

Thanks for the lesson in what most men do, bro.

Most men do not understand how to turn a woman on, which is what leads to fast sex. Turning a woman on leads her to seek validation from you - this is the best sexual strategy. The best way I can describe turning a woman on is like putting her under a spell. You become like a magician.

Oh yeah? Dropping into a teaching frame now, huh? Tell me more, oh guru of pickup. How does sex work? Is that when the man puts his wet finger in a girl's ear? I've heard about this working.

 

[Vision88]

Thousands of sexual experiences and a notch count of over a thousand are different things. I don't count getting bl0wjobs as a notch. I don't count anything other than putting my d!ck in her vagina as a notch. I've had plenty of bl0wjobs that didn't lead to sex for one reason or another.

I've also had thousands of rejections. So I have a completely holistic view of what does and doesn't work. I learn from failure.

Anyone who has accomplished anything significant in their lives has encountered lots of rejection and failure.

Regarding the rest of your response, this just comes across as denial of reality and threats to your bluepill ego.

Your response comes across as someone who doesn't have a solid argument so they resort back to calling someone "blue pill" because they have no strong case for what they say.

It's similar to leftists calling anyone who disagrees with them "racist"... except you're doing it here to try to assert your own authority and claim that you're in the know while anyone who disagrees is this slur term that you use for them.

It's basically an authoritarian way of shutting down any opposing views... "they're just (insert racist, sexist, blue pill, etc.) and don't know what they're talking about."

This is a common strategy when facts and proof isn't on your side.

Banging women is actually quite easy if you're prepared to remove your idealistic and false notions of female nature. This is the number one thing that stops you from getting laid. Women can smell it on you. They know you don't "get it".

Thanks for more wisdom, oh gooroo of knowledge. Shall I bow to your infinite wisdom now?

It's incredible when a woman knows you "get it." You both kinda smile are each other knowingly. Women love guys who know what they're up to.

I'm guessing that this whole teaching frame thing has worked for you in the past... call anyone who disagrees with you a blue pill person and then come from an authority/teaching frame to give them your infinite knowledge and convince them of your smart ways while ignoring the real conversation and the facts and evidence that you lack.

 

[Vision88]

A BluePill is simply a guy who doesn't understand/accept female nature. It's just an easier, more convenient way to describe a guy like this.

Yeah, I know the origins. What it's become is a way to dismiss anyone's argument who disagrees with you so that you don't have to engage in healthy conversation around it.

"YOU are bluepill... what you say is blue pill thinking... oh, more blue pill. You want me to have evidence? Hah, blue pill guy."

Obviously, you've bought into red pill stuff... and now you just label anyone who has a differing opinion as blue pill... just like leftists dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with them as nazis, racists, or sexists... it's the same strategy.

It doesn't make what you say right or true... it just means that you're not open to thoughts that break your red pill ideology. And that's fine... just realize it's incredibly condescending at best.

From the way you write about women you fall into the category of BluePill. This isn't a life sentence. You can learn about true female nature anytime, and this will usually happen when you start getting tired of women not conforming to your ideals of how women should behave.

Again, you're doing exactly what I just said you're doing... you're dismissing what I've been talking about by calling me blue pill and then you're stepping into an authority frame like you know what's going on and I don't.

It's nonsense dude. You have belief systems that are NOT shaped by reality, they're shaped by your past experiences and whatever you've bought into about women... just like all of us.

Just because you believe something, doesn't make it true. And calling me blue pill because I don't buy into what you're saying... I'm not even saying it's wrong... but I don't believe something just because you want me to believe it... you don't have the evidence on your side.

You're making wild claims about your own belief systems and then calling anyone who has an opinion outside of your own blue pill.

You can keep doing that if you want to but it's not going to make all women open to banging on the first date... it's not going to make it so that all men would cheat if given the chance... what you're saying is a reflection of what's going on in your head, not a reflection of reality.

Red pill is NOT a reflection of reality... it's a marketing tactic that guys on the internet, specifically youtubers who make money when you click on their video are using to gain popularity and make a lot of money. And you've bought into it.

This is not a life sentence. You can come around to the reality that what you're saying is a perception and not the truth anytime you want to... this usually happens when you get tired of getting into argument after argument where you just dismiss people's views and start deciding that maybe other people might know things that you don't. (see what I did there)

 

[firstbornunicorn]

I 75% agree with this.

Off the top of my head, I can think of 5 Red Pill/Alpha mindset dudes on YT.

They all say the exact same things on their channels, and if you listen closely, each and every one of their videos is just b!tching about female nature. Regardless of what the title is...they just find a new way to re-package the same 'women are for the streets' message over and over...and over...again.

I wonder if they realize it but just do it for the money or if they really don't realize it at all and are just stuck in an echo-chamber.

 

[metalwater]

the nature of women. not good or bad, just is.

There is an excellent(subjective) fictional show called Outlander. It's a fun thing to watch with a new red pill lens. The stories and sub-stories in it are good to describe a lot of the nature of women. Finding the male characters in it that we can self-identify with is eye-opening and probably easy to do as they are really well defined. I watched it about a year and a half ago. takes some time as it's about 5 seasons. Versions of the story are played out, in reality, all the time. Well, not the part about time travel... but the interpersonal dynamics do. Right down to one of the characters developing some sort of attraction to a rapeist. The Beta guy in the show is a great man, just as great as the others. If having time in the winter, it's decent entertainment, and while watching think about the nature of women.

 

[derby1]

No, you are the one projecting by implying all these women are extracting all these things from men. It's your view of women that probably stems from a past negative experience, and now you're convinced that every woman is going to do this. It's a defense mechanism to protect yourself.

seeing as 4 of my family are therapists, with women being their number 1 client

I know exactly what women are up to. I know also how sneaky they are, & I know they have vast eco systems of men.

I dont love women, I understand them

Women would run for their lives if all the kids in your street were paternity tested

 

[Who Dares Win]

Most girls arent into hooking up on the first date unless you qualify for their irrational demands.

Of course if you dare to be an average guy, she believes you own her sh1t before being granted a taste of her P-sleeve.

Her intimacy is something to share with a top god or a currency to negotiate with an average joe.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

seeing as 4 of my family are therapists, with women being their number 1 client

I know exactly what women are up to. I know also how sneaky they are, & I know they have vast eco systems of men.

I dont love women, I understand them

Women would run for their lives if all the kids in your street were paternity tested

Everything you can say about a group of ****ty women can also be said about a group of ****ty men. Feminists use this as an excuse to be ****ty and racing to the bottom.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I'm not talking down to you. I'm giving you helpful advice (and for free). Call it tough love if you want.

And who exactly do you think you are?

You overestimate yourself.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I'm not talking down to you. I'm giving you helpful advice (and for free). Call it tough love if you want.

And of course your inexperienced beta self ignores the questions because you don't have a good answer.

I would also bet that the girls you deal with are unattractive.