Morality is *sexy* - in the end, the Good Guy will always beat out the Bad Boy

[jophil28]

For example, sexually cheating on your wife is a breach of morality (and her cheating on you is a breach as well) You have gone against your own promise to be faithful.

And that is why cheating is not acceptable in marriage. You gave your word and then you broke your word, therefore your word is worthless.

 

[piranha45]

I've found that women are always attracted to men that act like their father.

this is a dispute that you and Aenigma should resolve with fisticuffs.

 

[Warrior74]

I've found that women are always attracted to men that act like their father.

except when they grew up with no father, mother divorced father and he became a wreck, father had touchy touchy issues, father was a drunk or druggie (wait...they still do on that last one).

 

[ZenGodMod]

The question of morality as a key quality of men is irrelevant. Morality is perception, as many of us make hard moral choices on daily basis which these choices would not make relevant difference on our moral standing.

However for us to make these choices we have to first start with clear principles of which we abide by. These principles are the deciding factor of our final decision.

Clear Cut Principles! Not foggy principles easily spaded by feminist noise.

 

[synergy1]

So let me get this strait, a 27 year old virgin is telling us about how the good moral character always beats the bad boy? I really, really hope that people aren't taking this guy too seriously. Some folks talk about the quality of advice degrading on this forum, and I believe this is a prime example. If you are a moral character like you speak of, where are all the girls knocking at your door? do you even have a girlfriend right now?

Jesus already gave us the answer from the bible. Whose face is it on the coins you use? Caesar? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and give to God what is God's. Class dismissed.

Typical sidestepping so as not to actually answer the question. Talk about being a man, than not even manning up and answering a simple question? As I said on another thread, come back when you have more credibility than the characters from Sesame Street.

 

[Trader]

So let me get this strait, a 27 year old virgin is telling us about how the good moral character always beats the bad boy? I really, really hope that people aren't taking this guy too seriously. Some folks talk about the quality of advice degrading on this forum, and I believe this is a prime example. If you are a moral character like you speak of, where are all the girls knocking at your door? do you even have a girlfriend right now?

Very interesting - you seem to equate masculinity with having sex. No wonder there are so many AFCs out there - that's why the 40 year old virgin is such a popular movie.

But since you want to get *personal* - I will shoot straight up. No I don't have a gf right now as I am trying to get my career in order. If you can't take care of yourself, you definitely shouldn't be trying to get into a serious relationship with a girl.

And to answer your question - yes I have 5 girls *knocking down my door* - who want to date me. I have another girl (who has a bf) constantly trying to set me up with cute girls. And they are always complaining: 'Well, why not just get a gf now? You don't have to get your career set up first!'

But alas, I have other priorities (career) so I am just enjoying a good social circle and having *fun* with girls and learning more about girls.

Also you need to improve your reading comprehension. Morals are only a factor in attraction AFTER a man has become a masculine/dominant force. Morality is like the icing on the cake.

And I am not perfect - I have morals but I need to work on being even more committed to them and having more backbone.

I really don't know where you are trying to go with your little childish outburst. Not sure why you are trying to go ad-hominem - it adds no value.

Jesus already gave us the answer from the bible. Whose face is it on the coins you use? Caesar? Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and give to God what is God's. Class dismissed.

Typical sidestepping so as not to actually answer the question. Talk about being a man, than not even manning up and answering a simple question? As I said on another thread, come back when you have more credibility than the characters from Sesame Street.

I assumed you had the ability to logically deduce what I'm trying to say. Since you clearly are not - I will have to spell it out to you. Give to Caesar's what is Caesar's = give to the government what is the government's - which means you do not try to misappropriate the assets (even for the sake of your child).

 

[Luthor Rex]

This is a naive statement.

No, it's not naive and you're simply delusional for thinking otherwise. You want to rationalize some bad behavior of yours by saying "oh I have a code that is so superior to you mere mortals". I've seen it plenty before buddy, our prisons are filled with "innocent" men. Most felons cannot face facts of their own bad behavior -- in this way they are very womanly.

And what do you do when the law conflicts with your personal code?

You will rationalize any bullsh!t excuse you can for your bad behavior.

Your child suffers from a severe illness that is not covered by health insurance. Your only option is to pay out of pocket. At this time, the government has subpoenaed your business requesting for all REPORTED assets to be held in escrow until they are able to finish their investigation. Do you disclose the monies that are needed for your son's treatment?

I've had health insurance from various companies all my life, in easy times and in times where I was in the hospital for a while, and NEVER has any "severe" illness not be covered by them. I'm not surprised a criminal would resort to this kind of reasoning -- this way you can push your crypto-socialist agenda. Let's be real here, what is socialism if it is not the rule of criminals.

YOU are the source or your problems. YOU need to stop blaming the world and blame the real source of your problems: YOU.

But you won't, because our prisons are filled with "innocent" men.

 

[guru1000]

No, it's not naive and you're simply delusional for thinking otherwise. You want to rationalize some bad behavior of yours by saying "oh I have a code that is so superior to you mere mortals". I've seen it plenty before buddy, our prisons are filled with "innocent" men. Most felons cannot face facts of their own bad behavior -- in this way they are very womanly.

Now isn't this the epitome of societal programming. This ignorance is the same shaming tactic used to recruit millions of men to put their lives on the line to fight another country's war; the matrix. Just a duck following the flock to their own demise.

You will rationalize any bullsh!t excuse you can for your bad behavior.

Whose rationalizing?

I've had health insurance from various companies all my life, in easy times and in times where I was in the hospital for a while, and NEVER has any "severe" illness not be covered by them. I'm not surprised a criminal would resort to this kind of reasoning -- this way you can push your crypto-socialist agenda. Let's be real here, what is socialism if it is not the rule of criminals.

Yet you cannot answer the question.

YOU are the source or your problems. YOU need to stop blaming the world and blame the real source of your problems: YOU.

Again, who blames the world? Am I creating threads saying "Women are _______" or " The government is corrupt".

YOU my friend are the problem in that you lack the mental capacity to think outside the box. Stick with the 9-5 job mentality; without employees where would the self-employed be.

 

[Duffdog]

Morality is simply a matter of timing. At one point in history, it was extremely moral to kill any black people you could find because their very existence poisoned the world. At another point in time, it was moral to rip the intestines out of anyone who disagreed with your idea of morality (provided you had more weapons than they did.) Morality is as fluid as philosophy, it changes daily and is controlled by whomever has the most power at the time.

In the end, it boils down to power. Women want whichever guy has the most power in all cases. Whether that be interpersonal power, sexual power, political or monetary, power is the underlying theme which attracts females. If it just so happens that your morality creates a large balance of power in your favor, she will want you. If it does not, she won't. Its that simple.

 

[muscleman]

Power is the underlying theme which attracts everyone.

Trader - if you really do have girls "knocking down your door" and you're a virgin by choice, good for you. That doesn't put you onto some higher moral ground though. Premarital sex can be discussed and argued til the end of time - not even the Bible has a clear answer when you look at the circumstances surrounding its writing.

It's good that you're getting your career set up, but it's a weak case for not having a girlfriend or sleeping around. If you just don't want to, that's fine - but be clear about it. If you think you'll set up your career and then be good to go in whatever relationship you get into, you're 99% wrong. Very few (way less than 1%) of first relationships last.

You can get your career in order, build the life you want for yourself, and still date girls - all at the same time. I don't quite understand your reasoning behind "other priorities" ...

 

[Unbridled_Phoenix]

Women can also be a huge distraction for the warriors.

 

[zekko]

Either it fails and you become an "absolute a$$hole", or the women will submit as is proper for their natural role and start to accept your PERMANENT leadership.

I find it interesting that such a Biblical view is so widely held on a "player's forum" such as this. There are passages in the Bible that talk of the man being the head of the family, and the women should submit to his authority, etc. (can't remember the exact verses but I know they're in there).

These scriptures go against the modern view that the man and woman should be equal. Even most Christians would probably say that these verses are just examples of ancient biases that show up in the text. Yet here on a seduction forum, the man's domination is seen as a necessary truth. Interesting.

 

[piranha45]

If you place a woman as your equal in a relationship, you are stifling yourself and disappointing her. These issues will inevitably be of detriment to the relationship in general, regardless of whether it lasts to your deaths or collapses in a few days.

The genders are different, not equal, and if you don't account for the differences then a sexual relationship suffers.

 

[zekko]

Somwhere along the line, someone successfully sold the line that nurturing children and maintaining harmony in the home is lesser work. The success of that line has demolished the family structure of the US and much of the Western World.

I don't think it was so much someone selling the idea as it was that the guy was earning the money. The money was going right into his pocket and that gave him the power. Probably some guys abused that power, and that made the women raising the children feel powerless, and it fed on from there.

A guy needs to be head of his family, but he also needs to be fair and just. If this guy back in the 50s or whenever was just taking his money and drinking and gambling it away instead of feeding his family that's messed up. People's own weaknesses and immorality are what have led to the demolition of the family structure in the west.

 

[Tictac]

Now isn't this the epitome of societal programming. This ignorance is the same shaming tactic used to recruit millions of men to put their lives on the line to fight another country's war; the matrix. Just a duck following the flock to their own demise.

Guru1000,

Ive not been around here that long. In that time, I've learned some important things from you.

But on this, we disagree. I was not shamed into joining the military. I was not drafted, though the draft existed when I enlisted. I did it to serve. And I dd it for eight years (1969-1977). Did I do things I wish I had not, yes. Did I do things that served the interests of others, yes. Did I do things to oil interests and illegal drug trade, yes. But they were sideshow to why I did what I did.

You need to get that our military is now an all volunteer force. Recruited? Absolutely! But mostly from those who desire to serve. They are not John Kerry's 'losers' or the liberal wing's 'can't do anything else' proletariat. They are men and women that desire to serve - others, their country and a chance at a better world. But you can't know this unless you do it.

There is a line in 'Blackhawk Down' (the book, I never saw the movie) where a Delta Force operator (Hoot) says "when my friends ask me why I did it - what are you, some kind of war junkie? I will tell them it was no more than for the man next to me. That's all it is". And that is the simple truth.

"People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf". George Orwell

If you don't know the truth of this, you're not living in the real world.

Tictac

 

[guru1000]

Tictac,

It is not my intention to devalue any man's sacrifice especially if that sacrifice is rooted in his own convictions. After all, if we can't follow through in our core convictions, we live in hypocrisy.

My point being laws are created to control the masses more efficiently and because we as individuals do not live in a black and white society, laws are often manipulated to not so often serve the greater good.

Luthor posted a comment as to my lack of accountability due to his boxed thinking. Yet his counter displays a vacuous intepretation of the laws we CHOOSE to comply to with complete disregard as to whom these laws serve to protect.

Don't misconstrue a matrix lined statement as a personal retort. I keep an open mind to all lines of reason as not to fall victim to an irrational thought process.

 

[Tictac]

It is not my intention to devalue any man's sacrifice especially if that sacrifice is rooted in his own convictions. After all, if we can't follow through in our core convictions, we live in hypocrisy.

My point being laws are created to control the masses more efficiently and because we as individuals do not live in a black and white society, laws are often manipulated to not so often serve the greater good.

I could not agree more with this. Thanks for clearing the air.

tictac