"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Michael Sartain
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Gamisch
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Nice one. He should only talk a little slower.
FlexpertHamilton
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His girl blatantly disrepected him on the Whatever podcast recently as well and all he did was give her a "oh bvtch please" look and said nothing, he looked to be in shock because it was definitely way over the top.
I'm distrustful of many of these manosphere guys. The only ones I like are Corey Wayne and Andrew Tate because they actually seem sincere. I haven't really seen Corey Wayne on podcasts though.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
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Sartain is most known for his "female friendship" angle, which I don't think makes a lot of sense for a lot of men. I don't have any platonic female friends. I have made it to middle age without female friends. I think it has been good that I've stayed out of the friend zone with a lot of women. At the same time, my lack of female friends has forced me into being a cold approacher because I don't receive social circle introductions.
Since moving to my current city, none of my male friends' girlfriends/wives have ever introduced me to a woman that has resulted in a first date. I'm not on bad terms with any of them but it's always been interesting to me that none of them have ever lifted a finger to attempt to get me a first date. None of them ever talked me up as a viable boyfriend to anyone they knew.
FlexpertHamilton
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They're not true friends, even though he seems to pretend they are. He only befriends extremely attractive model types.
I think he did claim they'd do things male friends would do such as rides from the airport, but I kind of doubt that's true for most of them. What he really intends is getting used to being around highly attractive women and not being thirsty which I do think has value.
The social proof element is the biggest benefit though as well as the fact that once women who is confident but DOESN'T have thirst, sex may naturally come at some point since it'll be very low pressure.
I did try having a female "friend" last year, after already fvcking her, but stopped trying to and told her I just wanted to be friends...lo and behold it didn't work out and she got jealous and complained I wasn't intimate enough. It just seems pointless. We did have a nice shroom trip together at least.
Why put up with all their shvt and liabilities?
Rollo can be happy that he has Michael on his side. Rollo can not talk. Listening to him hurts.
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Most of these so called experts are. A lot of them seem like incels with podcasts and books. These guys at least look somewhat normal but some of them are so ugly and at times fat that I'm sure they are incapable of what they preach.