"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Mechanics of plate-spinning

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Hi guys,

Just read the entirety of Rollo Tomassi's blog (took a few days!) and must say it's about the best stuff I've ever read on "Game" on the internet. However, and as he himself owns, he's not big on the nitty-gritty details of carrying out Game, moreso he concentrates on the mentality behind it.

So, basically I was wondering if you guys could fill me in on the details of plate-spinning. Things like:

- how do I start? If I kiss a girl at a club and get her number, should I just text her for a date asap? Or should I focus only on F closes?
- What kind of "dates" (if that) should I set up?
- I'm wiling to be open about non-exclusivity, but how do I answer if I'm directly asked?
- any other tips and tricks?

BTW my goal is not monogamy, just to gain as many sexual experiences as I can.

Thanks guys
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Only trick you need to know about plate spinning is NEVER focus all your effort to 1 girl you should have atleast 5 #'s on your phone that you talk to on the regular some of may have as booty call some may be close.....if you **** up with 1 plate you still got 4+ more to back you up
 

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wataf said:
Only trick you need to know about plate spinning is NEVER focus all your effort to 1 girl you should have atleast 5 #'s on your phone that you talk to on the regular some of may have as booty call some may be close.....if you **** up with 1 plate you still got 4+ more to back you up
Sounds about right. It's just the communication I can't seem to grasp. I used to never take numbers after closes and now I'm starting to do it but never seem to know how to initiate communication. A lot of the trouble could be I'm usually quite drunk when I meet the girls so I'd be a different person the next time.
 

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betaphaggot said:
Sounds about right. It's just the communication I can't seem to grasp. I used to never take numbers after closes and now I'm starting to do it but never seem to know how to initiate communication. A lot of the trouble could be I'm usually quite drunk when I meet the girls so I'd be a different person the next time.


haha respect bro im quite drunk when i meet girls too, as long as you **** em right they will want to come back, no matter how different you are so get the # and start spinnin some plates!
 

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the point of spinning plates is to make sure you always have options, never get oneitis, makes you less available . These traits are great because they make you a mystery as well, perfect thing you want to achieve.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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JohnChops said:
the point of spinning plates is to make sure you always have options, never get oneitis, makes you less available . These traits are great because they make you a mystery as well, perfect thing you want to achieve.
Yeah I'm well versed on the theory behind it. Looking for practical tips.
 

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Man I am not an avid juggler, but the jist is :

(1) ensure your plates do not cross paths -- diversify.
(2) any dates you want are valid--man it's whatever YOU would like to do with them (they they will enjoy also)
(3) kisses & f-closes -- this is your call also man, if you want to kiss em go for it, if you want to F-em, go for it--some plates you may change your mind about, or some chicks you might not want to F if they are crazy or bishy. Get their number anyway you'd like -- sometimes I just wait till the right moment post-rapport building, and that usually flows. Other times I've asked upfront and barely knew her and she was down.
(4) Exclusivity--you might want to ask some others who are more experienced at juggling, but it all depends man--some chicks aren't going to want to be part of your harem and will want to get exclusive on you--other chicks will be cool with that..I always said, "I'm just not looking for anything serious now" which allows the door to stay open for sexuality/fun but also sort of hitting the breaks on "we're GF/BF now! whooopee!"

Others here can verse you in more. Start browsing the site for threads/articles on plate spinning...

BE LUCKY you are in a place where you can have a lot of plates...this town is so small I might just run into the same person 3x a day...plate spinning here is difficult!
 

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Buddha_Mind said:
Man I am not an avid juggler, but the jist is :

(1) ensure your plates do not cross paths -- diversify.
(2) any dates you want are valid--man it's whatever YOU would like to do with them (they they will enjoy also)
(3) kisses & f-closes -- this is your call also man, if you want to kiss em go for it, if you want to F-em, go for it--some plates you may change your mind about, or some chicks you might not want to F if they are crazy or bishy. Get their number anyway you'd like -- sometimes I just wait till the right moment post-rapport building, and that usually flows. Other times I've asked upfront and barely knew her and she was down.
(4) Exclusivity--you might want to ask some others who are more experienced at juggling, but it all depends man--some chicks aren't going to want to be part of your harem and will want to get exclusive on you--other chicks will be cool with that..I always said, "I'm just not looking for anything serious now" which allows the door to stay open for sexuality/fun but also sort of hitting the breaks on "we're GF/BF now! whooopee!"

Others here can verse you in more. Start browsing the site for threads/articles on plate spinning...

BE LUCKY you are in a place where you can have a lot of plates...this town is so small I might just run into the same person 3x a day...plate spinning here is difficult!
Very good advice IMO, thanks. How big is your town population wise?
 

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7K, 30miles of isolation to the next city...and it's not exactly filled with super models...if you dig chicks with big trucks and tweety bird shirts you're in business tho!
 

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Buddha_Mind said:
7K, 30miles of isolation to the next city...and it's not exactly filled with super models...if you dig chicks with big trucks and tweety bird shirts you're in business tho!
7k! That's a tough one...hang tough bro! :box:
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I live in a town of 8k and you can't fart in the shower without someone gossiping about it.
Luckily there's a major city an hour away but I am banging one local girl who has respected my request for discretion, but she got drunk the other night and started texting me how she's with her friends and my name came up.
I gently reminded her not to gossip and haven't replied to her last three messages. I'm sure she'll be back though.

The key to spinning plates is discretion. In fact, I'm rarely seen in public with my plates and I don't organise to go on dates with them.
I go to their homes for drinks or vice versa.
If I run into them out on the town, I'll acknowledge them, have a drink with them and take em home for sex, but I give no indication to anyone else in the pub that I'm "taken" for the night by being overly affectionate with them.

You have to condition them to see you as a fun guy to hang out with but one who can't ever really be nailed down outside of pre-arranged meetings. Be a challenge and don't to be too available.
I keep contact with them very sparse and escalate the communication only to organise to meet up.

I have two plates in regular rotation and see them once a week on alternate weekends only (so, every second weekend). The rest of the time, I'm unavailable.
They live in different towns so that's cool.

I have another one 1500km away but she lives with her BF and we only get to fvck about twice a year.
I have a fourth one who I really only bang every couple of months when I go out and text her drunk at 4am, and an old plate just texted me last night to say she was fighting with the guy she stopped fvcking me for and wanted to know what I was doing this weekend.
So potentially I could have five options on the table by this weekend.
All in different towns, all quite attractive and all happy to interact with me on my terms......for now. He he.
I'm sure it'll all come crashing down soon but I'm riding the wave while it lasts!
 

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Greasy Pig said:
I live in a town of 8k and you can't fart in the shower without someone gossiping about it.
Luckily there's a major city an hour away but I am banging one local girl who has respected my request for discretion, but she got drunk the other night and started texting me how she's with her friends and my name came up.
I gently reminded her not to gossip and haven't replied to her last three messages. I'm sure she'll be back though.

The key to spinning plates is discretion. In fact, I'm rarely seen in public with my plates and I don't organise to go on dates with them.
I go to their homes for drinks or vice versa.
If I run into them out on the town, I'll acknowledge them, have a drink with them and take em home for sex, but I give no indication to anyone else in the pub that I'm "taken" for the night by being overly affectionate with them.

You have to condition them to see you as a fun guy to hang out with but one who can't ever really be nailed down outside of pre-arranged meetings. Be a challenge and don't to be too available.
I keep contact with them very sparse and escalate the communication only to organise to meet up.

I have two plates in regular rotation and see them once a week on alternate weekends only (so, every second weekend). The rest of the time, I'm unavailable.
They live in different towns so that's cool.

I have another one 1500km away but she lives with her BF and we only get to fvck about twice a year.
I have a fourth one who I really only bang every couple of months when I go out and text her drunk at 4am, and an old plate just texted me last night to say she was fighting with the guy she stopped fvcking me for and wanted to know what I was doing this weekend.
So potentially I could have five options on the table by this weekend.
All in different towns, all quite attractive and all happy to interact with me on my terms......for now. He he.
I'm sure it'll all come crashing down soon but I'm riding the wave while it lasts!
Good advice, thanks
 
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