Models: Attracting Women Through Honesty by Mark Manson

[Sega Genesis]

She relied too much on authenticity mistakenly believing that alone would carry her through.

Sort of like back in the day when people were preaching "peace and love man" believing that would 'save the world' or something. Lol

What she failed to do was apply intelligence, business smarts and good ole common sense!

I'm not familiar with her situation but frankly she sounds like one of those "new age" junkies who simply lacked the smarts to be a successful artist in her craft.

Who and where was her manager?

 

[BaronOfHair]

https://www.fastcompany.com/9127780...rself-4-reasons-why-authenticity-is-overrated This is no less true in dating and mating

Seg, what you mentioned here

"We should all be learning, growing, evolving and understanding the role introspection and
the Universe plays is crucial"

Is not only a shrewd, advisable move but the exact OPPOSITE of "being authentic". In that sense, MM erred most egregiously

 

[plumber]

No it doesn’t.

A man won’t destroy a woman who opens up emotionally to him, A man won’t use a woman’s own words against her to get on her nerves. A man won’t manipulate and trick a woman to get free stuff, If a woman gives 10% effort back in a relationship, the man is happy. If a woman gives a man sex, the man is over the moon.

in 99% of cases, society takes the woman’s side, especially if she is good looking and of the age where she can get pregnant easily,

I will hold my position on it. Good strong masculine men don't do it. Plenty of dirt bags that do it. I'll believe if you say you don't do it, but I have seen first hand many men that are not angels. it cuts both ways.

 

[jhonny9546]

@jhonny9546
Good video though, thanks!

Interesting to understand your dynamic.
So you were attracted to toxic partners because of your mother?

 

[Sega Genesis]

Interesting to understand your dynamic.
So you were attracted to toxic partners because of your mother?

@jhonny9546 respectfully go back and read my post again and re-watch the video you uploaded if you don't understand.

It's a lot more complicated than merely saying I was attracted to certain men because of my mom. Who waa dominant, controlling, narcissistic.

Let's get back to topic and MM's book, thx!

 

[Sega Genesis]

https://www.fastcompany.com/9127780...rself-4-reasons-why-authenticity-is-overrated This is no less true in dating and mating

Seg, what you mentioned here

"We should all be learning, growing, evolving and understanding the role introspection and
the Universe plays is crucial"

Is not only a shrewd, advisable move but the exact OPPOSITE of "being authentic". In that sense, MM erred most egregiously

Interesting! I always viewed them as separate or perhaps both....occurring simultaneously and/or in conjuction with each other.

But let me think more about it, I didn't fall asleep till 5:00 am and just woke up!

 

[BaronOfHair]

Interesting! I always viewed them as separate or perhaps both....occurring simultaneously and/or in conjuction with each other

Let's be HONEST enough to admit that we're all working an angle, and thus "inauthentic"

 

[Sega Genesis]

Let's be HONEST enough to admit that we're all working an angle, and thus "inauthentic"

Working an angle? You may be right but like I said let me think about it.

When one has essentially been living his/her life believing they're being authentic (genuine/real) with people it's NOT always so easy coming to the realization they're not and are in truth "working an angje."

Call it being delusional or whatever, not saying I am or not, it's not something I consciously think about.

What I will say is that many of my views as a "modern" female are outside the box of what society deems "normal" or typical as far as female reactions and behavior...

and as such you are NOT the first person to suggest I have an angje and basically full of shyt!

Even on this forum I've been accused of it so I do "get it."

And IF I am to be honest, there may be some truth to it! On some level anyway...

 

[BaronOfHair]

Candor(some might consider this synonymous with "authenticity") is splendid... It also pays to word your sentiments craftily, when you express them out loud. Ex:

While there's debate about which bubble headed b-tch replied in so foolish a fashion to Klebold and Harris https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Said_Yes:_The_Unlikely_Martyrdom_of_Cassie_Bernall , I'm confident that most reasonably intelligent folks agree...

It would've been much cagier for her to instead say words to the effect of "At this moment, I'm having my doubts"*, rather than becoming a 5 minute martyr for the crowd that mistook Touched By An Angel for high art


*This would've also been a far more honest/authentic reply. We all know she wasn't thinking to herself "Compelling evidence for a loving, ominpotent God hath arrived!!!", as she watched her classmates be mowed down and pulverized, only to then have her own number be pulled up

 

[BaronOfHair]

• Emotional Connection:
  The book frames seduction as an emotional process of connecting with women, not a logical one of impressing them.
• Authenticity:
  It encourages men to be their true selves, rather than faking behavior or emulating others to attract women

This is good advice IF the woman is 18 years old and a virgin

This subject actually reminds me of

0:00-13:20

MM's brand of "authenticity" essentially counsels men to go into Ed Cullen mode /amp up our feminine energy. As BB sagely observes, an androgynous approach such as this might be extremely appealing to tweens, and is all but guaranteed to falter with actual women. Who are invariably drawn to MEN who'll be their rock

 

[eli77]

fair points all around at least they didnt declare bankruptcy thats a plus!!

 

[Beyond It]

Great in theory, not so good when applied in the real world.

Alot of women and dating coaches think when men have trouble dating, connecting, having romantic relationships with women, it’s because they are manipulative, underhanded, just trying to get laid, etc, This is not the case.

Most men on Sosuave want to connect to women on an authentic and deeper level. They want to have girlfriends and or wives. The problem is, when women find this out, they are abusive and toxic towards the man. If a man opens up emotionally to a women, she will absolutely destroy him to end, All men are for women is a TOOL to meet their needs. If a man wants emotionally connection or loyalty from a woman, hed be better off buying a dog,



This is good advice IF the woman is 18 years old and a virgin. If the woman is older and some sexual experience, most of the above won’t work,

This is true. She is designed to squash men unworthy of breeding. From her viewpoint. She says she doesn’t want to be used for s3x yet goes the man who does on a regular basis. This is an observable fact.
Many women hate this about themselves but their biology drives them. They know it. It just is.

 

[BadBoy89]

How about instead of mentioning other people, how about you stop being a coward and try to be honest with the intent of connection? What are your experiences on honesty and women? None tha's why you gotta mention other people.

How about you don’t assume to fit your agenda? The way you are defending women, you are either a white knight or a woman yourself,

Pathetic

Another imposing assumption to fit your agenda.

Our politicians have taught us well.

 

[BaronOfHair]

She is designed to squash men unworthy of breeding

Thus, "authenticity" is often not only often ineffectual, but downright fatal. The "authentic man" who "brings his whole self" everywhere/does "what comes naturally to us"* is really just a f-c-ing child with zero self-mastery, who ends up steamrolled in EVERY aspect of his life


*What "comes naturally to us" includes

-Yapping on about our emotions endlessly to everyone, in the vicinity, even when they're clearly not doing well themselves, and despite the fact that injecting our own misery into the atmosphere just breeds more misery

-Mistaking those same emotions for incontrovertible truths, never becoming conscious of the thoughts and beliefs which generate those emotions, much less interrogate those thoughts and beliefs for their accuracy

--Constantly blurting out every knee-jerk thought which flashes through our minds, never inquiring as to whether or not said thought is especially truthful

Goes without saying, a fellow like that only attracts fellow bottom fishermen/fisherwomen

 

[RickTheToad]

Another thread got me thinking about this book I recall hearing about several years ago, are any of you guys familiar with it, read it?

Curious what your thoughts are...

Goodreads
Models: Attract Women Through Honesty is a 2011 self-help book by Mark Manson that teaches men how to attract women by being authentic and emotionally connected, rather than by using manipulative tactics or trying to impress them. The book focuses on developing genuine confidence and overcoming anxiety, providing a mature and honest approach to dating and relationships by emphasizing emotional connection over superficial strategies.

Key Concepts from the Book

• Emotional Connection:
  The book frames seduction as an emotional process of connecting with women, not a logical one of impressing them.
• Authenticity:
  It encourages men to be their true selves, rather than faking behavior or emulating others to attract women.
• Overcoming Anxiety:
  Models provides guidance on how to manage nervousness and anxiety when interacting with attractive women.
• Genuine Confidence:
  The book aims to help men develop a real and joyful sense of humor and a genuine sense of self-worth.
• Root Causes of Attraction:
  It explores the underlying behaviors that lead to female attraction, offering a deeper understanding of the dynamics involved.
• Challenging Conventional Advice:
  Manson critiques typical dating advice and "pickup" theories, arguing they are often counterproductive in the long run.

It would be nice if it worked that way, but it doesn't anymore. Women, in general, have to be treated like children. It's a game for most of them.. Well, at least until it's too late. Then again, nowadays, some dudes are so thirsty, they will go after a female with 8 kids and way past their prime. So, IDK anymore. This world is going down the crapper real fast. It's a shame.

There may be some home though. The new generation, who are in their early 20's may be less radical and liberal than what most of us have to deal with.

 

[BaronOfHair]

It would be nice if it worked that way, but it doesn't anymore

What are your thoughts on MM's conceptualization of "autheticity," specifically?

 

[Clockwerk50]

Thus, "authenticity" is often not only often ineffectual, but downright fatal. The "authentic man" who "brings his whole self" everywhere/does "what comes naturally to us"* is really just a f-c-ing child with zero self-mastery, who ends up steamrolled in EVERY aspect of his life


*What "comes naturally to us" includes

-Yapping on about our emotions endlessly to everyone, in the vicinity, even when they're clearly not doing well themselves, and despite the fact that injecting our own misery into the atmosphere just breeds more misery

-Mistaking those same emotions for incontrovertible truths, never becoming conscious of the thoughts and beliefs which generate those emotions, much less interrogate those thoughts and beliefs for their accuracy

--Constantly blurting out every knee-jerk thought which flashes through our minds, never inquiring as to whether or not said thought is especially truthful

Goes without saying, a fellow like that only attracts fellow bottom fishermen/fisherwomen

I haven’t read the book, but I agree. “Authenticity”, as most people practice it, is just dumping emotions, opinions, and complaints without a filter. It might feel honest, but it’s really self-absorption, and it kills attraction. People tune it out because it’s repetitive, self-focused, and the kind of noise we learn to block out from childhood, like a parent’s constant nagging.

I get the book is maybe not about this but about congruency with oneself, but still…

 

[BaronOfHair]

“Authenticity”, as most people practice it, is just dumping emotions, opinions, and complaints without a filter

It's similar to a certain POTUS, who spent the prior 5 decades employing illegal immigrants to build his hotels and casinos, then stood before the cameras feigning outrage over alleged rapists and murderers who are taking jobs which are, apparently, the birthright of pasty complexioned folks of "pure" Nordic stock, was subsequently hailed by a few million mental midgets for "saying what's on whatever's left of his mind"*

He wasn't being "authentic", so much as he was acting out for attention/muttering hackneyed talking points guaranteed to drench the panties of yokels he was desperately simping for... That's the case with MOST folks who pride themselves on how "real" they're keeping it. There's nothing remotely honest about their posing and posturing



*This CAN be cute for all of 5 minutes. As this particular POTUS's plummeting approval ratings demonstrate, being authentic is of little benefit, when one has zero substance to back all that posing and posturing up with

The "authentic self" isn't going to induce the firmly middle and upper middle class keyboard warriors who make up one's personality cult out into the fields, to pick fruit for $1 a week, or into the bathrooms of The Staples Center, to clean crappers for barely minimum wage

 

[Vanderdonck]

I used to read MM's blog though I haven't read this book. But I agree that the best way forward is authenticity, which comes from 100% self-acceptance. If you as a man are not being true to who you are and what you want, you will be stuck on a mid level of attraction and relationships. That doesn't mean you can't change and evolve as long as you are always true to your current self.

Most of the rest of "game" are just add-ons to this. It should start coming naturally the more you practice self fulfillment.

 

[BaronOfHair]

If you as a man are not being true to who you are and what you want, you will be stuck on a mid level of attraction and relationships

Expressing one's desires and needs frankly is advisable, sure. Whether or not this is interchangeable with "authenticity" remains questionable