"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Messaging Game in POF

IamJosan

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Hey guys.

I'm new to POF, like 2 weeks into the site, and I've managed to get some responses back. I've gotten 4 random messages and 2 girls that actually replied back to my messages, and I've sent a number of messages out.

(1) For one of the girls I messaged I found a commonality and got her talking like that. But then I tried to go for e-mail address and got nothing back.

(2) Another girl that replied I messaged her about her heritage, she's Salvadorian, and I poked a little fun at it since I have many Salvadorian friends. It worked and I got her to respond and we exchanged a few messages. In the last message she sent me she asked me to tell a bit about myself. So I did and I haven't heard anything back.

The third one I was messaging actually messaged me first. She was pretty into me but I felt like she was playing games so I told her I don't have time for games. She didn't even wanna give me an e-mail or anything.

I think I'm doing allright with getting these girls to reply to my messages, but how can I make them talk to me outside of POF? I usually ask for e-mail or some sort of instant messaging username by like the 3rd message. Am I probably asking them too quickly?

Also, what should I do about girl 1 and 2? Your guys' help is greatly appreciated.
I'm willing to post my messages too!

(Girl 1)
Me: Hey you look really familiar? Were you at the metalfest show last Saturday? I can almost SWEAR I saw you there!
Her: i wanted to go so baad! did you have fun?
Me: It was probably the most br00tal show EVER! Seriously, I had never been so
bruised up from a show before that one. I got the air knocked out of me, got
punched in the face and even lost my shoe twice! Haha! But it was so worth it!
I can't believe you missed it. What could've possibly been more important than
metalfest?
Her: i didnt have a ride D: i wanted to go sooo baaad ): mehh well i guess you had fun haaha
did youu ever find yer poor little shoe? im going to see bmth ptv and adtr soon tho so
itll make up for itt
Me: Aww you poor thing you couldn't get a ride! Are you a loner? Where are all
your friends?
Are you kidding me? Those guys will not make up for it. This was one of the
craziest lineups EVER! And you missed it :(
But who's headlining that show with bmth ?
And yes I did find my poor lidddoo shoee hahaha. You're so kind :)
Her: nono, all my friends were busy working and school and stuff D: and meh i wanted to
go. i think bmth is headliningg, or adtr?
yayy mr shoe:)
Me: Haha you're cute. I just wanna put you in my pocket! Haha :p
Do you have google talk? Send me a message: josan.iracheta
This site takes too long. :)

*No response after that*

(girl 2)
Me:Como estamos voz? Todo bien? Haha that's my lame attempt at being salvi. What do you think? It actually sounds better in person. :) What is your favorite type of dance? Can you dance salsa? Cus if you can't then you're gonna be MY last resort! haha :)
Her: Aha funny!
So your salvadorian?
&of course I know how to dance salsa:)
Me: Actually I'm not Salvadorian but I am latino. Maybe you can guess my roots. :) I would've never thought you could dance. You look more like a hippy dancer to me, dancing over bonfires and doing crazy stuff like that! haha Well besides dancing, what else do you like to do?
Her: Oh haha well that's cool'
I'am hippyish but I got my Latin flavor ha
Well I play volleyball ,I'm studying to major
as a psychologist, dancing is my passion
But tell me a lil about yourself?
Me: That's cool I played a little volleyball in high school. I tried out for the team but unfortunately I didn't make it haha I don't wanna give out too much about myself, that would spoil all of the fun! ;) But basically I'm a musician and a skater. I play guitar and I'm a music/guitar performance major :) So you can say I'm really into music. And when I'm not playing the guitar, the piano or screaming my lungs out, I'll be out skating it up! :D So yea I'm a really passionate person.

*no response*

Is there anything I can do with these girls? And what am I doing wrong and what am I doing well.

Thanks for your feedback!
 
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“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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SteveTheDon

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ask for their # I do it all the time, then I tell them their beautiful and to send nude shots, got like 10 titt shots... then meet em and bang em, I ****ed 3 off there in 4 months, careful though most are all crazy...
 

bigneil

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I've found that if you have a good conversation with them they will volunteer their phone number and email when they are ready. Then if you don't call right away they will ask why they haven't heard from you.
 

Poonani Maker

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bigneil said:
they will volunteer their phone number and email when they are ready
I amazed at how many of them will do that. It used to not be that way..the economy?? desperate? Younger generation being more accustomed to being/using online? So many women of MY generation are still locked in the safety zone and would be hesitant to carry on a convo online, let alone divulge their #.
 

NoCommitments

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Copy & paste ur convos & I'll be able to see what you're doing right or wrong

I have very gd success getting beyond the pof/match messaging & getting #s. I nvr ask for emails. I thnk that's lame imho. I like speaking on the phone. That's where I shine. My personality on the phone always gets a date. Words can be taken the wrong way especially when ur joking around
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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IamJosan

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NoCommitments said:
Copy & paste ur convos & I'll be able to see what you're doing right or wrong

I have very gd success getting beyond the pof/match messaging & getting #s. I nvr ask for emails. I thnk that's lame imho. I like speaking on the phone. That's where I shine. My personality on the phone always gets a date. Words can be taken the wrong way especially when ur joking around
Check em out!
 
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