More protests against lockdown

[Bible_Belt]

Wow, just incredible. You willingly chose to sacrifice civil liberties for the illusion of safety that you think big brother offers.....

I don't follow anyone who needs to wave an automatic rifle to make their point. That isn't political protest, it's terrorism.

 

[Who Dares Win]

1-4: no data from you at all other than unfounded assertions.

My sources:

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Road Safety Facts — Association for Safe International Road Travel

www.asirt.org

ps: what is the R-naught of car crashes?

Sure and here is my number for the whole world.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si
covid Deaths:
159,033


https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/
Approximately 1.35 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,700 people lose their lives every day on the roads.

So unless my phone is drunks, thats the data I see for the world.

When you are ready for the red pill we will talk about all the disease that dont kill you only cause you are taken to the hospital, we will connect such things to the taxes paid to support hospitals and how with no taxes paid (cause everything is closed) those same hospitals will no longer be able to cure people.

Dont try to rationalize your fear or laziness, if you wanna stay home just do it

 

[DelayedGratification]

Sure and here is my number for the whole world.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si
covid Deaths:
159,033


https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/
Approximately 1.35 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,700 people lose their lives every day on the roads.

So unless my phone is drunks, thats the data I see for the world.

When you are ready for the red pill we will talk about all the disease that dont kill you only cause you are taken to the hospital, we will connect such things to the taxes paid to support hospitals and how with no taxes paid (cause everything is closed) those same hospitals will no longer be able to cure people.

Dont try to rationalize your fear or laziness, if you wanna stay home just do it

Who the f*ck are you to say that I'm afraid or lonely? Jesus f*cking Christ that is the lamest ad-hominem I've seen in awhile. You really try hard to miss the point don't you?

For the record, I am neither. If this pandemic takes me, so be it. In the meanwhile I'm working my ass off for the benefit of my kids. Lazy... yeah right.

So, what is the R-naught of car crashes? Afraid to answer? Too lazy?

As for your numbers, let's assume a linear extrapolation (given that an R-naught of 2 isn't linear, that's conservative). 160,000 over two months gives 960,000 deaths per year. Pretty f*cking close.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Who the f*ck are you to say that I'm afraid or lonely? Jesus f*cking Christ that is the lamest ad-hominem I've seen in awhile. You really try hard to miss the point don't you?

For the record, I am neither. If this pandemic takes me, so be it. In the meanwhile I'm working my ass off for the benefit of my kids. Lazy... yeah right.

So, what is the R-naught of car crashes? Afraid to answer? Too lazy?

As for your numbers, let's assume a linear extrapolation (given that an R-naught of 2 isn't linear, that's conservative). 160,000 over two months gives 960,000 deaths per year. Pretty f*cking close.

There is nothing to assume, car crashes makes more death in the world compared to covid...numbers straight from the same source you posted, not mine yours.

Do you even read what you post? either you dont or you should repeat math class...with your 6 yrs old kids.

So not only you are unable to read simple numbers but also scared and over emotional.

I dont even need to point out that people that get infected and is below 40 yrs old has a 0. % of death (see pics above)...no wonder governments can bull**** people though lies and fear if the majority of people think like you.

 

[zekko]

Whatever the annual number of auto-related deaths, I'm sure car accidents will ultimately kill far more people than Covid-19 ever will. But no one is telling us to get rid of cars. Why not? Do you care more about your precious economy and transportation than people dying?

Stay home and stay safe, y'all.

 

[corrector]

Dying from Covid19 is more similar to drowning than a car accident. Unless you drive into a lake deliberately as a suicide I think comparing both is like apples and oranges. With a bad car accident if you are gone you are just gone. This Covid sounds like it is having fun torturing people and making them feel they are getting better than strangling them. Or maybe you end up seeing someone you love die (from a distance) because you were an asymptomatic carrier. Way more terroristic than car accidents. More.comparable to ISIS than car accisents.

 

[Georgepithyou]

These selfish idiots should be given life in prison

 

[Spaz]

Whatever the annual number of auto-related deaths, I'm sure car accidents will ultimately kill far more people than Covid-19 ever will. But no one is telling us to get rid of cars. Why not? Do you care more about your precious economy and transportation than people dying?

Stay home and stay safe, y'all.

It's a different scenario, you can't link it.

Cars or any mode of transportation in this modern world is a necessity, even walking can causes a person to die if he falls into a deep gully, it's incredibly naive to even suggest we stop walking altogether.

 

[DelayedGratification]

There is nothing to assume, car crashes makes more death in the world compared to covid...numbers straight from the same source you posted, not mine yours.

Do you even read what you post? either you dont or you should repeat math class...with your 6 yrs old kids.

So not only you are unable to read simple numbers but also scared and over emotional.

I dont even need to point out that people that get infected and is below 40 yrs old has a 0. % of death (see pics above)...no wonder governments can bull**** people though lies and fear if the majority of people think like you.

Dude, what's with the fear strawman? Must everyone who doesn't think like you be a fragile cowering snowflake? That your go-to argument every time? I guess it must work with women...

Very few people in my social circle are motivated by fear in these circumstances. Mindful concern for their health and how their actions affect the health of others. If they have vulnerable people in their social circles, then yes, concern naturally amplifies into something resembling "fear". But it is fear for their loved-one's health, not fear for themselves.

 

[Spaz]

These selfish idiots should be given life in prison

Calm down buddy.

You got to realise that there are people who are considered natural intellectuals, those men has lower then average EQ's but higher then average IQ's, meaning it takes a slower time for them to absorb what people in general feels.

For them it's just all data and numbers with more numbers that makes sense, they depend on rationality.

For you, the potential pain of losing a love one would be unbearable or even knowing of other people losses causes you some grief.

Just know the difference in people and try to explain ur point of view....slowly, make it so they don't just see the numbers but also the emotions involved for other normal people.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Dude, what's with the fear strawman? Must everyone who doesn't think like you be a fragile cowering snowflake? That your go-to argument every time? I guess it must work with women...

Very few people in my social circle are motivated by fear in these circumstances. Mindful concern for their health and how their actions affect the health of others. If they have vulnerable people in their social circles, then yes, concern naturally amplifies into something resembling "fear". But it is fear for their loved-one's health, not fear for themselves.

Bro u posted numbers to support your position and those same numbers contradict it...how can you call a guy who does it?

 

[Black Widow Void]

The fact that you keep trying to get personal with me just shows how insecure and ego-fragile you are. Please stop projecting your fears and paranoia onto others, not everyone sees the world through your lens.....

Try this, Xenom0rph.
I did this over a year ago and can say that I've experienced no loss.

 

[zekko]

Cars or any mode of transportation in this modern world is a necessity

Okay, but having an economy in the modern world is a necessity also. No one suggests getting rid of cars because it's impractical. Just like it isn't practical to keep the economy shut down eventually. If it's a short term tactic for a few months, that's one thing, but what if it ends up stretching out into years?

Mind you, I'm on the side of social distancing. But I can still see arguments for both sides. What if this just ends up prolonging the inevitable? People have talked about a modified distancing where we isolate the elderly and high risk and send the younger, healthier folks out to work and develop herd immunity. As a country, we've decided on this social distancing strategy, so we need to give it our best effort to give it a chance to work. Time will tell if we're doing the right thing, hopefully, although I doubt that everyone will agree on that, regardless.

 

[redskinsfan92]

While I see the point of social distancing, I fail to see where any government in the United States has any right to order what has been ordered. They trample on the 1st, 2nd, 9th, and 10th Amendments.

 

[Bible_Belt]

While I see the point of social distancing, I fail to see where any government in the United States has any right to order what has been ordered. They trample on the 1st, 2nd, 9th, and 10th Amendments.

The defense production act suspends much of the 4th amendment, which forbids the government from stealing your stuff. Fema is the biggest thief in the country right now. My state had to covertly ship ppe to keep fema from robbing us. This is what it would be like with no 4th amendment. If you have something the government wants, they just take it.

 

[redskinsfan92]

The defense production act suspends much of the 4th amendment, which forbids the government from stealing your stuff. Fema is the biggest thief in the country right now. My state had to covertly ship ppe to keep fema from robbing us. This is what it would be like with no 4th amendment. If you have something the government wants, they just take it.

Real shame. It's like the government said, "We have an emergency! Quick, seize power!"

 

[Spaz]

Okay, but having an economy in the modern world is a necessity also. No one suggests getting rid of cars because it's impractical. Just like it isn't practical to keep the economy shut down eventually. If it's a short term tactic for a few months, that's one thing, but what if it ends up stretching out into years?

Mind you, I'm on the side of social distancing. But I can still see arguments for both sides. What if this just ends up prolonging the inevitable? People have talked about a modified distancing where we isolate the elderly and high risk and send the younger, healthier folks out to work and develop herd immunity. As a country, we've decided on this social distancing strategy, so we need to give it our best effort to give it a chance to work. Time will tell if we're doing the right thing, hopefully, although I doubt that everyone will agree on that, regardless.

Right now there's just too many variables to implement what you suggested, which in a perfect setting would naturally yield positive results, that I do agree.

As for the social distancing, the initiation of a lockdown is in fact a forced measure taken by many governments because things were getting out of control or beyond their control - it was an act of last resort since this virus is new and with unknown lethality to individual nations (it affects different people differently in different demographics).

Some other countries didn't initiate a lockdown, for example Singapore, Germany, Sweden...etc, because they were able to generally contain and control it.

As for the virus itself, it's likely to be a yearly affair, right now all that humanity could do is mitigation, an act of buying time.

You need to understand that a very big chuck of humanity can't accept deaths by the millions of their love ones, even if they are old, more so when taken before their time. For them, money they can always find but once a love one is lost its forever.

 

[bcude]

Car accidents are not contagious and they don't grow out of control. It's a complete useless comparison.

No one wants to keep the economy shut down, but it's not like politicians had any choice once it got to a certain point. It's just the consequence of the situation (of early inaction) to stop it in its tracks. Better to panic early than late with something completely unknown but potentially seriously damaging.

I'm not sure people who are saying we should let the virus loose realise what kind of economic consequences that would lead to.
Having 1/6th of the population seriously ill, letting paranoid people be even more paranoid leading to longer term behavioral changes and the completely unmoral aspect of speculating with human lives.

But of course, it's easier to point fingers at this coming mess with all the jobless people etc etc. It's not the politicans reaction that put the world economy to a halt, it's their lack of a fast response that put us in this position. Now it's all about damage control.

 

[Seductions_Mad_Scientist]

I bet a $100 bucks you'd be singing a different tune if you got hooked up on a ventilator.

But maybe you're lucky and would just come down with high fevers + difficulties with breathing at night....and I'd bet another $100 bucks that you'd be having panic attacks whilst grabbing all the pills you've got hidden somewhere in the toilet.

It's always predictable what people like you will do when u r at the receiving end....

This... 1000% this. Thank you Spaz.

for the love of **** ... think people!

You may be fine now but all medical tests are past biased. If you get tested at 10AM on Monday and it shows up negative on Friday it doesnt mean you didnt contract it on Tuesday. Also what about false positives? What about minimal viral load needed to register as a positive?

Also, there is no reliable longitudinal evidence (because there literally couldnt be. There hasnt been enough time) as towards long term systemic medical effects. How do we know this wont effect a large portion of survivors with long term lung or other issues.

1% of the total global population is 77M people. Now that doesnt mean that many people will get it. but dont just the futrue potential death toll just based of the current CFR.

Should we in some sense attempt to reopen the economy. Absolutely yes! Does that mean to do it categorically, all at once and now; **** no.

Is there too much panic and fear mongering yes. but is this a threat , also yes.

Be safe and be smart bros!

 

[Bible_Belt]

Going inside the grocery store may become a thing of the past.

Experts say it may be time for grocery stores to ban customers from coming inside because of Covid-19

Dozens of grocery store workers have died from the coronavirus, despite masks, temperature checks and capacity restrictions to keep them safe. So far, supermarkets have resisted the most draconian policy: banning customers from coming inside.

www.cnn.com