Models: Attracting Women Through Honesty by Mark Manson

[Sega Genesis]

Another thread got me thinking about this book I recall hearing about several years ago, are any of you guys familiar with it, read it?

Curious what your thoughts are...

Goodreads
Models: Attract Women Through Honesty is a 2011 self-help book by Mark Manson that teaches men how to attract women by being authentic and emotionally connected, rather than by using manipulative tactics or trying to impress them. The book focuses on developing genuine confidence and overcoming anxiety, providing a mature and honest approach to dating and relationships by emphasizing emotional connection over superficial strategies.

Key Concepts from the Book

• Emotional Connection:
  The book frames seduction as an emotional process of connecting with women, not a logical one of impressing them.
• Authenticity:
  It encourages men to be their true selves, rather than faking behavior or emulating others to attract women.
• Overcoming Anxiety:
  Models provides guidance on how to manage nervousness and anxiety when interacting with attractive women.
• Genuine Confidence:
  The book aims to help men develop a real and joyful sense of humor and a genuine sense of self-worth.
• Root Causes of Attraction:
  It explores the underlying behaviors that lead to female attraction, offering a deeper understanding of the dynamics involved.
• Challenging Conventional Advice:
  Manson critiques typical dating advice and "pickup" theories, arguing they are often counterproductive in the long run.

 

[BadBoy89]

Great in theory, not so good when applied in the real world.

Alot of women and dating coaches think when men have trouble dating, connecting, having romantic relationships with women, it’s because they are manipulative, underhanded, just trying to get laid, etc, This is not the case.

Most men on Sosuave want to connect to women on an authentic and deeper level. They want to have girlfriends and or wives. The problem is, when women find this out, they are abusive and toxic towards the man. If a man opens up emotionally to a women, she will absolutely destroy him to end, All men are for women is a TOOL to meet their needs. If a man wants emotionally connection or loyalty from a woman, hed be better off buying a dog,

Curious what your thoughts are...

Key Concepts from the Book

• Emotional Connection:
  The book frames seduction as an emotional process of connecting with women, not a logical one of impressing them.
• Authenticity:
  It encourages men to be their true selves, rather than faking behavior or emulating others to attract women.
• Overcoming Anxiety:
  Models provides guidance on how to manage nervousness and anxiety when interacting with attractive women.
• Genuine Confidence:
  The book aims to help men develop a real and joyful sense of humor and a genuine sense of self-worth.
• Root Causes of Attraction:
  It explores the underlying behaviors that lead to female attraction, offering a deeper understanding of the dynamics involved.
• Challenging Conventional Advice:
  Manson critiques typical dating advice and "pickup" theories, arguing they are often counterproductive in the long run.

This is good advice IF the woman is 18 years old and a virgin. If the woman is older and some sexual experience, most of the above won’t work,

 

[jhonny9546]

If a man wants emotionally connection or loyalty from a woman, hed be better off buying a dog,

Or make female friends like women do it with orbiters.

If you think about it, most women have had a father in their life.
Let's say he was a good father but at the same time he was exhausted when he came home from work and could be irritable and impatient, yelling and spanking his daughter. Not most of the time, but that happened.

Now, if this woman is 16 or 25 today, who do you think she'll look for as a partner?
A man who is calm, assertive, confident who tries to "understand," "control" his feelings, and have a healthy relationship, or a man who is a good one, but weak, impulsive, insecure, and therefore gets angry with her, just like her father did when she was little?
Who between those two man will make her world upside down?

Most women grew up with a father who made money, came home at night, and 1/4 of the time let out all his work-related anger when his daughter threw a tantrum.
Most women are looking for a man like that.

So the most important thing when dating a woman is actually get to know her social situation, like her rapport with her family, how her father treats her, her mother, and you will actually know what she is really searching for, rather than listening to the words of her mouth

 

[Mike32ct]

I have the book but have not read it yet. It’s on my TBR list.

 

[Gamisch]

Great in theory, not so good when applied in the real world.

Alot of women and dating coaches think when men have trouble dating, connecting, having romantic relationships with women, it’s because they are manipulative, underhanded, just trying to get laid, etc, This is not the case.

Most men on Sosuave want to connect to women on an authentic and deeper level. They want to have girlfriends and or wives. The problem is, when women find this out, they are abusive and toxic towards the man. If a man opens up emotionally to a women, she will absolutely destroy him to end, All men are for women is a TOOL to meet their needs. If a man wants emotionally connection or loyalty from a woman, hed be better off buying a dog,



This is good advice IF the woman is 18 years old and a virgin. If the woman is older and some sexual experience, most of the above won’t work,

Good reply, but PLEASE stop the creepy ,annoying and repetitive " 18 y.o virging " bs. It mostly kills the strength of your statements.

Other then that I 100% agree with your statement.

 

[Sega Genesis]

@jhonny9546

Or how about a woman being raised by a cold, narcissistic, mentally/emotionally abusive mom and a loving, caring, adoring dad?

She may become attracted to men who resemble her mom (narcissistic and mentally/emotionally abusive) because it's 'familiar' and she views that as love (or her version of love based on her upbringing by primary parent) just as it states in the video but....

ends up ultimately rejecting him for NOT being like her dad?! Loving, caring, attentive and adoring!

Two powerful forces diametrically opposed fighting for dominance!

Story of my life ... although I have made ALOT of progress healing and learning to forgive my mom (now deceased) and reprogramming my brain (and heart) to choose more wisely and make better (and healthier) choices for myself.

Good video though, thanks!

 

[BaronOfHair]

Another thread got me thinking about this book I recall hearing about several years ago, are any of you guys familiar with it, read it?

Curious what your thoughts are...

Goodreads
Models: Attract Women Through Honesty is a 2011 self-help book by Mark Manson that teaches men how to attract women by being authentic and emotionally connected, rather than by using manipulative tactics or trying to impress them. The book focuses on developing genuine confidence and overcoming anxiety, providing a mature and honest approach to dating and relationships by emphasizing emotional connection over superficial strategies.

Key Concepts from the Book

• Emotional Connection:
  The book frames seduction as an emotional process of connecting with women, not a logical one of impressing them.
• Authenticity:
  It encourages men to be their true selves, rather than faking behavior or emulating others to attract women.
• Overcoming Anxiety:
  Models provides guidance on how to manage nervousness and anxiety when interacting with attractive women.
• Genuine Confidence:
  The book aims to help men develop a real and joyful sense of humor and a genuine sense of self-worth.
• Root Causes of Attraction:
  It explores the underlying behaviors that lead to female attraction, offering a deeper understanding of the dynamics involved.
• Challenging Conventional Advice:
  Manson critiques typical dating advice and "pickup" theories, arguing they are often counterproductive in the long run.

Like everything else, this has one has pluses, minuses, and all points in-between. MM wasn't the first person to critique "typical dating" advice and this entire notion of being a PUA... Even back in '11, that exercise in reverse psychology had become more stale than taking the piss out of Nickleback was, by time late '05 rolled around

Talk of "authenticity" and buzzwords along those lines isn't credible:
Our most "authentic" selves is the one that rolls out of bed each morning unshaved, foul-breathed, and unwashed, picks our nose and butt in public, + Resorts to hurling out slurs, the minute we have a conflict with someone of a different skin color than ourselves. Goes without saying, behaving like that becomes less cute than close-up pics of a tumor-ridden cervix, after about 5 minutes or so

 

[eli77]

thanks for the review hope you enjoy it gonna check it out on amazon.com.

 

[plumber]

Great in theory, not so good when applied in the real world.

Alot of women and dating coaches think when men have trouble dating, connecting, having romantic relationships with women, it’s because they are manipulative, underhanded, just trying to get laid, etc, This is not the case.

Most men on Sosuave want to connect to women on an authentic and deeper level. They want to have girlfriends and or wives. The problem is, when women find this out, they are abusive and toxic towards the man. If a man opens up emotionally to a women, she will absolutely destroy him to end, All men are for women is a TOOL to meet their needs. If a man wants emotionally connection or loyalty from a woman, hed be better off buying a dog,



This is good advice IF the woman is 18 years old and a virgin. If the woman is older and some sexual experience, most of the above won’t work,

valid points. but cuts both ways.

 

[tksniper]

Mark Manson used to post at a private forum I used to belong to. Back then most guys were PUAs who had to hide behind game and techniques and manipulation. So his idea of being authentic was profound - but only within the scope of a community of former nerds who had to learn manipulation.

In the real world, most high status men don’t have any problems being their authentic high value selves. His idea of “challenging conventional advice” was just challenging PUA advice. Back then no one in the nerdy PUA community knew how the hell regular dudes seem to get laid with ease.

It’s a very low bar to set. An analogy would be you were a trauma victim who found a secret society of master manipulators. This society gave you your power back. But you were still relying on manipulation. And then someone comes out of nowhere and writes a 500 page book about how high status people don’t need to do any of these things. In the world of former trauma victims, this author is the KING.

But if you are well adjusted, you would look at it like “Yo I run this. Who is this doofus to tell me I shouldn’t be ashamed of my authentic self? My authentic self is leagues beyond the average dude.”

 

[BadBoy89]

valid points. but cuts both ways.

No it doesn’t.

A man won’t destroy a woman who opens up emotionally to him, A man won’t use a woman’s own words against her to get on her nerves. A man won’t manipulate and trick a woman to get free stuff, If a woman gives 10% effort back in a relationship, the man is happy. If a woman gives a man sex, the man is over the moon.

in 99% of cases, society takes the woman’s side, especially if she is good looking and of the age where she can get pregnant easily,

 

[BaronOfHair]

A man won’t destroy a woman who opens up emotionally to him...

Most men's refusal to "go there", if it comes down to it(Not just women, but EVERYONE)guarantees that they'll spend life settling for f-cking table scraps

 

[BaronOfHair]

In the real world, most high status men don’t have any problems being their authentic high value selves

And we rarely, if ever, reach "high status" by being our "authentic" selves: The "authentic self" is the one that acts on whatever urge or emotion comes over us at any given moment

THAT, gentleman, simply won't do. As Dave Chappelle noted many moons ago, being authentic sounds a lot sexier in the abstract

than it is in practice

 

[tksniper]

And we rarely, if ever, reach "high status" by being our "authentic" selves: The "authentic self" is the one that acts on whatever urge or emotion comes over us at any given moment

THAT, gentleman, simply won't do. As Dave Chappelle noted many moons ago, being authentic sounds a lot sexier in the abstract

than it is practice

To me, being authentic is listening to your inner voice. My inner voice tells me I need to love myself, I need to work out, I need to keep learning and mastering my craft, and I need to be the best version of myself.

Whatever “urge” or emotion that comes up is not your authentic self. That’s your reactive self. Or your socially conditioned self.

If you’ve lost your internal compass that tells you to love yourself and win in life, I don’t know what to say to you. I don’t even know if this is even possible. Without an internal voice that tells you to strive, you would simply become an NPC or get weeded out of existence.

 

[BaronOfHair]

To me, being authentic is listening to your inner voice

If you've evolved so far beyond the rest of humanity that your "inner voice" is unfailingly reliable, and never tainted by beliefs you're not even conscious of, I salute you. Like a platypus who's gained the capacity to not only levitate, but then fly around the world, you've achieved a feat heretofore unprecedented

 

[tksniper]

If you've evolved so far beyond the rest of humanity that your "inner voice" is unfailingly reliable, and never tainted by beliefs you're not even conscious of, I salute you. Like a platypus who's gained the capacity to not only levitate, but then fly around the world, you've achieved a feat heretofore unprecedented

When I’m talking to a hot girl, my reactive self is telling me to connect with her. But my authentic self is telling me “what has she done to even deserve your effort to connect?” And my urge is to try to have sex with her. And if I’m not on top of my game (not working on my career, fitness, inner game), my emotions will make me act needy.

A human being is multifaceted and all faculties are competing with one another to dominate my behavior.

So how do I know which voice is authentic? The voice that is closest to self love. Self love is the voice that makes you defend yourself in a fight, defend yourself when you are getting gaslit, defend yourself when you are getting manipulated.

This “voice” of self love is always there. Although for some people it might be faint.

 

[Sega Genesis]

To me, being authentic is listening to your inner voice. My inner voice tells me I need to love myself, I need to work out, I need to keep learning and mastering my craft, and I need to be the best version of myself.

I'm confused. Isn't what you've described^^ your "conscious self"? Including but not limited to having and achieving goals, feeling pride in your accomplishments, improving social skills and acting in ways that contribute to personal growth?

Your "inner voice" is your intuition. It's a certain feeling, a vibe (vibration), a sense, a knowing without having tangible proof... but you know.

Some people are gifted with keen perceptive abilities but developing one's intuition can be learned. Malcolm Gladwell wrote an excellent book about it entitled "Blink, the Power of Thinking without Thinking."

I don't believe one's inner voice/intuition relates to being authentic; authentic (to me) is being genuine, real, with no facades or pretentiousness.

I always follow my inner voice (as I've described), I trust it. Imo people don't listen or follow it enough!

Instead they rely on "shoulds" and/or beliefs perpetuated by society as "right" or "wrong" among other things (family influences, friends etc), which can sometimes (often even) screw them up!

JMO

 

[BaronOfHair]

Your "inner voice" is your intuition

Today, we forget that Jewel not only followed her own intuition, but encouraged us all to do so also(Apparently, our hearts would lead us in "the right direction"), back in '03

With disastrous results. And she was among the many who was promoting that approach to life at the time

It didn't pan out for most back then, and it won't do so now, for the simple fact that intuition alone ain't valuable without introspection/Viewing the universe in it's totality

 

[Sega Genesis]

for the simple fact that intuition alone ain't valuable without introspection/Viewing the universe in it's totality

That was Jewel's mistake and others who followed.

Yes absolutely introspection and viewing (and understanding) the Universe is included....and important!

Always. Goes without saying in my world.

We should all be learning, growing, evolving and understanding the role introspection and
the Universe plays is crucial!

If and when that stops, we may as well be dead.

 

[BaronOfHair]

That was Jewel's mistake and others who followed.

Tying all this into the subject of the thread: She was likely being "authentic", when taking a stab at transitioning from Lilith Fair mainstay to Pop Princess. Refusing to be "inauthentic", by not asking oneself questions such as

-"What sort of audience am I trying to attract?"

-"What's the likely ROI on securing such an audience?"

"The strategy and tactics I'm employing... Are they likely to attract my target demographic?"

Is recipe for falling straight off a cliff and into oblivion. Mark Manson has almost certainly pondered such questions several times when marketing his work. There's nothing remotely "authentic" about him