I heard something really interesting today. Someone on a radio show said that having meaning in life is more powerful than sex. Why? Because there are people not having sex that are happy. But no one without meaning in life is happy.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
more powerful than sex
- Thread starter speakeasy
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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
And there are people having sex who are happier than the ones who are happy and not having sex. States of happiness, just like esoteric notions of a meaningful life, are all relative.
Absolutisms might entertain the talkshow listeners of touchy-feely pop-psychologists radio hosts, but they rarely exist in the real world.
Except for the people who're happy in their understanding that life is essentially meaningless. Or only as full of meaning as we're willing to apply to it.
Absolutisms might entertain the talkshow listeners of touchy-feely pop-psychologists radio hosts, but they rarely exist in the real world.
They may be happy and having sex, but not necessarily because they are having sex. Perhaps for other reasons as well such as a fulfilling life. There are people that have lots of sex and are empty. Particularly true for women.Rollo Tomassi said:
I think everyone yearns for some purpose and meaning. I mean Hitler had a purpose and meaning as devious as it is. Bin Ladin has one, the antiwar protestors have it, the charity worker has one, the mother that wants to raise her kids the right way. I mean I think many people want to reach towards something that is higher or greater than just themselves.
on the happiness scale (1 being low pleasure and 10 being maximum pleasure)...speakeasy said:
masturbation - 5
sex - 7.5
meaingful life - 10
so ....
1) sex alone = 7.5
2) masturbation + meaningful life = 15
3) sex + meaningful life = 17.5
a lot of the feel goodness that most people get from sex is about more than the orgasm, its about feeling 'wanted' or 'desired', its basicaly an ego rush - they feel like 'the prize'.
but people who have a meaningful life feel the like hte prize all the time. sex is just the cherry on the sundae.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
well to be honest sometimes i think wanking off is higher than sex!speakeasy said:
sometimes sex is a pain in the butt (no pun intended).
great sex is great, but a lot of the sex people have (especially married people) is not that much more pleasurable than jacking.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
True, but the possibility also exists that they may be happy (as per they're own perception of happiness) because they're getting laid just as well. It's not an absolute. You cannot discount the opposite because it doesn't fit your own perception.speakeasy said:
It's like saying money can't buy you happiness, but I still know plenty of happy ass rich people. And how do we know when we're not rich ourselves? It's entirely possible to be happy due to wealth, just as it is to be happy because you're getting laid. A person can find happiness in meditating on the quality of his meaningful life just as easily as a guy can be happy right after he shoots up an 8 ball.
And there are millions more AFCs who are just as empty, looking for any justification they can to rationalize why they're not getting laid - such as devaluing and marginalizing sexuality in a self-righteous attempt to console themsleves about their predicament by claiming some esoteric moral high ground in their celebacy, as if it were a choice they were making rather than a condition they really have little control over.speakeasy said:
Beware of making your necessity a virtue. It rarely leads you to what you're really after.
Luthor Rex
Master Don Juan
speakeasy said:
"Meaning" can drive you to the point of obsession. So yeah.
I'm not trying to poo-poo meaning, but just point out that those asshat highjackers had "meaning" and that drove them to flying airplanes into buildings.
So yeah, meaning can be more powerful than life itself...
CanuckinSK
Don Juan
I'll take self-satisfaction over empty sex any day. Also, whacking IS better than bad sex.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
DrMetallica
Master Don Juan
How is it possible??!!joekerr31 said:
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
JLR, heheh,..that's one 'o mine.
I've never had meaningless sex. Every girl I've ever ƒucked, I was meaning to ƒuck.
:nervous:
I've never had meaningless sex. Every girl I've ever ƒucked, I was meaning to ƒuck.
:nervous:
What kind of scarcity mentality thread is this?
It's all BS, people!
You can have all three of these things independantly.
Can you be happy without sex and meaning in life? Sure ya can.
Can you have sex without being happy and meaning in life? Sure ya can
Can you have meaning in life without having sex and happyness? Sure ya can (you should meet one of them neurotic emo kids, they're REALLY good at that stuff :crackup
Conclusion: Have all three and don't waste time thinking about BS.
Listen to this man, his words are wise:
It's all BS, people!
You can have all three of these things independantly.
Can you be happy without sex and meaning in life? Sure ya can.
Can you have sex without being happy and meaning in life? Sure ya can
Can you have meaning in life without having sex and happyness? Sure ya can (you should meet one of them neurotic emo kids, they're REALLY good at that stuff :crackup
Conclusion: Have all three and don't waste time thinking about BS.
Sure, dude. Was that before or after he/she mentioned he/she was a virgin/never had a powerful sexual relationship?
Listen to this man, his words are wise:
PS: I know that a life purpose is one of the major keys to a fulfilling life but this is just pure AFC excusing BS.
Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
:yes: Stole the words right out of my typing finger.
Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
If you want to have a bit of fun, ask such "moral celibates" to rationally explain why it is so moral to not be sexual when "God," "nature," "the Great Spirit," "the force," or whatever they want to call it endowed us with sexuality.
They'll probably start going "humma, humma, humma" like Ralph Kramden in an old Honeymooners episode...
They'll probably start going "humma, humma, humma" like Ralph Kramden in an old Honeymooners episode...
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.