"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I_lyke_Turtles

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first time I met her she gave me a hug and now when I see her like at the mall and stuff she says hi. i started talking to her on myspace/aim. only talked to her once, it kinda seemed like I ran out of stuff to talk about. what are ways to not get in friend zone or w/e? plz give anyother advice. also how often should I try to talk when it's not in person (texts, internet)
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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First welcome to the forums.

Anyway, id say limit the texts and stuff to retain a sense of mystery. Do lots of kino to stay out of the friend zone, and make sure you remember you are the prize she is working for when your talking. This will give you more confidence when you're talking with her.
 

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ok thanks. oh yeah it feels im running out of things to talk to. what are some like subtle things I could talk about or say to stay out of friends zone
 

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really anything that would vaguely interest a girl. Try talking about music(no emo, or hard rock. Just what ever kind shes into). Most girls know a lot about celebrities, you could search the web for jokes about them that will get them to laugh. I date a lot of girls who play lacrosse, so we talk about the differences between boys and girls lacrosse. Talk about sports, surfing, movies, anything that doesnt involve bodily functions, video games (i no dude. i dont no why girls dont like them), or previous relationships. Post more questions if you need help. The only way to lears is to ask :)
 

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oh ok. she plays field hockey. last time I talked to her was yesterday. should I wait a while to talk to her unless I see her in real life?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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i would. If she messages you or texts you carry on a conversation with her. But I wouldnt initiate a conversation for a day unless its real life. If its real liffe, by all means, go for it. Also, if you really want to stay out of the friends zone, make sure you don't do any favors for her, you want her to think of you as her man, not her guy she can use, or the guys she can vent to.

For the whole field hockey thing, my girl friend to be(ive been talking to her for a little, just got to spring the trap) plays it. A few good ideas on what to talk about whould be how much their back hurst while playing it, what position the play, etc. You could make a joke out of it and offer her one of your "world renowned massages" to help her aching back. Shell get a laugh out of it at if she agrees its great kino.
 

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repped :). i think the tone of how i talk on the internet is too "friendly" i guess more targeted to someone in the friends zone. how could I change that.
 

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this ones a little harder, because by talking on the internet and texting and stuff you lose your ability to use kino and body language to portray your domination. So when online remember:

1) Your the alpha male
2) Be funny
3) Dont be afraid to joke about making out, dating etc. The littlest hints implants things in a girl's brain and lets her imagination run wild.
4) No favors
5) No "ill be your ear you can vent into about your problems." Just say your busy and have stuff to do if she starts. Shell get the idea.
6) Remember to try to be funny
 
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